In Reply to: Measurements vs. Reviewers posted by mark.korda@myfairpoint.net on August 18, 2015 at 10:07:49:
I am 100% in the subjective loudspeaker evaluation group. Measurements are mandatory for designing loudspeakers, only.Each of us comes to loudspeaker evaluation with a set of lifetime listening biases. I watched with a smile inside as a fellow reviewer measured my loudspeakers at my home. To me it was preposterous to think that a microphone 6 to 12 inches from the front baffle of the loudspeaker and a computer program would correlate to what I hear in the listening room, let alone describe what the loudspeakers actually sound like to "me".
It is my belief that when a loudspeaker is designed properly (by mathematics, CAD design, science and listening experiences) it is up to the listener to evaluate the speaker, not a microphone or computer. This is a human endeavor, listening to music and fine audio equipment.
Measurements have no business in *reviewing* loudspeakers. Waterfall charts are meaningless, anechoic chamber measurements are useless, do you live in one of these chambers? Each of our listening rooms is so different and measure as such that we need the critical ear of the reviewer or experienced listener to cut through the room bias and report on the perceived result.
I totally dismiss loudspeaker reviews that are based upon measurements, and you should too. Amplifiers? That's a different ballgame.
Peter B.
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- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe agrees with you - John Marks 14:43:32 08/19/15 (14)
- Didn't you say you were going to change your name? - MarkJohns 16:06:57 08/28/15 (3)
- The Feds objected... - John Marks 07:32:28 08/29/15 (2)
- RE: The Feds objected... - MarkJohns 09:12:27 08/31/15 (0)
- RE: The Feds objected... - A.Wayne 08:31:34 08/29/15 (0)
- we evolved and still are evolving. - Timbo in Oz 13:19:44 08/20/15 (1)
- RE: "measurements and listening are a pair" -- Zackly! (nt) - goldenthal 15:55:45 09/10/15 (0)
- RE: Johann Wolfgang von Goethe agrees with you - Peter Breuninger 15:02:47 08/19/15 (7)
- I don't go as far as you do, but I am more in agreement than not - John Marks 15:45:54 08/19/15 (6)
- Agree that in-room response matters the most, but the Silent Speaker is a special case - Brian H P 10:57:07 08/21/15 (1)
- IIRC JA could not use it against wall, and neither could I! - John Marks 17:15:08 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: I don't go as far as you do, but I am more in agreement than not - Dave_K 15:59:27 08/20/15 (3)
- Yes, but your last point should be a non-issue with Wilson Benesch's 5kHz crossover point nt - John Marks 06:47:55 08/21/15 (2)
- True, it doesn't explain the Square One result - Dave_K 08:44:11 08/21/15 (1)
- Yes, it is a puzzlement - John Marks 17:16:06 08/21/15 (0)