... a couple years ago. With *real* music. I even posted about it, on HydrogenAudio. Too bad only George Louis noticed it!Now having heard its effect, I can state with confidence that I don't give a damn if my music is in correct polarity or not. For these reasons:
* With the sample I listened to, it was a fantastically minor effect to ascertain. I could spend the rest of my life blissfully unaware of its existence.
* It was much harder to determine the effect on some setups compared to others. Most notably, it was a lot harder to ABX it on my "expensive" source compared to my "cheap" source. Given the known possibility of even-harmonic distortion being a big culprit in the audibility, and the very large volumes I needed to detect audibility, I was pretty thoroughly convinced by a few people that if polarity reversal is particularly evidence on some equipment, it is likely to be evidence that that equipment is inferior in some way.
There are other reasons too but those are the big ones. There were a few legitimate complaints about my test setup, but I haven't been concerned enough to redo the ABX tests. It's convinced me, at least. I figure given all the talk about polarity recently yall should at least know about it too.
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Topic - I ABX'd absolute polarity! - Axon 09:35:36 05/18/07 (99)
- Careful! - bjh 18:28:52 05/24/07 (0)
- Re: I ABX'd absolute polarity! - rjd 12:40:01 05/20/07 (8)
- Definitely! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:33:11 05/21/07 (7)
- RE: Definitely you can hear it - PhillyB 05:40:29 05/23/07 (6)
- PhillyB: Remote polarity on your SA-7S1? - Bob Stern 17:41:30 05/24/07 (3)
- Answered my own question - Bob Stern 18:30:43 05/24/07 (2)
- RE: Answered my own question - PhillyB 17:10:47 05/26/07 (1)
- Requires a computer-programmable remote - Bob Stern 18:26:05 05/26/07 (0)
- Almost *anyone* can hear it -- if they're of a mind to try. Alas, there's the hitch. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:06:31 05/23/07 (0)
- Well stated. nt - geoffkait 06:30:25 05/23/07 (0)
- I heard a rumor that - Bruce Kendall 12:33:45 05/20/07 (0)
- Good for you - unclestu52 18:43:13 05/18/07 (24)
- The difference between P and B is that the vocal cords vibrate with the B. nt - TomLarson 18:53:09 05/20/07 (0)
- My take is slightly different - Dave Pogue 05:57:08 05/20/07 (22)
- Halcro DM10 has a remote polarity switch - Halcroman 21:34:17 05/21/07 (0)
- db Systems has one - Atexanathome 16:16:09 05/21/07 (6)
- Do you happen to know .... - Dave Pogue 14:30:41 05/25/07 (5)
- It's a DB-7 - Atexanathome 15:53:32 05/25/07 (4)
- RE: It's a DB-7 - john curl 10:01:51 05/26/07 (2)
- "We have been including absolute phase in our best designs for many decades." Sez it all! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:06:31 05/29/07 (0)
- RE: It's a DB-7 - john curl 14:40:01 05/26/07 (0)
- Thank you. I found the reference ... - Dave Pogue 16:39:46 05/25/07 (0)
- RE: My take is slightly different - unclestu52 12:24:55 05/20/07 (0)
- RE: My take is slightly different - john curl 10:32:02 05/20/07 (12)
- I guess if it were easy to do, - Dave Pogue 11:14:55 05/20/07 (11)
- RE: I guess if it were easy to do, - john curl 13:27:39 05/20/07 (10)
- Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - tlyyra 04:35:51 05/22/07 (7)
- RE: Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - john curl 09:39:01 05/22/07 (6)
- RE: Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - tlyyra 10:19:54 05/22/07 (5)
- RE: Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - john curl 13:30:12 05/22/07 (4)
- RE: Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - tlyyra 14:13:20 05/22/07 (3)
- RE: Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - john curl 15:11:55 05/22/07 (2)
- RE: Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - tlyyra 04:08:00 05/23/07 (1)
- And how do you define character attacks that YOU make?? - robert young 05:26:54 05/23/07 (0)
- RE: I guess if it were easy to do, - Mike B. 13:06:07 05/21/07 (1)
- RE: I guess if it were easy to do, - john curl 14:47:46 05/21/07 (0)
- "Inversion was performed with foo_invert, a plugin of my own devising." Uh-oh. - clarkjohnsen 11:05:26 05/18/07 (62)
- I never said that this was literature-worthy - Axon 12:03:51 05/18/07 (61)
- Clark's double-blind, sorry, triple-blind tests - KlausR. 00:02:33 05/19/07 (60)
- Re: Clark's double-blind, sorry, triple-blind tests - Pat D 19:54:37 05/20/07 (9)
- I really wish - unclestu52 12:41:15 05/22/07 (6)
- RE: I really wish - Ted Smith 13:10:32 05/22/07 (5)
- RE: I really wish - unclestu52 20:07:15 05/22/07 (2)
- I agree 100%. (nt) - Dave Pogue 04:58:19 05/23/07 (0)
- PS - unclestu52 02:15:19 05/23/07 (0)
- "Nuanced"? Who, me? [Blush] - clarkjohnsen 13:52:24 05/22/07 (1)
- "nip. nip. nip!" - unclestu52 18:16:03 05/22/07 (0)
- RE: distortion inherent in the LP medium and playback could make the polarity reversal more audible - KlausR. 01:55:25 05/21/07 (1)
- Also, tubed or single-ended amplifiers may have significant even harmonics... - Axon 06:58:02 05/21/07 (0)
- Re: Clark's double-blind, sorry, triple-blind tests - john curl 13:36:43 05/20/07 (42)
- RE: Re: Clark's double-blind, sorry, triple-blind tests - john curl 10:07:16 05/21/07 (8)
- RE: Ignore it, and remain in ignorance! - KlausR. 06:40:10 05/23/07 (6)
- RE: Ignore it, and remain in ignorance! - unclestu52 13:32:34 05/23/07 (3)
- RE: Ignore it, and remain in ignorance! - KlausR. 00:02:38 05/24/07 (2)
- Pardon me, - unclestu52 02:49:53 05/24/07 (1)
- RE: Pardon me, - KlausR. 05:51:35 05/24/07 (0)
- RE: Ignore it, and remain in ignorance! - john curl 08:25:25 05/23/07 (1)
- RE: Ignore it, and remain in ignorance! - KlausR. 00:06:02 05/24/07 (0)
- "This was the LAW until fairly recent times." Gotta love those scientists and their "laws". - clarkjohnsen 10:20:39 05/21/07 (0)
- I consider mythbusting as useful, thank your for asking! - KlausR. 06:56:31 05/21/07 (31)
- "which results Clark refuses to provide for unknown reasons." Huh! Here I thought... - clarkjohnsen 10:01:35 05/21/07 (30)
- Where did I make ASSERTIONS ??? - KlausR. 01:55:21 05/22/07 (29)
- "Nobody will blame you." Now that's an assertion, and likely erroneous. - clarkjohnsen 10:56:57 05/22/07 (28)
- RE: The overall score was 84/137. Where do you get this? - KlausR. 22:12:25 05/22/07 (27)
- "you don't know what confidence levels in statistisc means." Take it up with Stanley, why don't you? - clarkjohnsen 10:04:00 05/23/07 (26)
- RE: confidence levels - KlausR. 00:21:09 05/24/07 (25)
- "Lipshitz made a mistake in his paper, that's all." No, that's not all. - clarkjohnsen 11:31:04 05/24/07 (24)
- RE: Heyser expressed an opinion... - KlausR. 21:56:48 05/24/07 (23)
- "He is not providing any evidence." No? How about the evidence of his ears? - clarkjohnsen 08:07:49 05/25/07 (22)
- I respect someone's convictions! - KlausR. 09:05:33 05/25/07 (21)
- The thread is about Lipshitz, and that's whom I was speaking of. Obviously. - clarkjohnsen 09:39:37 05/25/07 (20)
- answer the question, please - truthseekerprime 13:39:29 05/25/07 (6)
- RE: for music - jensw 11:27:19 05/26/07 (1)
- Too logical! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:11:45 05/29/07 (0)
- "Do Lipshitz' results demonstrate that polarity reversal is audible in music? Yes or no?" - clarkjohnsen 11:15:27 05/26/07 (1)
- just answer the question - truthseekerprime 14:51:40 05/26/07 (0)
- Sorry the sidetrack: Noticed same - can't find your recent posts. - tlyyra 15:21:55 05/25/07 (1)
- answer the question, please - truthseekerprime 21:26:54 05/25/07 (0)
- Thus spoke Lipshitz - tlyyra 12:50:07 05/25/07 (12)
- While I am well advised (by the moderator) not to respond to you... - clarkjohnsen 11:29:54 05/26/07 (11)
- RE: While I am well advised (by the moderator) not to respond to you... - tlyyra 14:05:09 05/27/07 (0)
- Yes or no? - truthseekerprime 14:49:32 05/26/07 (9)
- Why don't you take your problems up with *him*? - clarkjohnsen 13:34:58 05/27/07 (8)
- Sorry, but you've really lost all credibility now - truthseekerprime 21:01:10 05/28/07 (7)
- Told you: No more discussion until you rectify your blatant lies. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:05:26 05/29/07 (6)
- This is the Critic's Corner, not the Whiner's Woad, Clark. n/t - tlyyra 06:56:25 05/30/07 (4)
- RE: This is the Critic's Corner, not the Whiner's Woad, Clark. n/t - truthseekerprime 06:57:05 06/03/07 (1)
- Re: "An object lesson" - tlyyra 02:01:07 06/09/07 (0)
- Truth speaks severely to liars -- no wonder you hate it. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:23:09 05/30/07 (1)
- So bring us the truth... - tlyyra 01:05:45 05/31/07 (0)
- And how would you like me to do that? - truthseekerprime 12:43:47 05/29/07 (0)
- RE: Re: Clark's double-blind, sorry, triple-blind tests - tlyyra 15:25:55 05/20/07 (0)
- I know "literature" when I see some - tlyyra 04:36:44 05/20/07 (4)
- Also note that the alcohol was only a definitive factor for the RME tests - Axon 11:30:20 05/20/07 (3)
- Intriguing research directions - tlyyra 16:13:48 05/20/07 (2)
- Caffeine has been shown to aggravate tinnitus... - SF tech 20:02:43 05/21/07 (1)
- I hear you, brother. Now, let's move on. - tlyyra 04:20:15 05/22/07 (0)
- Re: 100 confidence level = infinity amount of +, and o -. NT. - jensw 00:04:22 05/20/07 (1)
- Bingo! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:57:37 05/21/07 (0)