In Reply to: I appreciate your comments... posted by mgagneur123@gmail.com on July 31, 2014 at 14:36:54:
>I have been following the uproar and subsequent search to root out the
>heretics and bring back the status quo over at AVS. I'm posting here
>because if I posted there I'd be stoned as well :)For decades, so-called "objectivists" have demanded that audiophiles
perform double-blind ABX tests to "prove" that they hear what they claim to
hear. Now that some people have done that and have heard the difference
between hi-rez files and CD-quality versions of the same to a statistically
significant extent, the objectivists are making increasingly absurd
arguments why statistically significant positive results of double-blind
ABX tests don't actually mean anything. :-)>I really enjoyed your discussion on perception and models. I found it
>very interesting and after I thought about it the concepts seemed both
>intuitive and obvious.Thank you.
The main point I was making is that what matters to us as listeners is the
internal states of the internal models our brains construct as a result of
soundwaves hitting our ears, and those states are by definition not
accessible to measurement.But in my study of the science of perception, what astonished me was that
we don't experience sound in real-time but with a latency of around 100ms.
There is a _lot_ of processing going on in our brains before we experience
"sound," meaning we actually experience "reality" more than a tenth of a
second in the past. The latency is even greater with vision.
John Atkinson
Technical Editor, Stereophile
Edits: 08/01/14
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- RE: I appreciate your comments... - John Atkinson 04:04:26 08/01/14 (48)
- what? - mbnx01 16:54:59 08/02/14 (10)
- RE: what? - Bill Way 15:54:12 08/10/14 (3)
- RE: what? - b.l.zeebub 01:47:13 08/11/14 (2)
- RE: what? - John Atkinson 05:31:13 08/03/14 (5)
- That was pretty much my experience - Beetlemania 07:17:16 08/06/14 (1)
- Agreed! - b.l.zeebub 04:30:55 08/07/14 (0)
- RE: what? - middleground 18:07:42 08/03/14 (2)
- That's easy. - Kal Rubinson 19:33:13 08/03/14 (1)
- RE: That's easy. - bjh 20:00:55 08/03/14 (0)
- with marked respect to the late Richard C. Heyser and his timeless comment... - Cleantimestream 19:12:01 08/01/14 (0)
- RE: I appreciate your comments... - pictureguy 17:23:55 08/01/14 (9)
- RE: I appreciate your comments... - b.l.zeebub 04:07:09 08/04/14 (0)
- RE: I appreciate your comments... - John Atkinson 06:21:49 08/02/14 (7)
- Speaking of that... - mkuller 11:45:02 08/02/14 (6)
- One can look at that another way. - Kal Rubinson 05:38:35 08/03/14 (5)
- Kal, is this correct? - Jim Austin 04:52:58 08/05/14 (1)
- Yes but all of this is relative. - Kal Rubinson 06:49:32 08/05/14 (0)
- RE: One can look at that another way. - mkuller 11:51:13 08/03/14 (2)
- Yes but.................. - Kal Rubinson 14:59:32 08/03/14 (1)
- Agreed... - mkuller 15:02:46 08/03/14 (0)
- An interesting blind listening test . . . - Brian H P 16:41:55 08/01/14 (2)
- RE: An interesting blind listening test . . . - mgagneur123@gmail.com 07:41:51 08/02/14 (1)
- Ear training - Brian H P 10:46:50 08/05/14 (0)
- Latency - Rob Doorack 09:08:27 08/01/14 (1)
- That's nothing! - JoshT 20:55:36 08/01/14 (0)
- RE: I appreciate your comments... - Barabajagal 07:52:55 08/01/14 (20)
- RE: I appreciate your comments... - John Atkinson 08:08:23 08/01/14 (19)
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- RE: I appreciate your comments... - Barabajagal 13:53:35 08/01/14 (15)
- RE: I appreciate your comments... - John Atkinson 06:11:17 08/02/14 (14)
- RE: I appreciate your comments... - Barabajagal 15:16:10 08/02/14 (13)
- RE: I appreciate your comments... - John Atkinson 16:09:38 08/02/14 (12)
- RE: I appreciate your comments... - bjh 08:21:59 08/04/14 (0)
- RE: I appreciate your comments... - Barabajagal 21:34:29 08/02/14 (10)
- You continue to - E-Stat 09:04:09 08/04/14 (9)
- Not really... - Barabajagal 09:37:27 08/04/14 (8)
- RE: Not really... - Dave Pogue 14:01:20 08/04/14 (1)
- RE: Not really...just google and you'll get the answer [n.t.a.] - wangmr 19:12:39 08/09/14 (0)
- RE: Not really... - John Atkinson 13:59:33 08/04/14 (5)
- Heads I win, tails you lose.... - regmac 17:40:32 08/04/14 (3)
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- RE: Heads I win, tails you lose.... - John Atkinson 05:19:22 08/06/14 (0)
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- RE: I appreciate your comments... - Barabajagal 08:20:50 08/01/14 (0)