The September, 2003 edition of "Production Partner", a German magazine for studio technology (http://www.production-partner.de), has a fairly interesting interview with Rainer Maillard, head of the recording service department of Emil Berliner Studios (http://www.emil-berliner-studios.com). They do most classical recordings for Universal's Deutsche Grammophon label, and also seem to be owned by Deutsche Grammophon.For two of the most recent SACD productions of DG, the studio did a parallel recording in DSD and PCM (96/24) technology, and made extensive comparisons between the two digital audio formats. One of these recordings is the SACD production of Gustav Mahler's 2nd symphony, played by the Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra, directed by Gilbert Kaplan.
If you have this SACD, you may have noticed that be booklet says: recorded in PCM 96 kHz/24 bit.As I find this interview quite interesting, I have tried to translate those parts relevant to the never-ending SACD- vs. DVD-Audio/PCM discussion. Here we go:
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[About audible differences]
"When comparing the parallel recordings [i.e. DSD vs. PCM], several things need to be considered. One example: when I compared the main microphone [tracks] of the Mahler Surround Production in DSD and PCM, there was a notable difference. Later I discovered that the sensitivity of the D/A converters in conjunction with the monitoring unit had a certain tolerance, which was about 0.3 to 0.6 dB. When playing back through five speakers, this was audible. After adjusting the levels of all channels, the difference was practically inaudible."[About blind tests]
"We did A/B/X blind tests, which again and again without mercy showed the difference between reality and imagination. To most of our colleagues and guests it was impossible to notice a difference and thus make a judgment. I think that's a positive result. It shows that DSD is positioned on a very high quality level."[About parameters for high end recordings]
"The question is not about format. To produce a high end audio recording, completely different parameters have to be considered. How do I select musicians, recording venue, instruments, positioning, microphones, cables, converters, mixing desk, outboard equipment etc.? How do I combine these elements? If I move a microphone just one inch from it's location, the differences will be greater [than between DSD and PCM]. I could hire a different piano tuner, then it will sound different again, or change the room temperature. To me that's fascinating."[About DSD's impulse reproduction]
"Because DSD uses 64x oversamling as compared to the CD, measurement results for impulse reproduction are very good. But such a measurement signal will hardly ever be encountered in practice. "[About DSD artefacts]
"A one bit data stream by itself has a s/n ratio of only 6 dB. This noise energy, by means of noise shaping, can be moved into a frequency range where it no longer interferes. As a result, you get good s/n ratios of about 120 dB in the human hearing range. We took a closer look at the increasing noise above 20 kHz, and we are not sure if this noise can be seen as an artefact or effect, possibly even as a positive sound effect. [...] One very revealing experiment was playing back a 30 kHz sine wave with varispeed at one tenth of the original speed. By using this trick, you can hear the artefacts at 3 kHz, which otherwise wouldn't be audible to us. Here, a difference between DSD and PCM showed itself, and this also can be measured."[About archive media]
"With regard to our archive, the answer [derived from these experiments] is clear: on a master recording, there is no place for noise, as it cannot be removed later. So we have decided to use high resolution PCM with 96 or 192 kHz sampling rate as our archive medium."**********
Mathias
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Topic - DSD vs. PCM tests at Universal's Emil Berliner Studios - Mathias Myka 05:12:11 10/01/03 (45)
- Re: DSD vs. PCM tests at Universal's Emil Berliner Studios - brandon.bayer@sympatico.ca 11:57:38 10/03/03 (0)
- Re: DSD vs. PCM tests at Universal's Emil Berliner Studios - ukexpat 05:57:09 10/02/03 (1)
- you might want to look back at 2002 archives... - tunenut 10:02:39 10/02/03 (0)
- Have you even heard how BAD a Deutsche Grammaphon recording actually sounds? - Teresa 00:17:24 10/02/03 (1)
- Re: So true! nt - patrickU 11:15:31 10/02/03 (0)
- Absolutely huge erection after reading these words. . . - Plush 08:12:34 10/01/03 (33)
- Go take a shower, we are talking about Deutsche Grammophon here! (nt) - Teresa 23:19:08 10/02/03 (0)
- Others find the opposite and/or differences - Ric Schultz 11:38:43 10/01/03 (31)
- some more - Ric Schultz 12:28:58 10/01/03 (30)
- Samsung - Joe Murphy Jr 14:18:45 10/01/03 (0)
- Luckily... - Frank 13:52:16 10/01/03 (19)
- Hype? - Ric Schultz 14:24:36 10/01/03 (9)
- Yes, - Frank. 14:33:35 10/01/03 (8)
- boy have you changed your story - tunenut 16:28:21 10/01/03 (2)
- No, - Frank. 23:04:44 10/01/03 (1)
- so your real answer is "yes" - tunenut 09:28:32 10/02/03 (0)
- Please describe! - Ric Schultz 15:03:32 10/01/03 (4)
- Re: Please describe! - Frank. 00:44:16 10/02/03 (1)
- suggestion for a new market - tunenut 09:35:00 10/02/03 (0)
- Re: Please describe! - Dave Kingsland 21:40:17 10/01/03 (1)
- Exactly! - Ric Schultz 00:23:46 10/02/03 (0)
- Which Telarc releases will be blessed with this 'feature', Frank? - Methos 13:55:11 10/01/03 (8)
- Not Sennheiser but Neumann Solution-D Digital Microphone <nt> - Frank 14:18:25 10/01/03 (7)
- Neumann is Sennheiser! nt - Plush 10:09:18 11/08/03 (0)
- I've owned about 90% of Telarc's SACD and that microphone was not listed, a lot of "tubed" microphones were such - Teresa 00:32:19 10/02/03 (5)
- no one is making anything up. . . - Plush 10:10:34 11/08/03 (0)
- Methos & Teresa, a simple web search can be your friend... - applejack 17:40:31 10/02/03 (3)
- Wow I sold my SACD player just in the nick of time! Oh My Gawd PCM micrcophones used in DSD recordings! - Teresa 23:16:02 10/02/03 (0)
- Why should I eat crow? I never stated that these mikes weren't used. - Methos 21:14:21 10/02/03 (1)
- Pardon me... - applejack 22:27:15 10/02/03 (0)
- Re: some more - John Kotches 13:32:41 10/01/03 (8)
- Yes. that's why I'm dumping my amp/preamp combo for an old 25-watt Pioneer receiver... - Methos 13:52:08 10/01/03 (7)
- Many of these audiophile designed units... - Frank. 14:23:57 10/01/03 (2)
- Ahh, but Stereo Review 'proved' that the otl tube amp was indistinguishable from the Pioneer... - Methos 14:49:41 10/01/03 (1)
- The crux is... - Frank. 14:58:01 10/01/03 (0)
- Re: Yes. that's why I'm dumping my amp/preamp combo for an old 25-watt Pioneer receiver... - John Kotches 14:16:59 10/01/03 (3)
- Hmmmm. - Ric Schultz 14:54:21 10/01/03 (2)
- Re: Hmmmm. - John 09:19:54 10/02/03 (0)
- Re: Hmmmm. - Frank. 15:03:56 10/01/03 (0)
- Re: DSD vs. PCM tests at Universal's Emil Berliner Studios - Tony 07:26:11 10/01/03 (0)
- "on a master recording, there is no place for noise" - Frank. 05:29:04 10/01/03 (4)
- sorry for the translation - Mathias Myka 07:21:10 10/01/03 (3)
- Re: No apologies necessary - John Kotches 07:50:12 10/01/03 (2)
- Kidding? - Frank. 10:39:53 10/01/03 (1)
- Re: Kidding? - John Kotches 11:36:07 10/01/03 (0)