As I expected, the whole thing degenerated into semantics--they both hear differences in equipment, but Kreuger and his army of trained listeners not so much as Atkinson and his untutored faceplate-peekers. It was so bad I was embarrassed for both of them, and prayed for the thing to be turned over to the crowd for questions--boy, was I ever wrong! What a boring crowd! Mathematicians, music teachers, logical positivists... "Mr.Krueger, as a nuclear physicist, I would like to know the basic suppositions behind your postulations... " Please, somebody give me a gun and an alibi. We're talking about toys here. We all wandered in and out of the rooms on the ninth and tenth floors and heard the same speakers with different electronics and the differences were gargantuan. And a guy who compares equipment by playing the sound of keys dropping on a table is telling me it's all wishful thinking? Just drag the guy up there and make him listen. Play something in the goddamn seminar room! Powerpoint? Couldn't they get a fucking stereo in there? Wait, no, we're already listening to a dozen different setups playing in the background because the "room" was only a set of black curtains. Not a total loss, though. There was some pretty good sound coming from the Joule-Electra/Merlin room, real ballsy with startling bass and fortissimos that just kept on going with zero breakup or strain. Very impressive. The JMLabs Utopias had great sound, too, but I expect that from $50,000 speakers and probably $100,000 worth of electronics, so no awards for engineering mettle there. Blue Circle/Focus had an interesting room, too, incredibly transparent and musical, and not afraid to play gritty blues guitar on their system instead of another close-miked, whispering "female vocalist". Since when did "female vocals" become a genre anyway? Why aren't the Spice Girls "female vocalists?" How about Cher? And what about "male vocalists?" Why doesn't anyone ever admit to listening to them? Or do we just consider male vocalists "music" while females form some special category that transcends (or sinks beneath) genre? Anyway, the music was much more interesting this time. And Rebop won't be surprised that I bought about $300 worth of "crummy music for audiophiles".
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Topic - Atkinson-Krueger a non-event. - SalD 18:01:46 04/29/05 (70)
- And the winner... - E-Stat 13:08:42 05/04/05 (1)
- Re: And the winner... - bjh 22:13:50 05/04/05 (0)
- Show sound - jbmcb 14:27:22 05/01/05 (0)
- Not surprising ... - mkuller 13:56:47 04/30/05 (59)
- Re: Not surprising ... - john curl 23:38:06 04/30/05 (58)
- It's well established... - Jim Austin 04:16:06 05/02/05 (56)
- misleading rhetoric - Pat D 08:01:54 05/02/05 (45)
- Hypocritical rhetoric - John Atkinson 16:50:49 05/02/05 (14)
- Re: Hypocritical rhetoric - Pat D 11:58:00 05/03/05 (3)
- Re: Hypocritical rhetoric - John Atkinson 14:53:41 05/03/05 (1)
- Re: Hypocritical rhetoric - Pat D 08:19:57 05/04/05 (0)
- I think you are missing a key point. - Jim Austin 12:02:05 05/03/05 (0)
- Re: Hypocritical rhetoric - LarryB 06:53:58 05/03/05 (1)
- Re: Hypocritical rhetoric - Pat D 10:12:53 05/04/05 (0)
- Re: Hypocritical rhetoric - kerr 18:35:16 05/02/05 (7)
- Senses have nothing to do with it..... - Lynn 18:55:37 05/02/05 (6)
- Re: Senses have nothing to do with it..... - kerr 05:47:12 05/03/05 (1)
- Re: Senses have nothing to do with it..... - bjh 07:30:50 05/03/05 (0)
- A test may be blind but that doesn't mean it's scientific - John Atkinson 03:45:38 05/03/05 (3)
- Here's what I find interesting... - kerr 05:52:15 05/03/05 (2)
- Re: Here's what I find interesting... - Pat D 11:41:29 05/03/05 (1)
- Re: Here's what I find interesting... - kerr 14:02:13 05/03/05 (0)
- "DBTs do them, some magazines" Which ones? - bjh 16:38:15 05/02/05 (12)
- Sensible Sound, The Audio Critic - Pat D 11:29:23 05/03/05 (11)
- Sensible Sound... - mkuller 17:24:21 05/03/05 (8)
- But isn't Noussaine - E-Stat 05:11:29 05/04/05 (7)
- Circumstantial ad hominem - Pat D 08:43:32 05/04/05 (6)
- The danger of "arguing by credentials" - John Atkinson 16:56:58 05/04/05 (4)
- Re: The danger of "arguing by credentials" - Pat D 08:21:24 05/05/05 (2)
- Tom Nousaine... - mkuller 10:43:57 05/05/05 (1)
- Re: Tom Nousaine... - Pat D 17:33:51 05/05/05 (0)
- referring not to me - drclark 19:42:45 05/04/05 (0)
- Evidently you've never read his gripping reviews! - E-Stat 10:28:30 05/04/05 (0)
- Re: Sensible Sound, The Audio Critic - bjh 16:47:35 05/03/05 (1)
- Re: Sensible Sound, The Audio Critic - kerr 19:30:36 05/03/05 (0)
- Parlor games and tricks... - mkuller 11:35:57 05/02/05 (9)
- Re: Parlor games and tricks... - Pat D 11:43:57 05/03/05 (1)
- You already responded to that post! nt - bjh 11:02:23 05/04/05 (0)
- Who Cares? - jamesgarvin 11:20:58 05/03/05 (2)
- Because it offends their religious beliefs--and some are desperate to save your soul. nt - markrohr 05:27:14 05/08/05 (0)
- Apparently a lot of folks do... - mkuller 11:37:58 05/03/05 (0)
- That's a perfect description of many sighted listening comparisons. (nt) - Pat D 12:49:25 05/02/05 (3)
- Yes, neither is perfect since... - mkuller 10:40:04 05/03/05 (2)
- Re: Yes, neither is perfect since... - Pat D 09:28:59 05/04/05 (0)
- I'm done with this topic! - kerr 14:11:01 05/03/05 (0)
- I like DBTs - Jim Austin 09:51:46 05/02/05 (6)
- Re: I like DBTs - Pat D 11:46:22 05/03/05 (4)
- The difficulties are not statistical - Jim Austin 12:04:15 05/03/05 (3)
- Re: The difficulties are not statistical - Pat D 10:24:11 05/04/05 (2)
- A closed mind is a terrible thing to waste...or something like that..(nt) - mkuller 14:31:57 05/04/05 (1)
- I see: for you, asking for evidence is equivalent to having a closed mind! - Pat D 19:21:50 05/04/05 (0)
- Re: I like DBTs - rbolaw 13:41:02 05/02/05 (0)
- DBTs Passing Pre-Mature.... - Lynn 07:09:07 05/02/05 (9)
- Re: DBTs Passing Pre-Mature.... - john curl 10:26:18 05/02/05 (7)
- Interesting... - Lynn 18:30:11 05/02/05 (6)
- Re: Interesting... - john curl 20:04:52 05/02/05 (5)
- Re: Interesting... - Lynn 20:19:12 05/02/05 (4)
- Re: Interesting... - rcrump 09:59:34 05/03/05 (2)
- Re: Interesting... - Lynn 10:49:31 05/03/05 (1)
- Thanks and note CTC works in a DBT Free Zone (nt) - rcrump 11:03:34 05/03/05 (0)
- Re: Interesting... - john curl 00:20:12 05/03/05 (0)
- Re: DBTs Passing Pre-Mature.... - Jim Austin 07:12:37 05/02/05 (0)
- "Maybe Jim Austin should jump on [JA]" Touche! nt - clarkjohnsen 11:17:26 05/01/05 (0)
- Re: Atkinson-Krueger a non-event. - acres verde 11:17:26 04/30/05 (0)
- Leave Cher out of it. - Elmo 07:50:28 04/30/05 (3)
- FPM.... - tcain 10:58:26 04/30/05 (2)
- If you guys really like bubble gum... - SalD 11:08:22 04/30/05 (1)
- Saccharine pop is my middle name. - Elmo 06:19:32 05/01/05 (0)
- Agreed that... - Steven R. Rochlin 07:38:38 04/30/05 (1)
- Re: Agreed that... - Pat D 12:05:04 05/03/05 (0)