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In Reply to: RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... posted by rnhood on June 29, 2015 at 17:10:32:
>Measurements pertaining to listening - at the listening position - are
>different than standardized measurements taken during the design of the
>speaker, and its affirmation or qualification. Stereophile might want to
>think about altering their measurement protocol in this regard.
Stereophile publishes in-room measurements, taken at the listening position,
in every speaker review that Michael Fremer and I do, in every review that
Wes Phillips used to do, and in as many of Art Dudley's speaker reviews as
possible, given that he lives 230 miles away from me. As much as I would
like to do this in the other writers' speaker reviews, logistically it just
isn't possible.
John Atkinson
Technical Editor, Stereophile
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - Merlot_cat 07:54:23 06/19/15 (194)
- Could Stereophile ... - Bromo33333 07:24:31 07/30/15 (1)
- RE: Could Stereophile ... - A.Wayne 14:42:18 07/30/15 (0)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - rnhood 17:10:32 06/29/15 (2)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - John Atkinson 17:26:53 06/29/15 (1)
- This is more of an FYI...HK/Limage set-up... - Mark Man 19:20:31 06/29/15 (0)
- Easy decision - mbnx01 13:25:16 06/21/15 (3)
- RE: Easy decision - 13th Duke of Wymbourne 15:51:53 06/25/15 (0)
- RE: Easy decision - Pat D 14:36:11 06/24/15 (0)
- Yes - Frihed89 08:37:38 06/22/15 (0)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - RGA 03:16:11 06/21/15 (81)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - Pat D 13:02:21 06/21/15 (80)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - RGA 18:22:15 06/21/15 (1)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - Peter Breuninger 14:47:27 06/29/15 (0)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - E-Stat 16:04:09 06/21/15 (77)
- ! - thetubeguy1954 10:32:48 07/06/15 (9)
- Hi Tom - E-Stat 10:44:17 07/06/15 (8)
- RE: Hi Tom - thetubeguy1954 13:52:45 07/07/15 (7)
- RE: Hi Tom - jamestavegia@gmail.com 15:34:19 07/09/15 (6)
- RE: Hi Tom - thetubeguy1954 01:31:50 07/14/15 (4)
- RE: Hi Tom - jamestavegia@gmail.com 04:47:49 07/14/15 (2)
- RE: Hi Jim - A.Wayne 09:12:17 07/14/15 (1)
- RE: Hi Jim - jamestavegia@gmail.com 11:41:48 07/14/15 (0)
- RE: Hi Tom - A.Wayne 02:46:46 07/14/15 (0)
- RE: Measuremets are Important to some - A.Wayne 11:25:38 07/13/15 (0)
- Sorry but... - lancelot 17:14:30 06/23/15 (25)
- If you recall - E-Stat 17:41:49 06/23/15 (24)
- RE: If you recall - Pat D 14:51:07 06/24/15 (22)
- Sorry you've missed the topic - E-Stat 14:57:21 06/24/15 (21)
- RE: Sorry you've missed the topic - Pat D 15:54:18 06/24/15 (20)
- RE: Sorry you've missed the topic - John Atkinson 07:18:06 06/25/15 (1)
- RE: Sorry you've missed the topic / thank you [n.t.a.] - wangmr 07:32:33 06/25/15 (0)
- RE: Sorry you've missed the topic - E-Stat 16:16:53 06/24/15 (17)
- I have never gotton goose-bumps looking at measurements... - Mark Man 19:33:48 06/24/15 (16)
- Do you get goose bumps reading reviews and ads? - Pat D 05:33:08 06/25/15 (14)
- RE: Do you get goose bumps reading reviews and ads? - Mark Man 08:21:59 06/25/15 (13)
- RE: Do you get goose bumps reading reviews and ads? - Pat D 14:30:19 06/25/15 (12)
- Red Herring alert - E-Stat 16:02:42 06/25/15 (11)
- RE: Red Herring alert, more E-Stat Dogma attack ... - A.Wayne 04:17:21 06/26/15 (4)
- RE: Red Herring alert, more E-Stat Dogma attack ... - morricab 15:20:45 07/06/15 (2)
- RE: Red Herring alert, more E-Stat Dogma attack ... - DrChaos 16:45:48 07/09/15 (0)
- RE: Red Herring alert, more E-Stat Dogma attack ... - A.Wayne 20:12:34 07/06/15 (0)
- I never expected you - E-Stat 05:23:38 06/26/15 (0)
- RE: Red Herring alert - Pat D 20:21:53 06/25/15 (5)
- Conversely, Pat... there have been some reviewers whom IF they did NOT like them... made a point of listening - Cleantimestream 10:02:25 06/28/15 (0)
- RE: Red Herring alert - E-Stat 05:30:50 06/26/15 (3)
- RE: Red Herring alert - Pat D 15:22:38 06/26/15 (2)
- RE: Red Herring alert - E-Stat 15:30:26 06/26/15 (1)
- Misdirection alert! - Pat D 18:01:00 06/26/15 (0)
- goose-bumps - hifitommy 21:16:55 06/24/15 (0)
- RE: If you recall - lancelot 18:56:37 06/23/15 (0)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - Pat D 08:33:06 06/22/15 (40)
- Woe is you, right? - E-Stat 08:49:54 06/22/15 (39)
- RE: Woe is you, right? - Pat D 11:21:12 06/24/15 (33)
- RE: Woe is you, right? - E-Stat 13:09:03 06/24/15 (32)
- RE: Woe is you, right? - Pat D 14:24:26 06/24/15 (31)
- RE: Woe is you, right? - E-Stat 14:45:37 06/24/15 (30)
- RE: Woe is you, right? - Pat D 15:10:51 06/24/15 (29)
- Nope - E-Stat 15:30:47 06/24/15 (28)
- IDS 25 - Pat D 06:19:39 06/25/15 (27)
- RE: IDS 25 - E-Stat 06:35:21 06/25/15 (26)
- RE: IDS 25 - A.Wayne 09:02:07 06/25/15 (25)
- Would you care - E-Stat 09:51:19 06/25/15 (24)
- You have to agree - coherency, imaging, soundstaging etc. can NOT be all that important anyway,... - carcass93 11:17:19 06/26/15 (3)
- If you recall... - E-Stat 11:27:47 06/26/15 (2)
- Have to admit this has been a most amusing thread - kerr 11:54:35 06/26/15 (1)
- Opinions certainly differ - E-Stat 12:02:11 06/26/15 (0)
- RE: Would you care - A.Wayne 11:41:26 06/25/15 (19)
- Obviously, you don't a clue - E-Stat 11:45:09 06/25/15 (18)
- RE: Obviously, you don't a clue, then look in the mirror - A.Wayne 13:50:29 06/25/15 (7)
- Validity of the measurements is very much the topic - E-Stat 15:10:23 06/25/15 (6)
- The tester does not acknowledge them to be "clearly wrong" - Dave_K 10:09:06 06/26/15 (3)
- If the test assumption is clearly wrong, then...? - E-Stat 10:19:18 06/26/15 (2)
- RE: If the test assumption is clearly wrong, then...? - Dave_K 12:07:22 06/26/15 (1)
- RE: If the test assumption is clearly wrong, then...? - E-Stat 12:43:30 06/26/15 (0)
- RE: Validity of the measurements is very much the topic - A.Wayne 04:58:32 06/26/15 (1)
- Once again - E-Stat 05:24:49 06/26/15 (0)
- RE: Obviously, you don't a clue - Pat D 13:42:20 06/25/15 (8)
- RE: Obviously, you don't a clue - E-Stat 13:53:47 06/25/15 (7)
- RE: Obviously, you don't a clue - Pat D 17:06:27 06/26/15 (3)
- RE: Obviously, you don't a clue - E-Stat 17:41:08 06/26/15 (2)
- RE: Obviously, you don't a clue - Pat D 18:17:18 06/26/15 (1)
- I'll try again from my previous post - E-Stat 10:38:18 06/27/15 (0)
- "image height measurements.... soundstage depth measurements" - you're guaranteed ... - carcass93 14:48:50 06/26/15 (1)
- Naturally - E-Stat 15:04:05 06/26/15 (0)
- RE: Obviously, you don't a clue - A.Wayne 13:57:49 06/25/15 (0)
- RE: Obviously, you don't a clue - A.Wayne 13:39:55 06/25/15 (0)
- RE: Woe is you, right? - A.Wayne 10:24:18 06/22/15 (4)
- RE: Woe is you, right? - E-Stat 11:48:23 06/22/15 (3)
- RE: Woe is you, right? - A.Wayne 12:26:28 06/22/15 (2)
- Your version is.... - carcass93 11:53:24 06/23/15 (1)
- RE: Your version is.... - A.Wayne 12:01:29 06/23/15 (0)
- JA has commented previously - E-Stat 10:52:46 06/19/15 (39)
- RE: JA has commented previously, - A.Wayne 12:16:05 06/19/15 (33)
- RE: JA has commented previously, - E-Stat 13:22:14 06/19/15 (32)
- RE: JA has commented previously, - Pat D 16:31:23 06/20/15 (31)
- RE: JA has commented previously, - A.Wayne 20:17:40 06/20/15 (11)
- RE: JA has commented previously, - Pat D 11:34:12 06/24/15 (0)
- Contentious Panel Speaker Measurements - John Atkinson 08:10:14 06/21/15 (9)
- "Proprietary information" - Brian H P 16:18:18 06/22/15 (2)
- RE: "Proprietary information" - John Atkinson 09:01:12 06/23/15 (1)
- RE: "Proprietary information" - Bill Leebens 08:57:56 07/16/15 (0)
- Speaking only for myself... - Ivan303 09:32:26 06/21/15 (0)
- RE: Contentious Panel Speaker Measurements - A.Wayne 08:32:27 06/21/15 (4)
- RE: Contentious Panel Speaker Measurements - John Atkinson 11:01:40 06/22/15 (2)
- RE: Contentious Panel Speaker Measurements - DrChaos 16:44:52 06/22/15 (1)
- RE: Contentious Panel Speaker Measurements - Norman M 21:38:26 06/22/15 (0)
- RE: Contentious Panel Speaker Measurements - kentaja 11:45:36 06/21/15 (0)
- I return to JA's comments - E-Stat 18:09:44 06/20/15 (18)
- RE: I return to JA's comments - Pat D 12:01:19 06/21/15 (15)
- Quasi-anechoic vs. real rooms - Brian H P 16:32:02 06/22/15 (0)
- Are you kidding? - E-Stat 13:47:21 06/21/15 (10)
- RE: Are you kidding? - Pat D 07:48:25 06/22/15 (9)
- RE: Are you kidding? - regmac 14:35:57 06/22/15 (7)
- RE: Are you kidding? - A.Wayne 15:50:58 06/22/15 (6)
- RE: Are you kidding? - Pat D 10:45:34 06/24/15 (5)
- RE: Are you kidding? - A.Wayne 11:58:02 06/24/15 (4)
- RE: Are you kidding? really - A.Wayne 13:00:04 07/06/15 (0)
- RE: Are you kidding? - Pat D 13:49:30 06/24/15 (2)
- RE: Are you kidding? - A.Wayne 17:27:30 06/24/15 (0)
- You're not paying attention - E-Stat 15:38:24 06/24/15 (0)
- RE: Are you kidding? - E-Stat 07:56:09 06/22/15 (0)
- RE: I return to JA's comments - John N 13:13:27 06/21/15 (2)
- RE: I return to JA's comments - Pat D 07:52:20 06/22/15 (0)
- RE: I return to JA's comments and best to note - A.Wayne 15:54:09 06/21/15 (0)
- that puts a new spin on what is REALLY subjective... objectiveness is an illusion... an old warhorse arguement - Cleantimestream 11:09:25 06/21/15 (0)
- RE: "not representative in any sense of real world performance" - Ivan303 09:25:51 06/21/15 (0)
- RE: JA has commented previously - Mark Man 11:19:13 06/19/15 (4)
- RE: JA has commented previously - E-Stat 11:38:20 06/19/15 (3)
- Yes...My thoghts exactly... - Mark Man 11:57:26 06/19/15 (2)
- RE: Yes...My thoghts exactly... - E-Stat 13:18:33 06/19/15 (1)
- NIce.. - Mark Man 13:50:03 06/19/15 (0)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - John Atkinson 08:40:45 06/19/15 (62)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - A.Wayne 09:20:50 06/19/15 (61)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - John Atkinson 10:38:25 06/19/15 (41)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - A.Wayne 12:23:46 06/19/15 (6)
- Column vs full review... - mkuller 14:59:43 06/20/15 (1)
- RE: Column vs full review... - A.Wayne 16:31:07 06/20/15 (0)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - John Atkinson 06:18:48 06/20/15 (2)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - A.Wayne 06:33:55 06/20/15 (1)
- RE: Stereophile cannot test every item .... - A.Wayne 06:43:19 06/20/15 (0)
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - Jeffrey Lee 15:31:52 06/19/15 (0)
- JA...Riddle me this please... - Mark Man 11:15:03 06/19/15 (33)
- RE: JA...Riddle me this please... - unclestu 11:37:55 06/19/15 (32)
- he has not 'loosened up with age' ... - mbnx01 11:16:00 06/20/15 (0)
- RE: JA...Riddle me this please... - E-Stat 11:44:00 06/19/15 (30)
- RE: JA...Riddle me this please... - unclestu 14:34:51 06/19/15 (29)
- James Bongiorno use Triple Maggies - Des 16:18:49 06/21/15 (0)
- Double panels you say? - E-Stat 14:43:37 06/19/15 (27)
- RE: Double panels you say? - RGA 19:13:11 06/21/15 (2)
- Two peas in a pod, right? - E-Stat 19:33:28 06/21/15 (1)
- BOOM...Drop the mic... - Mark Man 06:59:31 06/22/15 (0)
- RE: Double panels you say? - Ivan303 13:21:12 06/20/15 (2)
- Actually - E-Stat 14:14:59 06/20/15 (1)
- I was a RMAF when Ray was running four double panels in a BIG room... - Ivan303 15:34:46 06/20/15 (0)
- Heard them at CES - unclestu 15:56:30 06/19/15 (16)
- Why wouldn't they last...Just Curious??? - Mark Man 21:05:08 06/19/15 (13)
- RE: Why wouldn't they last - unclestu 10:51:27 06/22/15 (12)
- RE: Why wouldn't they last - Mark Man 11:04:10 06/22/15 (9)
- RE: Why wouldn't they last - kentaja 13:45:19 06/22/15 (8)
- RE: Why wouldn't they last - unclestu 11:44:38 06/24/15 (7)
- RE: Why wouldn't they last - kentaja 11:55:11 06/24/15 (6)
- RE: Why wouldn't they last - unclestu 12:35:51 06/26/15 (5)
- RE: Why wouldn't they last - kentaja 15:12:48 06/26/15 (4)
- RE: Why wouldn't they last - unclestu 15:54:39 06/26/15 (3)
- RE: Why wouldn't they last - kentaja 16:12:29 06/26/15 (2)
- RE: cortec - unclestu 17:57:50 06/26/15 (1)
- RE: Thanks! NT - kentaja 08:26:23 06/27/15 (0)
- RE: Why wouldn't they last - A.Wayne 10:54:44 06/22/15 (1)
- RE: Why wouldn't they last - kentaja 13:46:30 06/22/15 (0)
- "Too bad stats don't last in my area ( five years max)." - E-Stat 19:49:30 06/19/15 (1)
- RE: "Too bad stats don't last in my area ( five years max)." - acres verde 12:39:53 06/20/15 (0)
- DAMN...that is a big set of headphones... - Mark Man 15:09:30 06/19/15 (3)
- X350.5s - E-Stat 15:26:03 06/19/15 (2)
- Yep, that's the set up I remember at RMAF... - Ivan303 18:10:02 06/20/15 (0)
- I am only somewhat familar with the SL line-up... - Mark Man 15:41:10 06/19/15 (0)
- Standard protocol, actually - Brian H P 10:38:01 06/19/15 (18)
- And if I recall, it means they are ineligible for Recommended Components.... - AAG 12:26:37 06/19/15 (17)
- I do not believe that your recollection is accurate as concerns the last 10 years or so - John Marks 14:52:13 06/19/15 (16)
- RE: I do not believe that your recollection is accurate as concerns the last 10 years or so - John Atkinson 04:35:29 06/20/15 (0)
- Well, that really is interesting... - AAG 15:04:10 06/19/15 (14)
- My favorite Political Science joke! - John Marks 04:30:46 06/20/15 (9)
- Absolutely it does... - AAG 12:35:50 06/20/15 (4)
- RE: Absolutely it does... - John Atkinson 08:00:22 06/21/15 (3)
- Thank you for the clarification and confirmation... - AAG 13:10:49 06/21/15 (2)
- RE: Thank you for the clarification and confirmation... - John Atkinson 04:04:09 06/22/15 (1)
- Thanks - AAG 13:15:19 06/22/15 (0)
- Absolutely it does... - AAG 09:43:53 06/20/15 (3)
- "Columnists" are required to file their copy in Unrhymed Iambic Pentameter - John Marks 10:17:06 06/20/15 (2)
- Thanks John - AAG 13:04:27 06/20/15 (1)
- AFAIK, the only "policy" input from me is, "Do I want to shout it from the rooftops?" - John Marks 17:10:13 06/20/15 (0)
- RE: Well, that really is interesting... - Jeffrey Lee 15:24:42 06/19/15 (3)
- That may be true... - AAG 15:46:28 06/19/15 (1)
- RE: That may be true...errr not - A.Wayne 15:51:09 06/19/15 (0)
- RE: Well, that really is interesting... - A.Wayne 15:42:28 06/19/15 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: Stereophile to review Magnepan!?.... - John Atkinson 17:26:53 06/29/15 (1)
- This is more of an FYI...HK/Limage set-up... - Mark Man 19:20:31 06/29/15 (0)