In Reply to: RE: Recent and future amplifier measurements posted by John Atkinson on November 8, 2015 at 04:45:38:
The method of testing audio power amplifiers is invalid because it does not simulate the way amplifiers are used in the real world Connecting the output to a 8, 4, or 2 ohm resistor is a walk in the park compared to what amplifiers really face. For example, to get speaker FR close to flat, most loudspeakers use very complex crossover networks that are highly reactive, not purely resistive. Look at the impedance measurements of YG Acoustics Sonja 1.1 and 1.3. The 1.1 has a reactive load that varies from 90 degrees capacitive in the bass to 33 degrees inductive in the treble, a very difficult load for any amplifier. To get that capacitive, the woofer must have had one humongous capacitor across its voice coil to filter out high frequencies. The 1.3 is better but even there you reported that of the three very expensive amplifiers you had, the best of them costing $44,000 had problems with it. The other factor is reverse EMF especially from woofers. Energy stored in the mechanical suspension as potential energy at its greatest point of excursion on each half cycle is converted back to electrical energy as it travels back through its zero crossing point. This generates a voltage that bucks the amplifier. Depending on the amplifier's power supply this can alter the bias voltage applied to the active devices.
What do these factors alter? Potentially everything including FR and non linear distortion, even short term stability. Exotic wires with highly reactive characteristics only make matters worse. This can easily be seen on an oscilloscope by looking at the output with a square wave input and observing the change in the waveform shape when a speaker is connected. This is why amplifiers that seem to measure about the same on a test bench sound different from each other.
Why are these measurements used? They are a legacy handed down from early times like the 1930s and 1940s when differences between amplifiers were so huge and the loads so simple that the tests showed meaningful differences. But those tests lost their value with time and tell us very little about real worth anymore. Unfortunately no one has bothered to invent better tests that are sensitive to meaningful differences in actual use. Therefore the measurements we do get are of little value.
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- RE: Recent and future amplifier measurements - MarkJohns 07:59:37 11/09/15 (27)
- RE: Recent and future amplifier measurements - pictureguy 13:35:21 11/10/15 (2)
- RE: Recent and future amplifier measurements - MarkJohns 08:42:49 11/11/15 (1)
- RE: Recent and future amplifier measurements and active eq - A.Wayne 04:55:40 11/12/15 (0)
- Well Said.....Thank You-nT - Cleantimestream 06:05:41 11/10/15 (0)
- Why are these measurements used? - kuribo 14:53:37 11/09/15 (4)
- RE: Why are these measurements used? - DrChaos 20:43:44 11/09/15 (3)
- RE: Why are these measurements used? - E-Stat 07:02:10 11/10/15 (0)
- Agreed! I have made the comment that distortion below audibility is not important several times... - kuribo 06:00:54 11/10/15 (0)
- RE: Why are these measurements used? - mkuller 20:52:42 11/09/15 (0)
- RE: Recent and future amplifier measurements - MarkJohns 11:28:44 11/09/15 (16)
- Are you aware the output filter in most better class d amps is part of the feedback loop and thus their - kuribo 14:45:20 11/09/15 (15)
- RE: Are you aware the output filter in most better class d amps is part of the feedback loop and thus their - pictureguy 14:48:04 11/09/15 (14)
- RE: Are you aware the output filter in most better class d amps is part of the feedback loop and thus their - MarkJohns 07:05:58 11/10/15 (5)
- Read Bruno Putseys' paper on the use of negative feedback. Read the review of the Bel Canto linked above, - kuribo 13:25:35 11/10/15 (0)
- RE: Are you aware the output filter in most better class d amps is part of the feedback loop and thus their - pictureguy 09:27:56 11/10/15 (3)
- RE: Are you aware the output filter in most better class d amps is part of the feedback loop and thus their - A.Wayne 11:01:59 11/10/15 (2)
- RE: Are you aware the output filter in most better class d amps is part of the feedback loop and thus their - pictureguy 12:52:55 11/10/15 (1)
- RE: Are you aware the output filter in most better class d amps is part of the feedback loop and thus their - E-Stat 17:22:33 11/10/15 (0)
- What "effect" are you referring to? nt - kuribo 14:59:54 11/09/15 (7)
- RE: What "effect" are you referring to? nt - pictureguy 16:19:54 11/09/15 (6)
- Really? - kuribo 16:41:07 11/09/15 (5)
- RE: Really? - pictureguy 17:07:18 11/09/15 (4)
- LINEAR phase shift - BigguyinATL 13:59:36 11/10/15 (0)
- Cherry picking? - kuribo 18:41:35 11/09/15 (2)
- RE: Cherry picking? - pictureguy 20:04:45 11/09/15 (1)
- RE: Cherry picking? - kuribo 06:04:10 11/10/15 (0)
- I've been railing abou this for years. - Ralph 11:04:00 11/09/15 (0)