In Reply to: RE: Wadia 581iSE, the best sounding SACD player I've heard but.... posted by MC-SACDs on March 19, 2009 at 12:51:03:
"It may fool you at a low listen level. Once turn up at > 110 dB level, you will hear that a good orginal DSD recording far far better and natural...."
So unless I'm playing under 110 DB I'm not getting the benefit from SACD? As I listen with peaks about 90db it would seem that I don't need to chase any more SACD's at this stage.
With regards to the high end harmonics, a lot of speakers in room (as opposed to stated specifications) don't actually put very much out above 15kHz, let alone 50kHz so do you believe there is still benefit to be had in those circumstances?
The strongest defenders of SACD seem to totally disregard the subjective pleasure that many listeners get from RBCD. Why is this? Why are a handful of people SO defensive about formats? It strikes me that most people here will agree that a well recorded, produced and mastered SACD sounds better than the equivalent RBCD. The big problem is that unless you're mainly a classical listener the opportunities to enjoy this level of sound is limited to the extreme. Of the 40 or so discs I've purchased this year, four have been SACD's and they sound pretty good, but the ones I return to more are on RBCD as they're musically more enjoyable. Potential sound quality is only one factor in my music buying and it's fairly near the bottom.
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- RE: Wadia 581iSE, the best sounding SACD player I've heard but.... - Interested 23:27:00 03/19/09 (109)
- How many of those 4 SACDs were DSD recorded using excellent full range microphones in a REAL acoustical space? - Teresa 02:13:13 03/20/09 (108)
- Hilarious!! - Sordidman 13:01:06 03/20/09 (4)
- By your own admission you like Rock and not Classical and I only know of one DSD recorded Rock SACD - Teresa 16:59:50 03/20/09 (3)
- RE: By your own admission you like Rock and not Classical and I only know of one DSD recorded Rock SACD - Interested 19:41:25 03/20/09 (2)
- the only possible answer is "self delusion" you will of course someday realize how bad CDs sound - Teresa 20:06:00 03/20/09 (1)
- RE: the only possible answer is "self delusion" you will of course someday realize how bad CDs sound - Interested 11:57:28 03/21/09 (0)
- "gigantic" is relative - tunenut 11:32:06 03/20/09 (14)
- Personally I am NOT impressed with the sonics of the MTT's Mahler SACDs and have spoken out against them - Teresa 16:35:36 03/20/09 (1)
- RE: Personally I am NOT impressed with the sonics of the MTT's Mahler SACDs and have spoken out against them - MC-SACDs 19:58:46 03/22/09 (0)
- RE: "gigantic" is relative - MC-SACDs 15:37:00 03/20/09 (11)
- LOL - navman 16:18:33 03/20/09 (10)
- I've been thinking about something for a very long time - Teresa 16:41:30 03/23/09 (1)
- RE: Really? - navman 08:02:49 03/24/09 (0)
- You LOL at me? - MC-SACDs 20:26:08 03/22/09 (7)
- LOL - navman 13:48:20 03/23/09 (6)
- You sure choose weird things to laugh it - Teresa 16:31:32 03/23/09 (5)
- Sounding somewhat - navman 18:59:03 03/23/09 (4)
- No way! You clearly are not happy here, perhaps you would be happier posting somewhere else? - Teresa 01:48:54 03/24/09 (3)
- RE: I post in other places - navman 04:42:52 03/24/09 (2)
- Navman the problem is you and other CD trolls. - Teresa 15:11:40 03/24/09 (1)
- Nonsense - navman 16:16:16 03/24/09 (0)
- congrats ... - TBone 11:13:11 03/20/09 (1)
- You then HAVE NOT HEARD WHAT SACD and high resolution digital can do! - Teresa 16:07:13 03/20/09 (0)
- Sony's brochure was a piece of - navman 07:01:42 03/20/09 (2)
- 10 years of listening has proven Sony's goals and aims stated in their brochure to be 100% true IMHO! - Teresa 17:07:53 03/20/09 (1)
- RE: Marketing ........................................................ - navman 19:50:01 03/20/09 (0)
- It really doesn' matter if Rock and Pop record in DSD... - TommyTunes 05:35:08 03/20/09 (51)
- RE: It really doesn' matter if Rock and Pop record in DSD... - Teresa 17:26:47 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: It really doesn' matter if Rock and Pop record in DSD... - Hiro 10:13:49 03/20/09 (48)
- RE: My dear kekel from teh parallell universe. - navman 10:46:18 03/20/09 (47)
- Whatever happen's please remain calm!! - jazz1 20:24:51 03/20/09 (1)
- LOL............................. - navman 20:45:05 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: My dear kekel from teh parallell universe. - Hiro 13:06:17 03/20/09 (44)
- RE: My dear kekel from teh parallell universe. - Interested 13:48:47 03/20/09 (19)
- I totally disagree, record companies MUST spend the money for an SACD layer or they will die! - Teresa 17:49:47 03/20/09 (5)
- RE: I totally disagree, record companies MUST spend the money for an SACD layer or they will die! - Interested 19:38:16 03/20/09 (4)
- no, it is you who are totally and completely deluded. - Hiro 02:45:20 03/21/09 (0)
- RE: I totally disagree, record companies MUST spend the money for an SACD layer or they will die! - Ben Van Dyk 20:56:42 03/20/09 (0)
- If the SACD layer was added to all CDs, the majority of the public will buy - Teresa 20:24:03 03/20/09 (1)
- RE: If the SACD layer was added to all CDs, the majority of the public will buy - Interested 05:13:28 03/21/09 (0)
- RE: My dear kekel from teh parallell universe. - Hiro 14:27:39 03/20/09 (12)
- I beg to differ. - navman 14:35:35 03/20/09 (11)
- RE: I beg to differ. - Hiro 14:48:01 03/20/09 (4)
- RE: I beg to differ. - navman 16:17:05 03/20/09 (3)
- RE: I beg to differ. - Hiro 16:34:24 03/20/09 (2)
- RE: I beg to differ. - Tony Lauck 17:54:51 03/20/09 (1)
- At least my view is that - navman 20:19:40 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: I beg to differ. - Hiro 14:42:56 03/20/09 (5)
- Same with 4-5Gigs - navman 16:15:17 03/20/09 (4)
- 4,7GB (SACD) is enough for high resolution music - Hiro 16:28:59 03/20/09 (3)
- RE: Limiting. - navman 19:54:43 03/20/09 (2)
- RE: Limiting. - Hiro 02:08:46 03/21/09 (1)
- Really? - navman 04:33:23 03/21/09 (0)
- BTW - navman 13:13:16 03/20/09 (23)
- RE: BTW - Teresa 18:01:01 03/20/09 (1)
- Maybe I should sell you all of mines - navman 19:58:21 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: BTW - Hiro 13:34:43 03/20/09 (20)
- Hiro....... could you ost up your system? - navman 20:25:30 03/20/09 (7)
- RE: Hiro....... could you ost up your system? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 08:02:01 03/22/09 (6)
- I am sure I could guess at their systems. - navman 19:15:08 03/23/09 (5)
- MC-SACDs is not a troll, you are. You do know this forum is about SACD software and hardware don't you? - Teresa 02:03:49 03/24/09 (4)
- RE: MC-SACDs is not a troll, you are. You do know this forum is about SACD software and hardware don't you? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 02:15:09 03/24/09 (3)
- You are making NO SENSE WHATSOEVER, Mr. Troll. - Teresa 02:25:12 03/24/09 (2)
- Hearing vs. Claiming to hear - Tony Lauck 08:20:27 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: You are making NO SENSE WHATSOEVER, Mr. Troll. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 08:12:27 03/24/09 (0)
- Actually if you pay attention - navman 13:59:34 03/20/09 (11)
- Oxymoron alert: There is no such thing as an "SACD troll" on the Hi-Rez Highway. - Teresa 17:55:37 03/20/09 (10)
- RE: haha - navman 19:59:38 03/20/09 (9)
- It is true that SACD isn't the only Hi-Rez but the Hi-Rez Highway is ONLY for SACDs after the divide. - Teresa 01:09:13 03/21/09 (8)
- RE: Since you are so fond of repeating yourself, let me indulge too........ - navman 13:50:10 03/23/09 (7)
- You still do not understand! The ONLY Hi-Rez on the Hi-Rez Highway is SACD! - Teresa 16:28:06 03/23/09 (6)
- RE: LOL - navman 19:12:41 03/23/09 (5)
- Mr. Troll everything you said untrue of course! - Teresa 03:22:27 03/24/09 (4)
- Teresa, you need to take on another issue, why are we limited to 2.8MKz SACD the standard needs to be changed - TommyTunes 06:30:34 03/24/09 (2)
- I was a champion of "Super DVD" which used 5.6MKz DSD - Teresa 15:39:25 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: +1 - navman 08:09:40 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: Ms. Troll everything you said untrue of course! - navman 04:41:22 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: It really doesn' matter if Rock and Pop record in DSD... - navman 06:55:43 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: How many of those 4 SACDs were DSD recorded using excellent full range microphones in a REAL acoustical sp - Interested 03:14:42 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: How many of those 4 SACDs were DSD recorded using excellent full range microphones in a REAL acoustical space? - Allen Wright 02:37:22 03/20/09 (29)
- Interesting Allen, I know a lot of musical instrument overtones extend beyond 100kHz - Teresa 17:34:45 03/21/09 (1)
- RE: Interesting Allen, I know a lot of musical instrument overtones extend beyond 100kHz - Allen Wright 03:49:01 03/22/09 (0)
- RE: How many of those 4 SACDs were DSD recorded using excellent full range microphones in a REAL acoustical sp - Interested 02:57:17 03/20/09 (26)
- Not all? - Allen Wright 04:17:27 03/21/09 (25)
- RE: Not all? - Interested 01:12:17 03/22/09 (24)
- RE: Not all? - MC-SACDs 12:35:58 03/23/09 (23)
- RE: Not all? - navman 14:42:08 03/23/09 (22)
- RE: Not all? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 02:21:43 03/24/09 (3)
- I have known of and realized the benefit of ultrasonic frequencies for over 25 years. - Teresa 04:23:35 03/24/09 (0)
- OK I'm getting tired of you knocking my SACD player to other people which is very childish BTW - Teresa 03:50:04 03/24/09 (1)
- RE: OK I'm getting tired of you knocking my SACD player to other people which is very childish BTW - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:03:00 03/24/09 (0)
- here is,, to get yourself a start of education... - MC-SACDs 14:58:49 03/23/09 (17)
- wasted effort, I gave up trying to teach Navman anything, especially ultrasonic theory. - Teresa 17:02:17 03/23/09 (16)
- "Super sonic"? Wouldn't that cause a sonic boom? So good of you to educate us.....[nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:15:52 03/26/09 (0)
- Sounds that cannot be heard? - Tony Lauck 10:20:17 03/24/09 (8)
- RE: Sounds that cannot be heard? - navman 11:02:47 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: Sounds that cannot be heard? - MC-SACDs 10:44:52 03/24/09 (6)
- what a bunch of hokum - tunenut 11:30:21 03/25/09 (0)
- Tests? - Tony Lauck 12:15:15 03/24/09 (1)
- RE: Tests? - MC-SACDs 13:17:44 03/24/09 (0)
- So in essence - navman 11:11:56 03/24/09 (2)
- you are truly mad man, you need a help..... - MC-SACDs 11:21:37 03/24/09 (1)
- LOL - navman 12:52:06 03/24/09 (0)
- Unregistered Troll/sockpuppet - your opinion is immaterial. [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 08:35:06 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: wasted effort, I gave up trying to teach Navman anything, especially ultrasonic theory. - navman 08:13:19 03/24/09 (1)
- I'm speaking of years back, this is all a rerun but you have more SACD lovers to attack this time. - Teresa 15:50:30 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: wasted effort, I gave up trying to teach Navman anything, especially ultrasonic theory. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 17:35:21 03/23/09 (2)
- RE: wasted effort, I gave up trying to teach Navman anything, especially ultrasonic theory. - MC-SACDs 07:02:37 03/24/09 (1)
- RE: LOL - navman 08:49:30 03/24/09 (0)