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In Reply to: And yet... posted by E-Stat on December 7, 2014 at 08:41:40:
In the recent positive DB tests, the physical switch box has been replaced by software that selects between playback of two audio files. In this case if the two files are in the same format then the only difference between the sounds produced comes from differences in the files themselves. There is no sonic degradation from the test jig. So in this case there are adequate controls against losing the ability to hear audible differences. Ironically this software has glitches that work in the opposite way, take inaudible differences and make them easy to hear. A good example is a tiny (sub millisecond) time shift between the two files coupled with the ability to play arbitrary clips in the files. I know this for a fact, because once I observed this going on I was able to easily exploit this weakness and to hear differences that would otherwise have been difficult.
The people building this ABX hardware and ABX software have shown themselves to be adequate novelty toy makers, but not proper experimental scientists.
Tony Lauck
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - DBT or not DBT - Ozzie 19:07:52 12/02/14 (150)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - jamestavegia@gmail.com 03:42:13 12/12/14 (0)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - stehno 20:08:26 12/05/14 (12)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - middleground 12:21:47 12/08/14 (1)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - stehno 20:53:30 12/09/14 (0)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - stehno 21:51:50 12/07/14 (4)
- Just a detail - E-Stat 11:40:03 12/09/14 (0)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - Tony Lauck 18:31:29 12/08/14 (2)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - stehno 20:56:33 12/09/14 (1)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - The Bored 08:48:48 12/10/14 (0)
- stehno: - The Bored 14:18:01 12/07/14 (0)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - mkuller 10:57:05 12/06/14 (3)
- RE: DBT or not DBT -- I think i disagree . . . - goldenthal 15:39:19 02/15/15 (2)
- RE: DBT or not DBT -- I think i disagree . . . - mkuller 15:48:30 02/15/15 (1)
- RES IPSA LOQUITUR! nt - goldenthal 16:14:41 02/15/15 (0)
- The problem is… - tomservo 09:44:30 12/05/14 (6)
- RE: The problem is… - middleground 06:19:14 12/07/14 (0)
- And, if you want to be taken seriously... - E-Stat 11:04:10 12/05/14 (4)
- RE: And, if you want to be taken seriously... - Tony Lauck 18:52:24 12/05/14 (3)
- Why not make it easy enough - E-Stat 09:15:35 12/06/14 (2)
- That's how to train. - Tony Lauck 09:43:42 12/06/14 (1)
- "That's how to train." - E-Stat 08:12:50 12/07/14 (0)
- Somehow - I though the subject - kavakidd 23:33:59 12/03/14 (10)
- DBTs are a fitting subject for Prophead. nt - Tony Lauck 18:49:49 12/05/14 (0)
- RE: Somehow - I though the subject - Pat D 07:39:33 12/04/14 (8)
- RE: Somehow - I though the subject - RGA 20:50:15 12/04/14 (5)
- The Single Biggest Failure with DBT Proponents is... - E-Stat 09:03:10 12/05/14 (3)
- RE: The Single Biggest Failure with DBT Proponents is... - Pat D 20:45:38 12/06/14 (1)
- RE: The Single Biggest Failure with DBT Proponents is... - E-Stat 08:25:39 12/07/14 (0)
- Actually... - mkuller 10:04:27 12/05/14 (0)
- RE: Somehow - I though the subject - Pat D 03:13:43 12/05/14 (0)
- I don't remember you knocking down anything or anybody. - carcass93 20:04:44 12/04/14 (0)
- RE: Somehow - I though the subject - mkuller 10:48:57 12/04/14 (0)
- My favorites... - E-Stat 12:48:04 12/03/14 (0)
- I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - carcass93 12:39:30 12/03/14 (96)
- possibly of use - tomservo 06:38:25 12/10/14 (5)
- RE: possibly of use - Dave_K 12:30:16 12/12/14 (4)
- RE: possibly of use - Pat D 18:38:20 12/12/14 (1)
- RE: possibly of use - Dave_K 08:45:52 12/15/14 (0)
- RE: possibly of use - tomservo 18:16:30 12/12/14 (1)
- No, I failed to get a positive result in the SBT - Dave_K 08:43:23 12/15/14 (0)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - middleground 02:42:33 12/05/14 (56)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - Dave_K 11:26:08 12/05/14 (55)
- To win arguements? - mkuller 14:42:59 12/05/14 (2)
- You're right that nobody wins, but they keep trying (nt) - Dave_K 05:18:34 12/07/14 (1)
- The Dogged Pursuit of Mediocrity - E-Stat 08:37:42 12/07/14 (0)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - middleground 14:06:32 12/05/14 (50)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - Tony Lauck 18:46:23 12/05/14 (48)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - Pat D 19:55:26 12/06/14 (11)
- Scientific method? - mkuller 12:16:37 12/07/14 (8)
- RE: Scientific method? - Pat D 16:00:43 12/08/14 (7)
- RE: Scientific method? - Tony Lauck 18:40:40 12/08/14 (0)
- RE: Scientific method? - mkuller 16:44:52 12/08/14 (5)
- RE: Scientific method? - Pat D 18:54:10 12/08/14 (4)
- RE: Scientific method? - mkuller 12:07:14 12/09/14 (3)
- RE: Scientific method? - Pat D 20:07:13 12/09/14 (2)
- RE: Scientific method? - mkuller 20:11:39 12/09/14 (1)
- RE: Scientific method? - Pat D 20:38:40 12/09/14 (0)
- And yet... - E-Stat 08:41:40 12/07/14 (1)
- Novelty toy makers, not experimental scientists - Tony Lauck 15:19:26 12/07/14 (0)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - John Atkinson 09:20:36 12/06/14 (35)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - Tony Lauck 10:45:15 12/06/14 (34)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - stehno 12:26:05 12/14/14 (2)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - Tony Lauck 13:27:16 12/14/14 (1)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - stehno 14:41:13 12/14/14 (0)
- BTW - E-Stat 14:36:06 12/07/14 (30)
- RE: BTW - Pat D 19:28:44 12/08/14 (29)
- RE: BTW - E-Stat 08:18:58 12/09/14 (28)
- RE: BTW - Pat D 20:15:00 12/09/14 (27)
- Finally, an accurate amplifier... - mkuller 21:37:45 12/09/14 (23)
- RE: Finally, an accurate amplifier... - Pat D 13:50:13 12/10/14 (22)
- RE: Finally, an accurate amplifier... - Tony Lauck 21:19:51 12/11/14 (8)
- RE: Finally, an accurate amplifier... - Pat D 16:27:01 12/12/14 (7)
- RE: Finally, an accurate amplifier... - Tony Lauck 17:40:55 12/12/14 (6)
- RE: Finally, an accurate amplifier... - Pat D 18:41:54 12/12/14 (1)
- Oh, you "suggest"? That's so generous of you.... - carcass93 15:25:40 12/13/14 (0)
- Sorry - E-Stat 18:04:08 12/12/14 (3)
- The only one you mention... - mkuller 11:07:39 12/11/14 (12)
- RE: The only one you mention... - Tony Lauck 21:17:01 12/11/14 (1)
- I always... - mkuller 10:40:54 12/12/14 (0)
- Ditto - E-Stat 11:59:45 12/11/14 (9)
- Maybe PatD will tell us... - mkuller 12:25:01 12/11/14 (8)
- Perhaps accurate for those who listen to - E-Stat 12:34:55 12/11/14 (7)
- RE: Perhaps accurate for those who listen to - Pat D 16:33:03 12/12/14 (6)
- Wrong amp - we're talking about the 4B-SST...(nt) - mkuller 10:06:19 12/13/14 (4)
- RE: Wrong amp - we're talking about the 4B-SST...(nt) - Pat D 11:12:03 12/14/14 (3)
- RE: Wrong amp - we're talking about the 4B-SST... - mkuller 11:28:15 12/14/14 (2)
- RE: Wrong amp - we're talking about the 4B-SST... - Pat D 10:43:51 12/15/14 (0)
- RE: Wrong amp - we're talking about the 4B-SST... - lord addleford 12:13:17 12/14/14 (0)
- Thanks for ongoing humor! - E-Stat 16:48:15 12/12/14 (0)
- RE: BTW - E-Stat 20:37:09 12/09/14 (2)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - Dave_K 14:37:31 12/05/14 (0)
- Much more elaborate than I'd ever could (or bother) to put it - ... - carcass93 12:23:17 12/05/14 (0)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - kerr 05:24:23 12/04/14 (23)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - bjh 17:41:07 12/04/14 (15)
- True - kerr 05:31:39 12/05/14 (14)
- RE: True - Pat D 16:37:24 12/08/14 (12)
- I stand corrected - kerr 04:54:25 12/09/14 (11)
- RE: I stand corrected - Pat D 11:14:57 12/10/14 (10)
- One can make any number of observations to the obvious... - E-Stat 15:50:08 12/12/14 (2)
- RE: One can make any number of observations to the obvious... - Pat D 18:53:21 12/12/14 (1)
- RE: One can make any number of observations to the obvious... - Tony Lauck 19:25:07 12/12/14 (0)
- Science, once again rears its... - mkuller 19:04:40 12/11/14 (5)
- RE: Science, once again rears its... - Pat D 18:27:33 12/12/14 (4)
- "Whoever said that an audio DBT was a test of audio component differences?" - E-Stat 07:16:15 12/13/14 (3)
- RE: "Whoever said that an audio DBT was a test of audio component differences?" - Pat D 16:14:11 12/13/14 (2)
- I'll leave you with this episode of the absurd :) - E-Stat 17:00:20 12/13/14 (1)
- RE: I'll leave you with this episode of the absurd :) - Pat D 10:32:44 12/14/14 (0)
- Great Debate - kerr 04:58:22 12/11/14 (0)
- Word nt - bjh 19:32:34 12/05/14 (0)
- On that topic... looky here: - carcass93 09:51:12 12/04/14 (6)
- Missing AJinFLA? - E-Stat 16:25:05 12/12/14 (0)
- Did you notice? - kerr 05:17:00 12/09/14 (2)
- Yeah... but at least he's not an amplifier manufacturer. - carcass93 12:08:17 12/09/14 (1)
- Unless it was amps for skating rinks or cowboy bars (nt) - kerr 04:47:45 12/10/14 (0)
- RE: On that topic... looky here: - Tony Lauck 22:32:28 12/04/14 (1)
- It's the triumph of Pure Science, happening right there, before our eyes. - carcass93 08:48:45 12/05/14 (0)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - Pat D 18:23:41 12/03/14 (8)
- "Whoever said one person's DBT results apply to another person?" - you did. - carcass93 09:25:26 12/04/14 (3)
- RE: "Whoever said one person's DBT results apply to another person?" - you did. - Pat D 10:13:18 12/04/14 (2)
- Don't you know that Teflon is bad for your health? - carcass93 11:48:21 12/04/14 (1)
- RE: Don't you know that Teflon is bad for your health? - Tony Lauck 18:28:59 12/05/14 (0)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - Tony Lauck 18:46:30 12/03/14 (3)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - regmac 08:06:16 12/05/14 (1)
- RE: I still haven't heard a satisfactory explanation: - Tony Lauck 10:00:23 12/05/14 (0)
- RE: Haha.....I think that sums it up nicely :) nt - navman 08:46:43 12/04/14 (0)
- Nobody In Audio Does True DBT .......... - Todd Krieger 09:09:29 12/03/14 (6)
- RE: Nobody In Audio Does True DBT .......... - Kal Rubinson 14:00:30 12/03/14 (5)
- RE: Nobody In Audio Does True DBT .......... - mkuller 19:08:46 12/03/14 (3)
- Depends on the design of the test. - Kal Rubinson 20:03:59 12/03/14 (2)
- Can't argue with that... - mkuller 10:51:43 12/04/14 (1)
- Audio DBT - Kal Rubinson 12:46:41 12/04/14 (0)
- RE: Nobody In Audio Does True DBT .......... - Todd Krieger 16:04:30 12/03/14 (0)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - middleground 08:13:46 12/03/14 (3)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - Pat D 03:46:32 12/05/14 (2)
- You can criticize HP all you want... - mkuller 10:02:48 12/05/14 (1)
- RE: You can criticize HP all you want... - Pat D 16:14:59 12/08/14 (0)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - navman 08:02:55 12/03/14 (5)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - Pat D 18:10:08 12/03/14 (4)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - navman 08:43:27 12/04/14 (3)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - Pat D 10:11:49 12/04/14 (2)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - navman 11:15:42 12/04/14 (1)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - Dave_K 14:14:22 12/05/14 (0)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - RGA 23:53:24 12/02/14 (0)
- RE: DBT or not DBT - stehno 21:15:19 12/02/14 (0)
- Another round? - mkuller 20:59:36 12/02/14 (0)
Follow Ups
- Novelty toy makers, not experimental scientists - Tony Lauck 15:19:26 12/07/14 (0)