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In Reply to: Oh, I don't know...can you recognise your own mother's voice, without resorting to a DBT to make certain? :-) posted by Methos on January 27, 2004 at 16:37:03:
Methos:You write: "But, why is it that you're always here on the Highway demanding such proof, but never on the Audiobahn?"
I'm afraid my time is heavily mortgaged, one venue being quite sufficient. This thread achieves a certain cathartic effect by allowing me to play the iconoclast in a world of true believers. Besides, I feel the love here to a degree I've yet to encounter elsewhere.
I'm an hour from Indianapolis, if you have occasion to be in the area sometime I'd like to see you back up your claims. Despite my inability to distinguish a difference, I remain open minded on this subject. All I require is a bit of empirical proof. Fair enough?
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - Dalton 10:34:22 01/26/04 (191)
- A cat chasing it's tail - BobH 21:59:30 01/27/04 (4)
- Wow Is Back - Robertc88 09:33:28 01/28/04 (3)
- BTW, I took my own advice... - tunenut 13:34:16 01/28/04 (2)
- So Far, Utilizing Inmate Recommendations - Robertc88 02:36:33 01/29/04 (1)
- can't beat libraries... - tunenut 09:22:18 01/29/04 (0)
- Re: So - stvnharr 10:19:45 01/27/04 (0)
- Wait a minute... - Steve Parry 23:25:14 01/26/04 (1)
- Exactly What I Was Thinking - Robertc88 16:01:11 01/27/04 (0)
- Sincere and heartfelt - Congratulations - DkB 23:08:27 01/26/04 (28)
- Congratulations to you as well... - rebop 14:19:37 01/27/04 (26)
- Very sorry.... - DkB 23:55:39 01/27/04 (25)
- Typical Snob - morinix 21:47:47 01/29/04 (11)
- No amount of tuning is going to make an 128kb/s MP3 file sing like an LP -nt - theaudiohobby 08:43:49 01/30/04 (6)
- McCartney and Armstrong don't sound the same either - morinix 10:05:50 01/30/04 (5)
- that's a copout -nt - theaudiohobby 10:53:38 01/30/04 (4)
- Not at all - morinix 12:59:28 01/30/04 (3)
- Re: Not at all - theaudiohobby 14:22:54 01/30/04 (2)
- Re: Not at all - morinix 17:01:47 01/30/04 (1)
- Re: Not at all - theaudiohobby 01:02:02 01/31/04 (0)
- "Component level tuning and voicing the actives makes ANY format sing" - Methos 06:51:16 01/30/04 (3)
- Re: "Component level tuning and voicing the actives makes ANY format sing" - morinix 08:23:55 01/30/04 (2)
- I was hoping for more specifics, if you don't mind sharing. nt - Methos 09:00:31 01/30/04 (1)
- Re: I was hoping for more specifics, if you don't mind sharing. nt - morinix 10:11:00 01/30/04 (0)
- Sorry too... - rebop 07:18:19 01/28/04 (11)
- Not really...... - Chris Garrett 17:59:04 01/28/04 (1)
- Re: Not really...... - rebop 07:48:26 01/30/04 (0)
- Absolute Statement - DkB 17:33:03 01/28/04 (0)
- What Recordings Are You Comparing? - Robertc88 09:19:11 01/28/04 (7)
- Re: What Recordings Are You Comparing? - rebop 11:41:11 01/28/04 (0)
- The quality gap is wider for classical recordings - Caymus 11:32:26 01/28/04 (5)
- Its not just a gap, its a Chasm! - DkB 19:44:01 01/28/04 (4)
- Re: Its not just a gap, its a Chasm! - theaudiohobby 20:31:52 01/29/04 (3)
- In The Same Boat - Robertc88 02:38:34 01/30/04 (2)
- Re: In The Same Boat - theaudiohobby 06:16:53 01/30/04 (1)
- You Think SACD Is A Better Resource - Robertc88 15:18:30 01/30/04 (0)
- hence my new signature line - theaudiohobby 06:00:33 01/28/04 (0)
- Hee, hee, hee - Records R Black 11:55:04 01/27/04 (0)
- Re: This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - clubmyke 22:52:02 01/26/04 (2)
- Why can't you play the CD layer of hybrids in cars ? - oscar 06:12:24 01/27/04 (1)
- I can do both. (nt) - jnr 08:25:26 01/27/04 (0)
- I've also read of people who hear very little to differentiate between SACD and well-done CD.... - oscar 19:30:09 01/26/04 (0)
- Re: This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - svisner 17:13:51 01/26/04 (4)
- About That Mahler SACD - Robertc88 02:36:35 01/27/04 (2)
- Re: About That Mahler SACD - svisner 04:33:15 01/27/04 (1)
- That Was My Next Stop - Robertc88 16:06:07 01/27/04 (0)
- "badly mixed recordings can't be saved by any format" - Metralla 17:58:49 01/26/04 (0)
- Belles 350A !? - px>h 17:13:21 01/26/04 (5)
- Belles: >> But upstairs . . . too much haze and mist for jazz and classical << -- Oh really? . . . - Martin , 05:56:23 01/27/04 (4)
- ..another "get a better system" post.., nah just use a boombox! - px>h 06:38:08 01/27/04 (3)
- OK, Take a look at yours . . . - Martin , 10:35:20 01/27/04 (2)
- Re: OK, Take a look at yours . . . - Chris Garrett 14:53:03 01/27/04 (0)
- Re: OK, Take a look at yours . . . - px>h 10:42:16 01/27/04 (0)
- So what are you going to do... - Jim Treanor 16:54:28 01/26/04 (0)
- Bravo! Now do the same for other unproven audiophile myths - Caymus 15:56:24 01/26/04 (5)
- Sensible comment, but how unbalanced are we to ...... - John C. - Aussie 17:19:14 01/26/04 (4)
- Re: Sensible comment, but how unbalanced are we to ...... - Skeptic 18:00:32 01/26/04 (3)
- That was my question too! - Metralla 18:07:35 01/26/04 (2)
- Re: That was my question too! - John C. - Aussie 19:14:48 01/26/04 (1)
- Re: That was my question too! - Max 01:30:18 01/27/04 (0)
- What I Do Feel Is A Much Better Bang For Buck - Robertc88 15:19:02 01/26/04 (0)
- I Reiterate - One QB, No Controversy!! - Robertc88 14:52:16 01/26/04 (0)
- Agree. SACD vs CD: minimal improvement in a poor or excellent ballance systm, greater imprvmt in a regular/popular systm - yingwang 14:39:27 01/26/04 (1)
- Can you elaborate further on your comments? - jeromelang 17:09:44 01/26/04 (0)
- Generally speaking.....you are RIGHT!!!! - Audio Pharaoh 14:37:22 01/26/04 (1)
- You said it!!!!nt - Guss2 18:26:57 01/26/04 (0)
- Refreshing to read such an honest post ..... - John C. - Aussie 14:17:50 01/26/04 (49)
- John C.'s comment re. vinyl sums it up for me, viz. ... - Feanor 09:17:46 01/30/04 (0)
- Re: Refreshing to read such an honest post ..... - Christine Tham 16:46:49 01/26/04 (12)
- Scary - Robertc88 02:22:02 01/27/04 (3)
- Re: Scary - Christine Tham 02:41:52 01/27/04 (2)
- Rega P3 - Robertc88 16:23:36 01/27/04 (1)
- Re: Rega P3 - Christine Tham 18:34:01 01/27/04 (0)
- Thanks for the suggestion but ..... - John C. - Aussie 17:03:49 01/26/04 (7)
- would love to listen to your system one day :-) (nt) - Christine Tham 18:26:46 01/26/04 (6)
- Easily fixed - come & visit Tassie :-)) nt - John C. - Aussie 19:35:24 01/26/04 (5)
- we just might - maybe around easter or so!!! (nt) - Christine Tham 20:42:10 01/26/04 (4)
- Great!!! Contact details & a map are ...... - John C. - Aussie 20:56:56 01/26/04 (3)
- Do you find difficulties in getting all these gears in TAS ? (nt) - akltam 05:12:01 01/27/04 (2)
- Yes, but .... - John C. - Aussie 13:10:07 01/27/04 (1)
- Re: Yes, but .... - akltam 18:30:30 01/28/04 (0)
- Fantastic room and grounds! (nt) - Skeptic 16:38:17 01/26/04 (1)
- Thanks - retirement is kind to us (nt) - John C. - Aussie 17:00:30 01/26/04 (0)
- Re: Refreshing to read such an honest post ..... - regmac 14:39:02 01/26/04 (1)
- Thanks for a mature reply - John C. - Aussie 14:50:25 01/26/04 (0)
- Curious why you think his view is more "honest" - Records R Black 14:32:29 01/26/04 (30)
- I get nervous when terms like "non-believer" come up... - rebop 13:01:44 01/27/04 (2)
- Re: I get nervous when terms like "non-believer" come up... - Records R Black 13:44:06 01/27/04 (1)
- Re: I get nervous when terms like "non-believer" come up... - rebop 07:40:16 01/28/04 (0)
- Re: Curious why you think his view is more "honest" - John C. - Aussie 14:44:10 01/26/04 (26)
- Don't agree that I was "emotional" - Records R Black 14:59:10 01/26/04 (25)
- Re: Don't agree that I was "emotional" - regmac 15:44:49 01/26/04 (23)
- wasted years - tunenut 10:18:05 01/27/04 (0)
- Of course there's a vast right-wing conspiracy (long) - Records R Black 07:42:13 01/27/04 (21)
- Re: Of course there's a vast right-wing conspiracy (long) - regmac 11:25:33 01/27/04 (20)
- Hey, how about a friendly mention for us Christian fundamentalists as well??? - honshued 14:15:36 01/27/04 (1)
- Re: Hey, how about a friendly mention for us Christian fundamentalists as well??? - rich121 19:36:57 01/27/04 (0)
- My grasp of the obvious is complete, and you are quite the enlightened poster - Records R Black 11:48:31 01/27/04 (17)
- Re: My grasp of the obvious is complete, and you are quite the enlightened poster - regmac 12:44:34 01/27/04 (16)
- By the way, to see evidence of my "snit" toward Dalton, - Records R Black 13:51:20 01/27/04 (0)
- Catholic/Islam, did you get that right? and "no one's ears should be believed" - Records R Black 13:27:11 01/27/04 (5)
- Re: Catholic/Islam, did you get that right? and "no one's ears should be believed" - regmac 13:55:13 01/27/04 (4)
- is that your standard response whenever you are backed into a corner? - Christine Tham 18:04:36 01/27/04 (3)
- Re: is that your standard response whenever you are backed into a corner? - regmac 07:21:51 01/28/04 (2)
- Mind if I change my moniker to Solipsism or just Solipsis? nt - honshued 15:32:17 01/28/04 (0)
- "The line is applicable to anyone who writes much and says little." - tunenut 14:01:46 01/28/04 (0)
- '"mid-fi" SACD players are incapable of rendering a sonic improvement over conventional CD.' - Methos 13:24:16 01/27/04 (8)
- Re: '"mid-fi" SACD players are incapable of rendering a sonic improvement over conventional CD.' - regmac 16:05:52 01/27/04 (7)
- Oh, I don't know...can you recognise your own mother's voice, without resorting to a DBT to make certain? :-) - Methos 16:37:03 01/27/04 (6)
- Re: Oh, I don't know...can you recognise your own mother's voice, without resorting to a DBT to make certain? :-) - regmac 07:36:39 01/28/04 (5)
- Yes, I'd enjoy that, regmac...should I bring my player along, as well? - Methos 09:07:11 01/28/04 (4)
- Re: Yes, I'd enjoy that, regmac...should I bring my player along, as well? - regmac 13:55:53 01/28/04 (3)
- Not according to Stereo Review. Their panel couldn't detect the 'tighter bass' in a DBT. nt - Methos 16:30:39 01/28/04 (2)
- Re: Not according to Stereo Review. Their panel couldn't detect the 'tighter bass' in a DBT. nt - regmac 17:55:26 01/28/04 (1)
- Julian rarely admitted to hearing a difference between two components, except maybe speakers and cartridges... - Methos 15:59:19 01/29/04 (0)
- LOL. Peace returns - John C. - Aussie 15:34:36 01/26/04 (0)
- You are kidding, are you not? - Skeptic 14:16:56 01/26/04 (0)
- At issue is hearing acuity, to each his/her own. (nt) - pann 14:10:43 01/26/04 (0)
- My recent sacd players have closed the gap between cds and sacds for some cds - Norm 13:28:18 01/26/04 (11)
- Re: My recent sacd players have closed the gap between cds and sacds for some cds - Walter 06:05:03 01/27/04 (1)
- I am playing dvdas, dads, sacds, and cds all through the Exemplar/Denonn 2900 - Norm 07:59:27 01/27/04 (0)
- Really? DVD-As sound fine to me ... - Christine Tham 14:14:50 01/26/04 (8)
- That dvda is the only one that sounds good. nt - Norm 20:40:04 01/26/04 (7)
- How Many Have You Tried? - Robertc88 02:28:03 01/27/04 (6)
- I have 12 now, mainly classical - Norm 06:25:08 01/27/04 (5)
- Not my impression when dvd-a are compared to cd - Walter 05:30:38 01/29/04 (0)
- ahh ... i understand now ... - Christine Tham 11:43:00 01/27/04 (3)
- Not Thrilled - Robertc88 16:32:12 01/27/04 (2)
- You haven't heard . . . - Martin , 07:37:21 01/28/04 (1)
- More Now For Me To Pursue - Robertc88 02:41:59 01/29/04 (0)
- "Rock music" .... possibly explains your view. - Dr. Philosophy 13:08:17 01/26/04 (3)
- Sorry, but I think the Stones and Dylan disc are some of best for hearing the difference, and it's a big difference. - jnr 14:55:47 01/26/04 (2)
- Its no contest on any level of system <nt> - Walter 05:34:37 01/29/04 (0)
- Agreed nt - honshued 16:39:24 01/26/04 (0)
- Re: This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - Retsel 13:05:21 01/26/04 (4)
- Re: This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - Records R Black 13:55:40 01/26/04 (3)
- Re: This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - Retsel 14:31:05 01/26/04 (2)
- Re: This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - jimmyjames 12:50:33 01/26/04 (0)
- the P.S. seems to be less than completely serious... - tunenut 12:35:48 01/26/04 (4)
- Unfortunately, chumming for sharks on the internet never goes out of style (nt) - Dave Kingsland 17:24:23 01/26/04 (0)
- Bzzzz...bzzz nt - Methos 13:01:57 01/26/04 (2)
- Stop it. You're giving me hives. (nt) - Jim Treanor 14:38:35 01/26/04 (1)
- So sorry. I suppose it's back to the drudgery of being a worker bee for moi, then. nt - Methos 15:16:31 01/26/04 (0)
- Re: This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - theaudiohobby 12:33:42 01/26/04 (0)
- Well, different strokes I guess. - Audiophilander 12:22:26 01/26/04 (0)
- I thought I wouldn't post on this agian but I must (long) - jnr 11:55:00 01/26/04 (0)
- Re: This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - John B 11:45:10 01/26/04 (0)
- Consider the source media when evaluating any Hi-Res C Ds.. - Dad 11:39:09 01/26/04 (0)
- can you sell your SACDs to me? - Christine Tham 11:35:08 01/26/04 (1)
- I need them more than you - jeromelang 18:15:18 01/26/04 (0)
- SACD vs CD - Bobby_N 11:15:27 01/26/04 (0)
- Have you heard the Stones and Dylan SACDs? - Records R Black 11:11:31 01/26/04 (0)
- Re: This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - Robert C. Lang 10:55:09 01/26/04 (16)
- "No way" may be an overstatement. - Jim Treanor 14:30:32 01/26/04 (0)
- Re: This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - Jazz Inmate 11:16:00 01/26/04 (14)
- Re: This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - Retsel 13:20:59 01/26/04 (4)
- Hill Auditorium - Records R Black 14:07:07 01/26/04 (3)
- Re: Hill Auditorium - Retsel 14:40:06 01/26/04 (2)
- Re: Hill Auditorium - Records R Black 14:43:57 01/26/04 (1)
- Re: Hill Auditorium - Retsel 16:13:51 01/26/04 (0)
- Re: This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - regmac 13:05:29 01/26/04 (0)
- Re: This is very difficult for me to admit, but.... - Robert C. Lang 11:50:54 01/26/04 (6)
- Let's go to Yoshi's together and see if we can get the semantics down. - jnr 12:09:55 01/26/04 (2)
- Re: Let's go to Yoshi's together and see if we can get the semantics down. - Robert C. Lang 21:29:01 01/26/04 (0)
- I'd rather go on a "field trip" to Paco de Lucia - Jazz Inmate 12:39:09 01/26/04 (0)
- But Robert - Jazz Inmate 12:09:51 01/26/04 (2)
- Re: But Robert - Robert C. Lang 21:43:36 01/26/04 (0)
- I really agree about the Mono recordings, they sound great to me.(nt) - jnr 12:33:42 01/26/04 (0)
- i agree with robert - Christine Tham 11:30:40 01/26/04 (0)
- I make those comparisons regularly, and SACD always wins. - Methos 10:47:52 01/26/04 (3)
- It's so obvious I don't even waste my time anymore. (nt) - JCS 02:49:06 01/27/04 (0)
- ditto that (nt) - Jazz Inmate 10:50:08 01/26/04 (1)
- me too. - oldmkvi 18:04:28 01/26/04 (0)
- Don't quit without... - px>h 10:46:35 01/26/04 (0)
- "What a waste of the last three years of my life" - Metralla 10:45:49 01/26/04 (15)
- Re: "What a waste of the last three years of my life" - Dalton 11:31:32 01/26/04 (13)
- The XA777ES Is One Helluva CD Player! - Robertc88 15:01:07 01/26/04 (4)
- One word - modified - Metralla 18:22:21 01/26/04 (3)
- Ditto....Mods are the BEST thing in audio in a very long time.. - Audio Pharaoh 03:58:54 01/27/04 (2)
- Re: Ditto....Mods are the BEST thing in audio in a very long time.. - bIRD MAN 11:06:33 01/27/04 (1)
- Great !.......further observations.. - Audio Pharaoh 12:22:57 01/27/04 (0)
- That seems like pretty nice stuff, do you get the A/V receiver TOTALLY out of the chain for stereo listening? nt - Methos 12:40:32 01/26/04 (7)
- Yes, the Denon is out of the chain for stereo. - Dalton 12:50:18 01/26/04 (6)
- :) [nt] - Ted Smith 13:39:21 01/26/04 (1)
- Right. Are you SURE the Belles can't see the Denon, 'e might be peeking?! nt - Methos 15:19:14 01/26/04 (0)
- Try making your comparisons with classical and acoustic music. - Methos 12:54:44 01/26/04 (3)
- Re: Try making your comparisons with classical and acoustic music. - theaudiohobby 13:27:45 01/26/04 (2)
- Re: Try making your comparisons with classical and acoustic music. - JoneEG 14:43:06 01/26/04 (1)
- Re: Try making your comparisons with classical and acoustic music. - theaudiohobby 15:34:06 01/26/04 (0)
- Most of the naysayers don't have systems posted. nt - Methos 10:49:51 01/26/04 (0)
Follow Ups
- Re: Oh, I don't know...can you recognise your own mother's voice, without resorting to a DBT to make certain? :-) - regmac 07:36:39 01/28/04 (5)
- Yes, I'd enjoy that, regmac...should I bring my player along, as well? - Methos 09:07:11 01/28/04 (4)
- Re: Yes, I'd enjoy that, regmac...should I bring my player along, as well? - regmac 13:55:53 01/28/04 (3)
- Not according to Stereo Review. Their panel couldn't detect the 'tighter bass' in a DBT. nt - Methos 16:30:39 01/28/04 (2)
- Re: Not according to Stereo Review. Their panel couldn't detect the 'tighter bass' in a DBT. nt - regmac 17:55:26 01/28/04 (1)
- Julian rarely admitted to hearing a difference between two components, except maybe speakers and cartridges... - Methos 15:59:19 01/29/04 (0)
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