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In Reply to: RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers posted by hahax@verizon.net on August 19, 2015 at 04:59:00:
Listening and measuring is not mutually exclusive , its actually the only way to do a proper review of anything, ideally i would like to see a second subjective opinion on a product but of course this would require more time and expense and deadlines being what they are maynot be possible.40 yrs of hearing what others think sound great and scratching ones head have me heading to the measurements before reading any reviews , only those whom i have a personal interactive audio relationship with would i put any weight into their opinions and only because you get to know each others biases and Idiosyncrasies over time .
Alot can be gleaned from proper measurements at the very least is amplifier compatibility and possible room interactions ..Regards
Edits: 08/19/15
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- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - MarkJohns 11:29:03 09/01/15 (0)
- What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - morricab 02:06:04 08/24/15 (7)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - Dave_K 05:11:33 08/25/15 (0)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - John Atkinson 03:58:01 08/24/15 (5)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - MarkJohns 16:00:26 09/07/15 (2)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - morricab 13:48:06 09/08/15 (1)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - MarkJohns 17:33:19 09/08/15 (0)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - A.Wayne 08:28:43 08/24/15 (1)
- RE: What to make of John Marks review of the WB Square One? - morricab 13:34:04 08/27/15 (0)
- article on the Zanzibar Fallacy? - Timbo in Oz 13:33:59 08/20/15 (0)
- Going beyond just measurements - morricab 14:08:20 08/19/15 (4)
- RE: Going beyond just measurements - hahax@verizon.net 20:28:18 08/19/15 (3)
- RE: Going beyond just measurements - morricab 00:18:07 08/21/15 (2)
- RE: Going beyond just measurements - hahax@verizon.net 09:18:27 08/21/15 (1)
- Using mono sources - E-Stat 10:34:17 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Peter Breuninger 13:36:22 08/19/15 (36)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - John Atkinson 04:16:10 08/20/15 (8)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - MarkJohns 06:53:56 09/09/15 (1)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - MarkJohns 08:44:55 09/09/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - A.Wayne 05:28:02 08/20/15 (5)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - John Atkinson 07:27:00 08/23/15 (4)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - MarkJohns 07:41:15 09/09/15 (3)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers, ported vs sealed - A.Wayne 13:20:24 09/09/15 (2)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers, ported vs sealed - MarkJohns 14:59:44 09/09/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers, ported vs sealed - A.Wayne 13:48:23 09/09/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 20:31:36 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - mkuller 15:56:33 08/19/15 (10)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 04:52:44 08/20/15 (8)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - ahendler 19:00:42 08/20/15 (4)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 09:20:47 08/21/15 (3)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - E-Stat 16:59:14 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - A.Wayne 11:27:01 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 09:27:37 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 08:33:04 08/20/15 (2)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 08:49:12 08/20/15 (1)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - ahendler 19:06:25 08/20/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - A.Wayne 16:11:42 08/19/15 (0)
- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe agrees with you - John Marks 14:43:32 08/19/15 (14)
- Didn't you say you were going to change your name? - MarkJohns 16:06:57 08/28/15 (3)
- The Feds objected... - John Marks 07:32:28 08/29/15 (2)
- RE: The Feds objected... - MarkJohns 09:12:27 08/31/15 (0)
- RE: The Feds objected... - A.Wayne 08:31:34 08/29/15 (0)
- we evolved and still are evolving. - Timbo in Oz 13:19:44 08/20/15 (1)
- RE: "measurements and listening are a pair" -- Zackly! (nt) - goldenthal 15:55:45 09/10/15 (0)
- RE: Johann Wolfgang von Goethe agrees with you - Peter Breuninger 15:02:47 08/19/15 (7)
- I don't go as far as you do, but I am more in agreement than not - John Marks 15:45:54 08/19/15 (6)
- Agree that in-room response matters the most, but the Silent Speaker is a special case - Brian H P 10:57:07 08/21/15 (1)
- IIRC JA could not use it against wall, and neither could I! - John Marks 17:15:08 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: I don't go as far as you do, but I am more in agreement than not - Dave_K 15:59:27 08/20/15 (3)
- Yes, but your last point should be a non-issue with Wilson Benesch's 5kHz crossover point nt - John Marks 06:47:55 08/21/15 (2)
- True, it doesn't explain the Square One result - Dave_K 08:44:11 08/21/15 (1)
- Yes, it is a puzzlement - John Marks 17:16:06 08/21/15 (0)
- Get with the program Mark - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 10:35:26 08/19/15 (1)
- "be careful what you wish for."...... - wangmr 11:24:56 08/20/15 (0)
- Audio Note - Bromo33333 10:14:08 08/19/15 (1)
- Ears + brain measure everything, equipment + room + everything else - Frihed89 23:05:29 08/22/15 (0)
- Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - Frihed89 09:54:44 08/19/15 (10)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - hahax@verizon.net 20:39:00 08/19/15 (9)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - oranda 16:15:17 08/21/15 (1)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - hahax@verizon.net 18:11:42 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - Frihed89 12:50:10 08/20/15 (6)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - hahax@verizon.net 16:13:45 08/20/15 (0)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - A.Wayne 13:06:48 08/20/15 (4)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - hahax@verizon.net 16:18:37 08/20/15 (3)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - John Atkinson 16:21:59 08/23/15 (1)
- I've always wondered who hahax was... - Peter Breuninger 04:57:01 09/08/15 (0)
- RE: Somehow the concept of Linearity has been lost - A.Wayne 19:01:09 08/20/15 (0)
- The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - Ralph 08:52:41 08/19/15 (21)
- RE: The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - Poinzy 14:14:01 08/19/15 (3)
- RE: The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - b.l.zeebub 15:23:54 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - Ralph 15:08:11 08/19/15 (1)
- That's where Meridian's MQA comes in (nt) - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 16:27:21 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - hahax@verizon.net 09:32:12 08/19/15 (16)
- RE: The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - ahendler 19:11:44 08/20/15 (1)
- RE: The problem is that the measurements don't always reflect - hahax@verizon.net 19:58:22 08/20/15 (0)
- Fooling yourself... - mkuller 11:39:01 08/19/15 (11)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - hahax@verizon.net 20:41:17 08/19/15 (9)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - mkuller 20:45:00 08/19/15 (8)
- +1 (nt) - 4everyoung 10:30:05 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - hahax@verizon.net 08:37:52 08/20/15 (6)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - mkuller 10:00:18 08/20/15 (5)
- And such things - E-Stat 14:26:01 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - hahax@verizon.net 16:23:17 08/20/15 (3)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - mkuller 11:06:29 08/21/15 (2)
- RE: Fooling yourself...err Not - A.Wayne 11:16:02 08/21/15 (1)
- Still Fooling yourself... - mkuller 12:48:54 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Fooling yourself... - b.l.zeebub 15:24:57 08/19/15 (0)
- I certainly agree, but at the same time we need better measurements! - Ralph 10:59:50 08/19/15 (1)
- RE: I certainly agree, but at the same time we need better measurements! - hahax@verizon.net 20:47:41 08/19/15 (0)
- Meaningful explanations... - c1ferrari 17:48:48 08/18/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 13:24:07 08/18/15 (50)
- RE:thanks for your contribution [n.t.a.] - wangmr 11:29:15 08/20/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Pat D 11:38:34 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 20:38:52 08/18/15 (44)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 21:54:37 08/18/15 (43)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 04:59:00 08/19/15 (42)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - E-Stat 15:13:56 08/19/15 (12)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - rick_m 18:56:34 08/20/15 (11)
- And yet... - E-Stat 05:26:43 08/21/15 (8)
- RE: And yet... - rick_m 09:12:24 08/21/15 (7)
- RE: And yet... - josh358 16:23:37 08/27/15 (4)
- RE: And yet... - A.Wayne 07:43:04 08/28/15 (3)
- RE: And yet... - josh358 14:11:19 08/28/15 (2)
- RE: And yet...height is important when not fixed .... - A.Wayne 16:15:24 08/28/15 (1)
- RE: And yet...height is important when not fixed .... - josh358 06:45:12 08/29/15 (0)
- RE: And yet...yet , yet - A.Wayne 11:13:40 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: And yet... - E-Stat 09:19:50 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - ahendler 19:19:32 08/20/15 (1)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - rick_m 20:01:07 08/20/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Dave_K 09:44:14 08/19/15 (4)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 20:54:21 08/19/15 (3)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Dave_K 05:10:28 08/20/15 (2)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - A.Wayne 05:55:25 08/20/15 (1)
- "worthy" is the key word - Dave_K 08:55:46 08/20/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers not mutually exclusive - A.Wayne 06:28:07 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 05:05:41 08/19/15 (22)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - mark.korda@myfairpoint.net 06:30:01 08/19/15 (1)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 09:27:42 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 06:20:09 08/19/15 (19)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - ahendler 19:27:27 08/20/15 (1)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 09:28:38 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 06:30:58 08/19/15 (16)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 09:29:16 08/19/15 (14)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 13:38:37 08/19/15 (13)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Peter Breuninger 14:01:11 08/19/15 (12)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - MarkJohns 14:24:18 09/07/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - b.l.zeebub 23:15:04 08/19/15 (8)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - hahax@verizon.net 08:44:24 08/20/15 (6)
- I don't see why they couldn't use acoustic measurement tools - Dave_K 13:09:19 08/20/15 (5)
- RE: I don't see why they couldn't use acoustic measurement tools - hahax@verizon.net 16:26:40 08/20/15 (4)
- Disagree - Dave_K 08:38:28 08/21/15 (3)
- RE: Disagree - hahax@verizon.net 09:31:39 08/21/15 (0)
- RE: Disagree - A.Wayne 08:56:35 08/21/15 (1)
- LOL - Dave_K 03:12:21 08/22/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 04:45:31 08/20/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Doug Schneider 18:19:17 08/19/15 (1)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers, serious mags only - A.Wayne 20:17:45 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - b.l.zeebub 06:52:50 08/19/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - Jive Turkey 17:38:05 08/18/15 (0)
- Doug, - your article is awesome!! - Sordidman 14:36:57 08/18/15 (1)
- RE: Doug, - your article is awesome!! - Doug Schneider 15:45:17 08/18/15 (0)
- RE: Measurements vs. Reviewers - ahendler 11:05:30 08/18/15 (1)
- Do some "bad" measurements consistently sound good? - Brian H P 11:46:09 08/18/15 (0)
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