In Reply to: RE: Wadia 581iSE, the best sounding SACD player I've heard but.... posted by Allen Wright on March 19, 2009 at 08:52:21:
Hi Allen;
You must get frustrated hearing comments from casual users about some
CD or SACD players that are "great" perhaps compared to some old poorly
(by current standards) performing players they have been using for too
many years now! Usually the postings here are about some nice brand
name players that are at a bargain price and a bit better in some aspect
or two than their previous player. Times are tough for many now, but for
true music lovers time must be taken to compare in their own system what
really sounds better, not just different! Show them what can be done.
Offer regulars to this site a 1 or 2 week use of one of your superb
recent upgrade models ( perhaps for $100 dollars ) and let them hear
how good a musical reproducer you have created---they can not go to a
local store to hear your offering and of course it is a rarity to ever
if ever to see any of your more recent upgrades listed on audiogon or
Ebay.SILLY is the nicest word I can use to describe the unbelievable
original posting that " poor CDs sound worse (with a better player)".
All experienced listeners and reviewers know the opposite is true. The
BEST PLAYERS DO NOT ADD TO OR EXAGGERATE FLAWS IN SOURCE.PERIOD!
Yes, I may seem biased as the owner now of four of your recent upgrades
but it is still true that no manufacturer of a less than $10,000 player
has been willing to submit one for my usual review process as noted in
my review articles. I do not blame them... Sincerely,
Karltoo
As fine as excellent CDs sound, even in stereo SACD is even better...
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- RE: Wadia 581iSE, the best sounding SACD player I've heard but.... - Karltoo 11:55:47 03/19/09 (133)
- Karl, I agree 100%. (nt) - Allen Wright 02:34:50 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: Wadia 581iSE, the best sounding SACD player I've heard but.... - jazz1 12:53:11 03/19/09 (0)
- RE: Wadia 581iSE, the best sounding SACD player I've heard but.... - MC-SACDs 12:51:03 03/19/09 (130)
- RE: Wadia 581iSE, the best sounding SACD player I've heard but.... - Allen Wright 02:33:46 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: Wadia 581iSE, the best sounding SACD player I've heard but.... - jazz1 23:35:45 03/19/09 (17)
- Good sound and high resolution are not necessarily the same thing. - Teresa 20:40:19 03/20/09 (1)
- That explains why SACD failed LOL! [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:03:28 03/26/09 (0)
- RE: Wadia 581iSE, the best sounding SACD player I've heard but.... - MC-SACDs 10:54:47 03/20/09 (14)
- RE: Wadia 581iSE, the best sounding SACD player I've heard but.... - jazz1 20:18:31 03/20/09 (13)
- RE: As I have said this is a - navman 20:22:49 03/20/09 (12)
- MC-SACDs is not a troll, you are. Why do you get everything backwards? - Teresa 20:26:10 03/20/09 (11)
- RE: Habit maybe? - navman 20:30:13 03/20/09 (10)
- I don't have the slightest idea? But everything MC-SACDs has said so far makes perfect sense to me. - Teresa 20:44:30 03/20/09 (9)
- RE: By all means go ahead and try to get - navman 20:47:27 03/20/09 (8)
- I can augment SACD but they haven't invented anything worthy to move on to yet. - Teresa 02:41:09 03/21/09 (1)
- RE: I can augment SACD but they haven't invented anything worthy to move on to yet. - navman 12:08:22 03/21/09 (0)
- RE: By all means go ahead and try to get - Hiro 01:50:20 03/21/09 (5)
- RE: By all means go ahead and try to get - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 07:50:13 03/22/09 (4)
- I'm sure he means the second definition not the first in which case there's room for billions! - Teresa 08:53:48 03/23/09 (1)
- RE: I'm sure he means the second definition not the first in which case there's room for billions! - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:50:52 03/23/09 (0)
- Or maybe - navman 19:02:35 03/22/09 (1)
- I agree. Probably even wear the same....socks? [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 04:49:43 03/25/09 (0)
- RE: Wadia 581iSE, the best sounding SACD player I've heard but.... - Interested 23:27:00 03/19/09 (109)
- How many of those 4 SACDs were DSD recorded using excellent full range microphones in a REAL acoustical space? - Teresa 02:13:13 03/20/09 (108)
- Hilarious!! - Sordidman 13:01:06 03/20/09 (4)
- By your own admission you like Rock and not Classical and I only know of one DSD recorded Rock SACD - Teresa 16:59:50 03/20/09 (3)
- RE: By your own admission you like Rock and not Classical and I only know of one DSD recorded Rock SACD - Interested 19:41:25 03/20/09 (2)
- the only possible answer is "self delusion" you will of course someday realize how bad CDs sound - Teresa 20:06:00 03/20/09 (1)
- RE: the only possible answer is "self delusion" you will of course someday realize how bad CDs sound - Interested 11:57:28 03/21/09 (0)
- "gigantic" is relative - tunenut 11:32:06 03/20/09 (14)
- Personally I am NOT impressed with the sonics of the MTT's Mahler SACDs and have spoken out against them - Teresa 16:35:36 03/20/09 (1)
- RE: Personally I am NOT impressed with the sonics of the MTT's Mahler SACDs and have spoken out against them - MC-SACDs 19:58:46 03/22/09 (0)
- RE: "gigantic" is relative - MC-SACDs 15:37:00 03/20/09 (11)
- LOL - navman 16:18:33 03/20/09 (10)
- I've been thinking about something for a very long time - Teresa 16:41:30 03/23/09 (1)
- RE: Really? - navman 08:02:49 03/24/09 (0)
- You LOL at me? - MC-SACDs 20:26:08 03/22/09 (7)
- LOL - navman 13:48:20 03/23/09 (6)
- You sure choose weird things to laugh it - Teresa 16:31:32 03/23/09 (5)
- Sounding somewhat - navman 18:59:03 03/23/09 (4)
- No way! You clearly are not happy here, perhaps you would be happier posting somewhere else? - Teresa 01:48:54 03/24/09 (3)
- RE: I post in other places - navman 04:42:52 03/24/09 (2)
- Navman the problem is you and other CD trolls. - Teresa 15:11:40 03/24/09 (1)
- Nonsense - navman 16:16:16 03/24/09 (0)
- congrats ... - TBone 11:13:11 03/20/09 (1)
- You then HAVE NOT HEARD WHAT SACD and high resolution digital can do! - Teresa 16:07:13 03/20/09 (0)
- Sony's brochure was a piece of - navman 07:01:42 03/20/09 (2)
- 10 years of listening has proven Sony's goals and aims stated in their brochure to be 100% true IMHO! - Teresa 17:07:53 03/20/09 (1)
- RE: Marketing ........................................................ - navman 19:50:01 03/20/09 (0)
- It really doesn' matter if Rock and Pop record in DSD... - TommyTunes 05:35:08 03/20/09 (51)
- RE: It really doesn' matter if Rock and Pop record in DSD... - Teresa 17:26:47 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: It really doesn' matter if Rock and Pop record in DSD... - Hiro 10:13:49 03/20/09 (48)
- RE: My dear kekel from teh parallell universe. - navman 10:46:18 03/20/09 (47)
- Whatever happen's please remain calm!! - jazz1 20:24:51 03/20/09 (1)
- LOL............................. - navman 20:45:05 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: My dear kekel from teh parallell universe. - Hiro 13:06:17 03/20/09 (44)
- RE: My dear kekel from teh parallell universe. - Interested 13:48:47 03/20/09 (19)
- I totally disagree, record companies MUST spend the money for an SACD layer or they will die! - Teresa 17:49:47 03/20/09 (5)
- RE: I totally disagree, record companies MUST spend the money for an SACD layer or they will die! - Interested 19:38:16 03/20/09 (4)
- no, it is you who are totally and completely deluded. - Hiro 02:45:20 03/21/09 (0)
- RE: I totally disagree, record companies MUST spend the money for an SACD layer or they will die! - Ben Van Dyk 20:56:42 03/20/09 (0)
- If the SACD layer was added to all CDs, the majority of the public will buy - Teresa 20:24:03 03/20/09 (1)
- RE: If the SACD layer was added to all CDs, the majority of the public will buy - Interested 05:13:28 03/21/09 (0)
- RE: My dear kekel from teh parallell universe. - Hiro 14:27:39 03/20/09 (12)
- I beg to differ. - navman 14:35:35 03/20/09 (11)
- RE: I beg to differ. - Hiro 14:48:01 03/20/09 (4)
- RE: I beg to differ. - navman 16:17:05 03/20/09 (3)
- RE: I beg to differ. - Hiro 16:34:24 03/20/09 (2)
- RE: I beg to differ. - Tony Lauck 17:54:51 03/20/09 (1)
- At least my view is that - navman 20:19:40 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: I beg to differ. - Hiro 14:42:56 03/20/09 (5)
- Same with 4-5Gigs - navman 16:15:17 03/20/09 (4)
- 4,7GB (SACD) is enough for high resolution music - Hiro 16:28:59 03/20/09 (3)
- RE: Limiting. - navman 19:54:43 03/20/09 (2)
- RE: Limiting. - Hiro 02:08:46 03/21/09 (1)
- Really? - navman 04:33:23 03/21/09 (0)
- BTW - navman 13:13:16 03/20/09 (23)
- RE: BTW - Teresa 18:01:01 03/20/09 (1)
- Maybe I should sell you all of mines - navman 19:58:21 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: BTW - Hiro 13:34:43 03/20/09 (20)
- Hiro....... could you ost up your system? - navman 20:25:30 03/20/09 (7)
- RE: Hiro....... could you ost up your system? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 08:02:01 03/22/09 (6)
- I am sure I could guess at their systems. - navman 19:15:08 03/23/09 (5)
- MC-SACDs is not a troll, you are. You do know this forum is about SACD software and hardware don't you? - Teresa 02:03:49 03/24/09 (4)
- RE: MC-SACDs is not a troll, you are. You do know this forum is about SACD software and hardware don't you? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 02:15:09 03/24/09 (3)
- You are making NO SENSE WHATSOEVER, Mr. Troll. - Teresa 02:25:12 03/24/09 (2)
- Hearing vs. Claiming to hear - Tony Lauck 08:20:27 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: You are making NO SENSE WHATSOEVER, Mr. Troll. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 08:12:27 03/24/09 (0)
- Actually if you pay attention - navman 13:59:34 03/20/09 (11)
- Oxymoron alert: There is no such thing as an "SACD troll" on the Hi-Rez Highway. - Teresa 17:55:37 03/20/09 (10)
- RE: haha - navman 19:59:38 03/20/09 (9)
- It is true that SACD isn't the only Hi-Rez but the Hi-Rez Highway is ONLY for SACDs after the divide. - Teresa 01:09:13 03/21/09 (8)
- RE: Since you are so fond of repeating yourself, let me indulge too........ - navman 13:50:10 03/23/09 (7)
- You still do not understand! The ONLY Hi-Rez on the Hi-Rez Highway is SACD! - Teresa 16:28:06 03/23/09 (6)
- RE: LOL - navman 19:12:41 03/23/09 (5)
- Mr. Troll everything you said untrue of course! - Teresa 03:22:27 03/24/09 (4)
- Teresa, you need to take on another issue, why are we limited to 2.8MKz SACD the standard needs to be changed - TommyTunes 06:30:34 03/24/09 (2)
- I was a champion of "Super DVD" which used 5.6MKz DSD - Teresa 15:39:25 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: +1 - navman 08:09:40 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: Ms. Troll everything you said untrue of course! - navman 04:41:22 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: It really doesn' matter if Rock and Pop record in DSD... - navman 06:55:43 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: How many of those 4 SACDs were DSD recorded using excellent full range microphones in a REAL acoustical sp - Interested 03:14:42 03/20/09 (0)
- RE: How many of those 4 SACDs were DSD recorded using excellent full range microphones in a REAL acoustical space? - Allen Wright 02:37:22 03/20/09 (29)
- Interesting Allen, I know a lot of musical instrument overtones extend beyond 100kHz - Teresa 17:34:45 03/21/09 (1)
- RE: Interesting Allen, I know a lot of musical instrument overtones extend beyond 100kHz - Allen Wright 03:49:01 03/22/09 (0)
- RE: How many of those 4 SACDs were DSD recorded using excellent full range microphones in a REAL acoustical sp - Interested 02:57:17 03/20/09 (26)
- Not all? - Allen Wright 04:17:27 03/21/09 (25)
- RE: Not all? - Interested 01:12:17 03/22/09 (24)
- RE: Not all? - MC-SACDs 12:35:58 03/23/09 (23)
- RE: Not all? - navman 14:42:08 03/23/09 (22)
- RE: Not all? - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 02:21:43 03/24/09 (3)
- I have known of and realized the benefit of ultrasonic frequencies for over 25 years. - Teresa 04:23:35 03/24/09 (0)
- OK I'm getting tired of you knocking my SACD player to other people which is very childish BTW - Teresa 03:50:04 03/24/09 (1)
- RE: OK I'm getting tired of you knocking my SACD player to other people which is very childish BTW - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 09:03:00 03/24/09 (0)
- here is,, to get yourself a start of education... - MC-SACDs 14:58:49 03/23/09 (17)
- wasted effort, I gave up trying to teach Navman anything, especially ultrasonic theory. - Teresa 17:02:17 03/23/09 (16)
- "Super sonic"? Wouldn't that cause a sonic boom? So good of you to educate us.....[nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 10:15:52 03/26/09 (0)
- Sounds that cannot be heard? - Tony Lauck 10:20:17 03/24/09 (8)
- RE: Sounds that cannot be heard? - navman 11:02:47 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: Sounds that cannot be heard? - MC-SACDs 10:44:52 03/24/09 (6)
- what a bunch of hokum - tunenut 11:30:21 03/25/09 (0)
- Tests? - Tony Lauck 12:15:15 03/24/09 (1)
- RE: Tests? - MC-SACDs 13:17:44 03/24/09 (0)
- So in essence - navman 11:11:56 03/24/09 (2)
- you are truly mad man, you need a help..... - MC-SACDs 11:21:37 03/24/09 (1)
- LOL - navman 12:52:06 03/24/09 (0)
- Unregistered Troll/sockpuppet - your opinion is immaterial. [nt] - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 08:35:06 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: wasted effort, I gave up trying to teach Navman anything, especially ultrasonic theory. - navman 08:13:19 03/24/09 (1)
- I'm speaking of years back, this is all a rerun but you have more SACD lovers to attack this time. - Teresa 15:50:30 03/24/09 (0)
- RE: wasted effort, I gave up trying to teach Navman anything, especially ultrasonic theory. - chris.redmond2@bushinternet.com 17:35:21 03/23/09 (2)
- RE: wasted effort, I gave up trying to teach Navman anything, especially ultrasonic theory. - MC-SACDs 07:02:37 03/24/09 (1)
- RE: LOL - navman 08:49:30 03/24/09 (0)
- Great post and great analogy! (;-) nt - Teresa 18:08:33 03/19/09 (0)