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In Reply to: RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers posted by Doug Schneider on August 20, 2015 at 08:49:12:
Again reviewers are not posting measurements to help us design a product.
The reviewer is saying that this group of measurements can tell you what a component will sound like. Nonsense. Only listening to a product in your listening room will tell you whether it is for you. I love tubes, vinyl and ladder dacs. They all measure poorly yet most people who hear my system say it is the best they have ever heard.
Alan
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Measurements vs. Reviewers - mark.korda@myfairpoint.net 10:07:49 08/18/15 (143)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - MarkJohns 11:29:03 09/01/15 (0)
- What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - morricab 02:06:04 08/24/15 (7)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - Dave_K 05:11:33 08/25/15 (0)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - John Atkinson 03:58:01 08/24/15 (5)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - MarkJohns 16:00:26 09/07/15 (2)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - morricab 13:48:06 09/08/15 (1)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - MarkJohns 17:33:19 09/08/15 (0)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - A.Wayne 08:28:43 08/24/15 (1)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - morricab 13:34:04 08/27/15 (0)
- article on the Zanzibar Fallacy? - Timbo in Oz 13:33:59 08/20/15 (0)
- Going beyond just measurements - morricab 14:08:20 08/19/15 (4)
- RE: Going beyond just measurements - hahax@verizon.net 20:28:18 08/19/15 (3)
- RE: Going beyond just measurements - morricab 00:18:07 08/21/15 (2)
- RE: Going beyond just measurements - hahax@verizon.net 09:18:27 08/21/15 (1)
- Using mono sources - E-Stat 10:34:17 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Peter Breuninger 13:36:22 08/19/15 (36)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - John Atkinson 04:16:10 08/20/15 (8)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - MarkJohns 06:53:56 09/09/15 (1)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - MarkJohns 08:44:55 09/09/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - A.Wayne 05:28:02 08/20/15 (5)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - John Atkinson 07:27:00 08/23/15 (4)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - MarkJohns 07:41:15 09/09/15 (3)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers, ported vs sealed - A.Wayne 13:20:24 09/09/15 (2)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers, ported vs sealed - MarkJohns 14:59:44 09/09/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers, ported vs sealed - A.Wayne 13:48:23 09/09/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 20:31:36 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - mkuller 15:56:33 08/19/15 (10)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 04:52:44 08/20/15 (8)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - ahendler 19:00:42 08/20/15 (4)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 09:20:47 08/21/15 (3)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - E-Stat 16:59:14 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - A.Wayne 11:27:01 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 09:27:37 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 08:33:04 08/20/15 (2)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 08:49:12 08/20/15 (1)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - ahendler 19:06:25 08/20/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - A.Wayne 16:11:42 08/19/15 (0)
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe agrees with you - John Marks 14:43:32 08/19/15 (14)
- Didn't you say you were going to change your name? - MarkJohns 16:06:57 08/28/15 (3)
- The Feds objected... - John Marks 07:32:28 08/29/15 (2)
- RE: The Feds objected... - MarkJohns 09:12:27 08/31/15 (0)
- RE: The Feds objected... - A.Wayne 08:31:34 08/29/15 (0)
- we evolved and still are evolving. - Timbo in Oz 13:19:44 08/20/15 (1)
- RE: "measurements and listening are a pair" -- Zackly! (nt) - goldenthal 15:55:45 09/10/15 (0)
- RE: Johann Wolfgang von Goethe agrees with you - Peter Breuninger 15:02:47 08/19/15 (7)
- I don't go as far as you do, but I am more in agreement than not - John Marks 15:45:54 08/19/15 (6)
- Agree that in-room response matters the most, but the Silent Speaker is a special case - Brian H P 10:57:07 08/21/15 (1)
- IIRC JA could not use it against wall, and neither could I! - John Marks 17:15:08 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: I don't go as far as you do, but I am more in agreement than not - Dave_K 15:59:27 08/20/15 (3)
- Yes, but your last point should be a non-issue with Wilson Benesch's 5kHz crossover point nt - John Marks 06:47:55 08/21/15 (2)
- True, it doesn't explain the Square One result - Dave_K 08:44:11 08/21/15 (1)
- Yes, it is a puzzlement - John Marks 17:16:06 08/21/15 (0)
- Get with the program Mark - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 10:35:26 08/19/15 (1)
- "be careful what you wish for."...... - wangmr 11:24:56 08/20/15 (0)
- Audio Note - Bromo33333 10:14:08 08/19/15 (1)
- Ears + brain measure everything, equipment + room + everything else - Frihed89 23:05:29 08/22/15 (0)
- Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - Frihed89 09:54:44 08/19/15 (10)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - hahax@verizon.net 20:39:00 08/19/15 (9)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - oranda 16:15:17 08/21/15 (1)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - hahax@verizon.net 18:11:42 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - Frihed89 12:50:10 08/20/15 (6)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - hahax@verizon.net 16:13:45 08/20/15 (0)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - A.Wayne 13:06:48 08/20/15 (4)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - hahax@verizon.net 16:18:37 08/20/15 (3)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - John Atkinson 16:21:59 08/23/15 (1)
- I've always wondered who hahax was... - Peter Breuninger 04:57:01 09/08/15 (0)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - A.Wayne 19:01:09 08/20/15 (0)
- The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - Ralph 08:52:41 08/19/15 (21)
- RE: The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - Poinzy 14:14:01 08/19/15 (3)
- RE: The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - b.l.zeebub 15:23:54 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - Ralph 15:08:11 08/19/15 (1)
- That's where Meridian's MQA comes in (nt) - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 16:27:21 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - hahax@verizon.net 09:32:12 08/19/15 (16)
- RE: The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - ahendler 19:11:44 08/20/15 (1)
- RE: The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - hahax@verizon.net 19:58:22 08/20/15 (0)
- Fooling yourself... - mkuller 11:39:01 08/19/15 (11)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - hahax@verizon.net 20:41:17 08/19/15 (9)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - mkuller 20:45:00 08/19/15 (8)
- +1 (nt) - 4everyoung 10:30:05 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - hahax@verizon.net 08:37:52 08/20/15 (6)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - mkuller 10:00:18 08/20/15 (5)
- And such things - E-Stat 14:26:01 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - hahax@verizon.net 16:23:17 08/20/15 (3)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - mkuller 11:06:29 08/21/15 (2)
- RE: Fooling yourself...err Not - A.Wayne 11:16:02 08/21/15 (1)
- Still Fooling yourself... - mkuller 12:48:54 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - b.l.zeebub 15:24:57 08/19/15 (0)
- I certainly agree, but at the same time we need better measurements! - Ralph 10:59:50 08/19/15 (1)
- RE: I certainly agree, but at the same time we need better measurements! - hahax@verizon.net 20:47:41 08/19/15 (0)
- Meaningful explanations... - c1ferrari 17:48:48 08/18/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 13:24:07 08/18/15 (50)
- RE:thanks for your contribution [n.t.a.] - wangmr 11:29:15 08/20/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Pat D 11:38:34 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 20:38:52 08/18/15 (44)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 21:54:37 08/18/15 (43)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 04:59:00 08/19/15 (42)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - E-Stat 15:13:56 08/19/15 (12)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - rick_m 18:56:34 08/20/15 (11)
- And yet... - E-Stat 05:26:43 08/21/15 (8)
- RE: And yet... - rick_m 09:12:24 08/21/15 (7)
- RE: And yet... - josh358 16:23:37 08/27/15 (4)
- RE: And yet... - A.Wayne 07:43:04 08/28/15 (3)
- RE: And yet... - josh358 14:11:19 08/28/15 (2)
- RE: And yet...height is important when not fixed .... - A.Wayne 16:15:24 08/28/15 (1)
- RE: And yet...height is important when not fixed .... - josh358 06:45:12 08/29/15 (0)
- RE: And yet...yet , yet - A.Wayne 11:13:40 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: And yet... - E-Stat 09:19:50 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - ahendler 19:19:32 08/20/15 (1)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - rick_m 20:01:07 08/20/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Dave_K 09:44:14 08/19/15 (4)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 20:54:21 08/19/15 (3)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Dave_K 05:10:28 08/20/15 (2)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - A.Wayne 05:55:25 08/20/15 (1)
- "worthy" is the key word - Dave_K 08:55:46 08/20/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers not mutually exclusive - A.Wayne 06:28:07 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 05:05:41 08/19/15 (22)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - mark.korda@myfairpoint.net 06:30:01 08/19/15 (1)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 09:27:42 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 06:20:09 08/19/15 (19)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - ahendler 19:27:27 08/20/15 (1)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 09:28:38 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 06:30:58 08/19/15 (16)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 09:29:16 08/19/15 (14)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 13:38:37 08/19/15 (13)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Peter Breuninger 14:01:11 08/19/15 (12)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - MarkJohns 14:24:18 09/07/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - b.l.zeebub 23:15:04 08/19/15 (8)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 08:44:24 08/20/15 (6)
- I don't see why they couldn't use acoustic measurement tools - Dave_K 13:09:19 08/20/15 (5)
- RE: I don't see why they couldn't use acoustic measurement tools - hahax@verizon.net 16:26:40 08/20/15 (4)
- Disagree - Dave_K 08:38:28 08/21/15 (3)
- RE: Disagree - hahax@verizon.net 09:31:39 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Disagree - A.Wayne 08:56:35 08/21/15 (1)
- LOL - Dave_K 03:12:21 08/22/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 04:45:31 08/20/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 18:19:17 08/19/15 (1)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers, serious mags only - A.Wayne 20:17:45 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - b.l.zeebub 06:52:50 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Jive Turkey 17:38:05 08/18/15 (0)
- Doug, - your article is awesome!! - Sordidman 14:36:57 08/18/15 (1)
- RE: Doug, - your article is awesome!! - Doug Schneider 15:45:17 08/18/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - ahendler 11:05:30 08/18/15 (1)
- Do some "bad" measurements consistently sound good? - Brian H P 11:46:09 08/18/15 (0)
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- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - ahendler 19:06:25 08/20/15 (0)
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