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Enjoythemusic June issue..... - Ozzy 04:19:06 06/13/07 (16)
- It seems like ETM is slipping and may morph into Audio Cafe. - howard 22:59:32 06/25/07 (1)
  - Stop fishing with insults. - Steven R. Rochlin 09:44:59 06/26/07 (0)
- RE: Enjoythemusic June issue..... - Steven R. Rochlin 05:04:03 06/19/07 (0)
- RE: Enjoythemusic June issue..... - Steven R. Rochlin 10:13:49 06/18/07 (4)
  - Pictures ain't reviews, Steve... - rlw 15:30:59 06/25/07 (0)
  - RE: Enjoythemusic June issue..... - Ozzy 11:59:33 06/18/07 (2)
    - RE: Enjoythemusic June issue..... - Steven R. Rochlin 15:59:24 06/18/07 (0)
    - That would be my priority list also NT - lancelot 13:33:19 06/18/07 (0)
- RE: Enjoythemusic June issue..... - Sstone8807@aol.com 20:16:14 06/15/07 (0)
- Begging your pardon, but... - clarkjohnsen 08:21:13 06/13/07 (6)
  - RE: Begging your pardon, but... - Steven R. Rochlin 10:24:25 06/18/07 (1)
    - Oh man, I can't let this one go... - rlw 15:35:44 06/25/07 (0)
  - Nope..... - Ozzy 11:03:32 06/13/07 (3)
    - I'd ask for my money back if I were you. ;-) nt - markrohr 12:51:06 06/14/07 (0)
    - All that free stuff, and yet... and yet... nt - clarkjohnsen 09:50:34 06/14/07 (0)
    - RE: Nope..... - Doc Gaw 09:30:06 06/14/07 (0)
Alls I know ... - Dr. S 10:34:38 06/09/07 (0)
6moons "Mortars into bricks" - KlausR. 01:46:29 06/06/07 (103)
- Attention: Thread/t about to be hijacked -;) - Srajan Ebaen 06:23:17 06/20/07 (1)
  - RE: Attention: Thread/t about to be hijacked -;) - KlausR. 07:40:31 06/21/07 (0)
- well 400 watts is 'about' 25 to 26dbw added to the K-horns number for db/w/1m gives - Timbo in Oz 16:29:08 06/14/07 (6)
  - Johnny-come-lately - Tom Brennan 11:59:44 06/15/07 (5)
    - RE: Johnny-come-lately - john.potis@comcast.net 13:13:26 06/15/07 (4)
      - RE: Johnny-come-lately - Tom Brennan 11:36:31 06/16/07 (3)
        
        RE: Johnny-come-lately - john.potis@comcast.net 13:55:57 06/16/07 (2)
        
        RE: Johnny-come-lately - Tom Brennan 16:33:57 06/16/07 (1)
        
        RE: Johnny-come-lately - john.potis@comcast.net 17:11:46 06/16/07 (0)
- 112 dB!?! - mhardy6647 08:27:13 06/14/07 (9)
  - RE: 112 dB!?! - KlausR. 01:20:29 06/15/07 (5)
    - Geez, you still on this?? - john.potis@comcast.net 11:32:19 06/15/07 (3)
      - I made a serious mistake and nobody spotted it !!!!! - KlausR. 23:47:50 06/18/07 (2)
        
        LOL!! Start holding your breath... now!! - john.potis@comcast.net 07:02:46 06/19/07 (1)
        
        RE: LOL!! Start holding your breath... now!! - KlausR. 05:23:09 06/20/07 (0)
    - okay - Larry I 09:54:02 06/15/07 (0)
  - The point? 134dB is better. Right? ;-) nt - markrohr 12:53:17 06/14/07 (2)
    - RE: The point? 134dB is better. Right? ;-) nt - Ivan303 16:28:03 06/14/07 (1)
      - LOL! If only . . . - markrohr 08:27:51 06/15/07 (0)
- This one's for you, Klaus - Srajan Ebaen 02:59:48 06/14/07 (1)
  - That's food for another thread, not just a sidetrack - KlausR. 04:30:38 06/14/07 (0)
- Loud and proud is my philosophy... - Wellfed 22:12:07 06/08/07 (0)
- RE: 6moons "Mortars into bricks" - jcoe 18:02:15 06/07/07 (0)
- RE: 6moons "Mortars into bricks" - ramw 09:50:59 06/06/07 (0)
- He seemed dismayed by his experience, in general. I'd give him a pass on the watts thing. - Enophile 08:35:01 06/06/07 (6)
  - RE: He seemed dismayed by his experience, in general. I'd give him a pass on the watts thing. - john curl 11:17:36 06/09/07 (5)
    - Agree! The inherently superior small amp idea is so old school! NT - lancelot 15:32:11 06/14/07 (1)
      - RE: Agree! The inherently superior small amp idea is so old school! NT - john curl 14:57:29 06/19/07 (0)
    - On closer reading...an fyi - michaelavorgna 12:31:52 06/11/07 (0)
    - I glanced right past the La Scala part! - Enophile 20:43:35 06/10/07 (1)
      - RE: I glanced right past the La Scala part! - john.potis@comcast.net 05:24:55 06/13/07 (0)
- I feel so deprived. - Dave Pogue 07:25:09 06/06/07 (12)
  - Glad your happy - Robert Hamel 16:47:33 06/09/07 (0)
  - And, trust me folks,... - rlw 04:43:49 06/08/07 (10)
    - Richard, they won't believe you. - Dave Pogue 05:05:53 06/08/07 (9)
      - I believe you, but I am curious....... - Bruce Kendall 14:49:34 06/09/07 (4)
        
        The SET amps do 95+% of the work - Dave Pogue 18:24:26 06/09/07 (3)
        
        Nuffin' like a BIG PSU neiver! maaaaate! ;-) - Timbo in Oz 16:49:16 06/14/07 (0)
        
        RE: The SET amps do 95+% of the work - thetubeguy1954 12:14:17 06/12/07 (1)
        
        RE: The SET amps do 95+% of the work - Dave Pogue 12:54:59 06/12/07 (0)
      - I just goes to show you... - rlw 11:58:08 06/08/07 (3)
        
        RE: I just goes to show you... - Dave Pogue 12:20:33 06/08/07 (2)
        
        You guys sure you ain't misbehavin'?... - Wellfed 19:25:41 06/08/07 (1)
        
        S-ay E-verything is T-reble - jdouglas51 06:53:28 06/09/07 (0)
- You are right! - Larry I 04:55:06 06/06/07 (58)
  - RE: You are right! Well....... - Awe-d-o-file 16:01:09 06/08/07 (2)
    - RE: You are right! Well....... - Larry I 16:57:41 06/08/07 (1)
      - RE: You are right! Well....... - Awe-d-o-file 10:15:47 06/09/07 (0)
  - Well said - E-Stat 10:17:45 06/07/07 (0)
  - "Nimble" -- excellent word choice! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:02:44 06/07/07 (0)
  - But Klaus is right about the power required to reproduce real music sound pressure levels - DeccaDevotee 08:07:01 06/06/07 (2)
    - that was a NAD promotional piece that way overstated the requirements IIRC - Timbo in Oz 19:13:12 06/14/07 (1)
      - Not sure where NAD comes in was actually MF kWs - DeccaDevotee 07:28:43 06/15/07 (0)
  - From Art Ludwig's sound pages - KlausR. 05:37:36 06/06/07 (49)
    - Nice Listening Room - Larry I 08:06:12 06/06/07 (48)
      - RE: Nice Listening Room - KlausR. 23:59:04 06/06/07 (47)
        
        RE: Nice Listening Room - Srajan Ebaen 00:41:51 06/07/07 (46)
        
        There are compromises in everything including making good sounding, very highly efficient speakers. NT - lancelot 17:52:17 06/07/07 (0)
        
        Dynamic range - KlausR. 02:47:53 06/07/07 (44)
        
        Dynamic range... - mkuller 09:56:49 06/08/07 (2)
        
        Bob Katz' "Honor roll" - KlausR. 22:03:30 06/08/07 (1)
        
        Honor roll... - mkuller 13:17:10 06/09/07 (0)
        
        Okay, Let's use your numbers..... - Bob Rex 05:48:42 06/07/07 (37)
        
        RE: Okay, Let's use your numbers..... - KlausR. 07:57:22 06/07/07 (25)
        
        What do you mean you guess???? - Bob Rex 11:21:39 06/07/07 (1)
        
        RE: What do you mean you guess???? - KlausR. 05:19:13 06/08/07 (0)
        
        RE: Okay, Let's use your numbers..... - Srajan Ebaen 10:21:58 06/07/07 (21)
        
        Exposure to occupational noise... - KlausR. 10:35:56 06/07/07 (20)
        
        RE: Exposure to occupational noise... - Srajan Ebaen 21:51:30 06/07/07 (19)
        
        RE: Exposure to occupational noise... - Awe-d-o-file 16:22:28 06/08/07 (17)
        
        RE: Exposure to occupational noise... - john.potis@comcast.net 09:22:52 06/09/07 (16)
        
        Faithfulness to the original event - KlausR. 02:08:00 06/10/07 (10)
        
        RE: Faithfulness to the original event - RC Daniel 16:37:03 06/11/07 (1)
        
        RE: In what context was this stated? - KlausR. 08:10:08 06/12/07 (0)
        
        RE: Faithfulness to the original event - Larry I 11:07:32 06/11/07 (0)
        
        RE: Faithfulness to the original event - john.potis@comcast.net 05:50:28 06/10/07 (6)
        
        Re: Somebody else’s words - KlausR. 08:28:58 06/10/07 (5)
        
        RE: Re: Somebody else’s words - john.potis@comcast.net 09:12:53 06/10/07 (4)
        
        "You don’t have the experience to develop your own opinions." Ooh! That's strong. - clarkjohnsen 12:47:38 06/10/07 (3)
        
        RE: "You don’t have the experience to develop your own opinions." Ooh! That's strong. - john.potis@comcast.net 13:43:38 06/10/07 (2)
        
        RE: "You don’t have the experience to develop your own opinions." Ooh! That's strong. - Shiden Kai 17:09:45 06/15/07 (0)
        
        Eggs Ackley! nt - clarkjohnsen 13:45:03 06/10/07 (0)
        
        RE: Exposure to occupational noise... - Awe-d-o-file 10:28:10 06/09/07 (4)
        
        The Role of the Reviewer - jamesgarvin 09:40:53 06/13/07 (0)
        
        RE: Exposure to occupational noise... - john.potis@comcast.net 13:09:23 06/09/07 (2)
        
        RE: Exposure to occupational noise... - Srajan Ebaen 14:43:50 06/09/07 (1)
        
        "Well put, John. No wonder you're on staff." Warning: LOVEFEST! - clarkjohnsen 12:50:53 06/10/07 (0)
        
        RE: Exposure to occupational noise... - KlausR. 01:40:24 06/08/07 (0)
        
        Huh? What did you say? Can't hear you! (nt) - E-Stat 10:21:20 06/07/07 (0)
        
        not really a "loudness" or SPL debate.... - jim@signalpath 06:39:24 06/07/07 (10)
        
        I'd enjoy hearing your 'subjective analyses on relative sound quality'... - Wellfed 23:02:56 06/08/07 (1)
        
        I get in enough trouble as it is ;)) - jim@signalpath 16:35:59 06/14/07 (0)
        
        Ummm.... - Bob Rex 18:29:29 06/07/07 (1)
        
        RE: Ummm.... - jim@signalpath 10:02:00 06/08/07 (0)
        
        "Observing board protocols, I'll shelve subjective analyses." Huh?!! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:05:05 06/07/07 (2)
        
        RE: "Observing board protocols, I'll shelve subjective analyses." Huh?!! nt - jim@signalpath 10:54:10 06/07/07 (1)
        
        Got it! nt - clarkjohnsen 11:01:40 06/07/07 (0)
        
        Interesting Demo. - Larry I 07:27:45 06/07/07 (2)
        
        Hey, you're talking sound. Isn't this thread about numbers? nt - clarkjohnsen 10:06:45 06/07/07 (0)
        
        RE: Interesting Demo. - jim@signalpath 08:30:53 06/07/07 (0)
        
        Klaus: "CD has 96 dB... (etc)" refers to - Gregm 05:11:22 06/07/07 (2)
        
        RE: Klaus: "CD has 96 dB... (etc)" refers to - KlausR. 06:25:55 06/07/07 (1)
        
        More musings - Shiden Kai 13:53:47 06/09/07 (0)
POLL!!! - bushbison 17:22:05 06/05/07 (0)
A general question sparked by a specific Stereophile review: - Enophile 20:23:49 06/03/07 (13)
- RE: A general question sparked by a specific Stereophile review: - Awe-d-o-file 17:14:29 06/08/07 (0)
- more trees die, for a flying mole review? - jdouglas51 17:19:56 06/04/07 (3)
  - Fallacy - kavakidd 10:58:10 06/05/07 (1)
    - Indeed. But there are those who would put tens of thousands of farmers out of work. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:54:30 06/05/07 (0)
  - We live in the Garden of Eden, yeah.. - Wellfed 21:35:24 06/04/07 (0)
- It has been my experience - Bruce Kendall 10:47:14 06/04/07 (7)
  - Hey, amigo! OK, then... - Enophile 10:57:14 06/04/07 (6)
    - Thank you! I'm hoping to be out your way next month. - Bruce Kendall 12:01:11 06/04/07 (5)
      - I was sitting next to you at CES checking out the sound of the Flying Mole - Grover 08:56:06 06/07/07 (4)
        
        And given the quality of what we heard, - Bruce Kendall 11:18:12 06/07/07 (3)
        
        RE: And given the quality of what we heard, - unclestu52 12:29:03 06/07/07 (2)
        
        No Zetex recollections here. - Bruce Kendall 12:44:45 06/07/07 (1)
        
        RE: No Zetex recollections here. - unclestu52 02:22:04 06/08/07 (0)
some thoughts on polarity - truthseekerprime 14:03:10 06/03/07 (137)
- re:Polarity...a PLOT of "said" waveform - PeAK 06:28:40 07/11/07 (0)
- Afraid I agree with Dave Pogue, DG is easy to pick, for me - Timbo in Oz 17:10:48 06/14/07 (9)
  - IOWords a LOT of waht MATTERs to humans in getting music is about asymmetrical wave forms - Timbo in Oz 17:19:18 06/14/07 (8)
    - "Piano notes just don't have have a continuous tone - so how can we TELL it is one, eh? " - truthseekerprime 18:00:01 06/14/07 (7)
      - Some people can't hear stereo ever I've met 3,a nd they could only hear AP on phones on mono - Timbo in Oz 18:05:34 06/14/07 (6)
        
        RE: Some people can't hear stereo ever I've met 3,a nd they could only hear AP on phones on mono - truthseekerprime 07:03:16 06/15/07 (5)
        
        RE: Some people can't hear stereo ever I've met 3,a nd they could only hear AP on phones on mono - unclestu52 22:15:36 06/15/07 (1)
        
        RE: Some people can't hear stereo ever I've met 3,a nd they could only hear AP on phones on mono - truthseekerprime 11:14:55 06/16/07 (0)
        
        there's NO sustained part in a piano note, did you not get that! - Timbo in Oz 12:36:10 06/15/07 (2)
        
        You're the one with the problem in accepting AP - do bear that in mind - Timbo in Oz 13:01:03 06/15/07 (1)
        
        "We already have blind test results that show AP is audible. " - truthseekerprime 11:13:44 06/16/07 (0)
- RE: some thoughts on polarity - truthseekerprime 17:38:03 06/09/07 (2)
  - RE: some thoughts on polarity - unclestu52 23:04:11 06/15/07 (0)
  - If this is the case, - Dave Pogue 05:11:45 06/12/07 (0)
- Some interesting tests, but this is all irrelevant. Give me the ability to switch and I will decide myself. - Norm 06:43:34 06/06/07 (49)
  - Give it up, Norm; he reverts to photo-in-the-freezer, the default position on his audio-mind's Commodore. - clarkjohnsen 11:42:31 06/06/07 (46)
    - I would have expected you to be a staunch supporter.. - rick_m 14:15:34 06/06/07 (45)
      - Thank you! "The next step is surely to promulgate a body of knowledge." - clarkjohnsen 09:44:11 06/07/07 (2)
        
        Twenty years may be enough... - rick_m 13:13:40 06/07/07 (1)
        
        Thanks for the inspirational message -- in marked contrast to my various antagonists. - clarkjohnsen 09:40:07 06/08/07 (0)
      - RE: I would have expected you to be a staunch supporter.. - unclestu52 19:42:31 06/06/07 (41)
        
        RE: I would have expected you to be a staunch supporter.. - TomLarson 20:07:15 06/06/07 (40)
        
        RE: "don't think he's primarily concerned with selling books" - tlyyra 03:47:45 06/09/07 (1)
        
        RE: "don't think he's primarily concerned with selling books" - TomLarson 15:13:45 06/09/07 (0)
        
        Thanks! And you are correct, I am poor at "profiting". On the other hand... - clarkjohnsen 09:56:10 06/07/07 (37)
        
        Before I criticized you - unclestu52 02:45:02 06/08/07 (36)
        
        Just wondering, have you read the book? nt - TomLarson 19:16:19 06/08/07 (35)
        
        Yes ( nt ) - unclestu52 01:15:26 06/10/07 (1)
        
        RE: Yes - unclestu52 01:46:00 06/10/07 (0)
        
        Should we read the book? - tlyyra 04:38:19 06/09/07 (32)
        
        RE: Should we read the book? - TomLarson 09:05:52 06/09/07 (31)
        
        RE: Should we read the book? - truthseekerprime 09:47:46 06/09/07 (30)
        
        RE: Should we read the book? - TomLarson 11:04:58 06/09/07 (29)
        
        Oh they huff and they puff... and they blow themselves silly. You're right: Typical web ranters. nt - clarkjohnsen 12:54:40 06/10/07 (0)
        
        "a good number of the most vocal critics of the book have not read it." - truthseekerprime 11:22:31 06/09/07 (27)
        
        Quoting someone who doesn't like it is pretty lame in my opinion. nt - TomLarson 15:08:08 06/09/07 (26)
        
        What about quoting the author's statements on this forum... - truthseekerprime 15:47:42 06/09/07 (25)
        
        RE: What about quoting the author's statements on this forum... - TomLarson 17:35:32 06/09/07 (24)
        
        The "author" is perfectly happy having any of his statements here quoted. - clarkjohnsen 13:06:02 06/10/07 (1)
        
        RE: The "author" is perfectly happy having any of his statements here quoted. - TomLarson 14:00:49 06/10/07 (0)
        
        True, but limited. - rick_m 22:07:06 06/09/07 (21)
        
        "I owe Clark for my knowing about it." Thank you! Then my work here is almost done. - clarkjohnsen 13:07:52 06/10/07 (0)
        
        RE: True, but limited. - TomLarson 07:08:06 06/10/07 (19)
        
        "If you flipped the switch... and never heard anything..." It's all in the book! - clarkjohnsen 13:10:09 06/10/07 (0)
        
        "The fact that some speakers show it up more...that is a different set of questions in my mind" - truthseekerprime 09:07:22 06/10/07 (14)
        
        RE: "The fact that some speakers show it up more...that is a different set of questions in my mind" - TomLarson 13:53:49 06/10/07 (4)
        
        "What I can and cannot know is not something that you get to determine by fiat." He can try! - clarkjohnsen 08:20:09 06/11/07 (0)
        
        RE: "The fact that some speakers show it up more...that is a different set of questions in my mind" - truthseekerprime 14:22:46 06/10/07 (2)
        
        RE: "The fact that some speakers show it up more...that is a different set of questions in my mind" - TomLarson 15:40:24 06/10/07 (1)
        
        Good story! See, there are those who through their obstreperousness would hide the truth from us. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:21:48 06/11/07 (0)
        
        "How do you know...?" "How do you know...?" "How do you know...?" And now, the answer: - clarkjohnsen 13:25:59 06/10/07 (0)
        
        RE: "The fact that some speakers show it up more...that is a different set of questions in my mind" - unclestu52 11:48:05 06/10/07 (7)
        
        RE: "The fact that some speakers show it up more...that is a different set of questions in my mind" - TomLarson 13:58:20 06/10/07 (6)
        
        Sigh - unclestu52 22:45:16 06/12/07 (0)
        
        RE: "The fact that some speakers show it up more...that is a different set of questions in my mind" - truthseekerprime 11:48:22 06/11/07 (3)
        
        RE: "The fact that some speakers show it up more...that is a different set of questions in my mind" - TomLarson 17:47:28 06/11/07 (2)
        
        RE: "The fact that some speakers show it up more...that is a different set of questions in my mind" - truthseekerprime 20:55:38 06/11/07 (1)
        
        Finding some that don't cut it doesn't mean that none do. - TomLarson 22:00:25 06/11/07 (0)
        
        "If the hi end speakers we listen to are in the class of instamatic cameras..." Oh MAN! - clarkjohnsen 08:18:31 06/11/07 (0)
        
        RE: True, but limited. - rick_m 09:01:41 06/10/07 (2)
        
        Imagine that! We have an inquisitive soul! Certainly a pleasant change. I mean... - clarkjohnsen 13:17:02 06/10/07 (1)
        
        How do you know you're in correct phase? (NT) - unclestu52 12:41:24 07/11/07 (0)
  - RE: Some interesting tests, but this is all irrelevant. Give me the ability to switch and I will decide myself - truthseekerprime 07:40:51 06/06/07 (1)
    - I know it is not psychological although that too is quantifiable. The interesting question is why producers - Norm 19:02:10 06/08/07 (0)
- Some very good thoughts on polarity! - unclestu52 21:41:58 06/04/07 (3)
  - RE: Some very good thoughts on polarity! - truthseekerprime 12:14:02 06/05/07 (2)
    - RE: Some very good thoughts on polarity! - unclestu52 12:49:57 06/05/07 (1)
      - RE: Some very good thoughts on polarity! - truthseekerprime 14:06:13 06/05/07 (0)
- RE: some thoughts on polarity - truthseekerprime 10:41:27 06/04/07 (20)
  - "Reflections off hard surfaces invert the phase of sound waves." Really?! - clarkjohnsen 09:34:46 06/05/07 (6)
    - Ask him about reflections off openings in the room... - truthseekerprime 12:16:39 06/05/07 (5)
      - That wasn't the topic and you know it. You were WRONG; admit it, don't weasel out. - clarkjohnsen 12:23:26 06/05/07 (4)
        
        I'll admit I was wrong, if that makes you feel any better. -nt - Axon 21:24:37 06/05/07 (0)
        
        Umm.... - truthseekerprime 12:31:49 06/05/07 (2)
        
        "Did you bother to read anything I wrote?" Regrettably, yes. - clarkjohnsen 12:54:30 06/05/07 (1)
        
        At the very least,, - unclestu52 18:45:30 06/05/07 (0)
  - RE: some thoughts on polarity - rick_m 19:50:34 06/04/07 (12)
    - reflected waves - truthseekerprime 21:21:45 06/04/07 (11)
      - RE: reflected waves - rick_m 23:28:29 06/04/07 (10)
        
        "I'm hanging on to my belief that sound waves do NOT invert when bouncing off of solid objects." - truthseekerprime 07:59:23 06/05/07 (6)
        
        Wow! I'll own up to being wrong too. - Axon 21:23:17 06/05/07 (1)
        
        Ah shucks... - rick_m 22:35:34 06/05/07 (0)
        
        I agree... - rick_m 09:04:47 06/05/07 (3)
        
        RE: I agree... - truthseekerprime 12:44:52 06/05/07 (2)
        
        RE: I agree... - rick_m 16:32:53 06/05/07 (1)
        
        RE: I agree... - unclestu52 23:46:54 06/05/07 (0)
        
        RE: reflected waves - truthseekerprime 05:18:38 06/05/07 (2)
        
        RE: reflected waves - rick_m 08:31:33 06/05/07 (1)
        
        You're correct - see my post above - truthseekerprime 08:59:50 06/05/07 (0)
- "50 years of anecdotal evidence hasn't gotten anyone to take this seriously." Seriously? You're a laff riot. - clarkjohnsen 09:55:58 06/04/07 (14)
  - A very simple question - unclestu52 12:17:05 06/08/07 (0)
  - RE: "50 years of anecdotal evidence hasn't gotten anyone to take this seriously." Seriously? You're a laff ri - truthseekerprime 10:23:05 06/04/07 (9)
    - RE: "50 years of anecdotal evidence hasn't gotten anyone to take this seriously." Seriously? You're a laff ri - john curl 13:30:01 06/04/07 (1)
      - RE: "50 years of anecdotal evidence hasn't gotten anyone to take this seriously." Seriously? You're a laff ri - truthseekerprime 13:59:00 06/04/07 (0)
    - More lies. To them it was *all* about music, every name named. - clarkjohnsen 10:30:40 06/04/07 (6)
      - caught yet again - truthseekerprime 12:09:57 06/05/07 (2)
        
        By now you've figured out ... - Dave Pogue 12:47:57 06/05/07 (0)
        
        More lies, followed by more and more lies. Is it congenital, or constitutional, with you? nt - clarkjohnsen 12:14:59 06/05/07 (0)
      - Why is it, - unclestu52 21:16:36 06/04/07 (0)
      - RE: More lies. To them it was *all* about music, every name named. - truthseekerprime 10:34:21 06/04/07 (1)
        
        "You... misrepresent[ed] research on this subject." A TOTAL LIE. - clarkjohnsen 10:46:35 06/04/07 (0)
  - God, Clark, get a grip. He's not jj. -nt - Axon 10:20:15 06/04/07 (2)
    - Elsewhere it was stated, without contradiction, that he is. Anyway... - clarkjohnsen 10:24:29 06/04/07 (1)
      - RE: Elsewhere it was stated, without contradiction, that he is. Anyway... - truthseekerprime 10:35:39 06/04/07 (0)
- My favorite audiophile hobby quote: "We argue so violently because the stakes are so low." - Enophile 19:44:50 06/03/07 (10)
  - Uh--that's a steal from Henry Kissinger, believe it or not.... - Bill Leebens 18:24:53 06/07/07 (0)
  - Good Post -I agree NT - lancelot 07:46:34 06/04/07 (8)
    - Switches are not to be trusted. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:29:51 06/04/07 (7)
      - All switches or just some? And how do you know which ones? nt - KlausR. 09:41:34 06/04/07 (6)
        
        how do you know which ones? - unclestu52 21:47:05 06/04/07 (4)
        
        RE: how do you know which ones? - KlausR. 05:01:39 06/05/07 (3)
        
        RE: how do you know which ones? - unclestu52 16:51:59 06/05/07 (2)
        
        RE: how do you know which ones? - KlausR. 00:42:12 06/06/07 (1)
        
        RE: how do you know which ones? - unclestu52 03:05:43 06/06/07 (0)
        
        I listen. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:57:01 06/04/07 (0)
- RE: some thoughts on polarity - truthseekerprime 15:23:19 06/03/07 (1)
  - RE: some thoughts on polarity - TomLarson 17:02:52 06/03/07 (0)
- Audibility will depend almost entirely on the speakers used. - Dave Pogue 14:53:18 06/03/07 (19)
  - can you clarify? - truthseekerprime 15:26:21 06/03/07 (18)
    - RE: can you clarify? - Dave Pogue 16:22:34 06/03/07 (17)
      - There is a lot of misinformation about difference between polarity and phase. - Presto 11:47:13 06/04/07 (4)
        
        A very short list - unclestu52 21:24:54 06/04/07 (0)
        
        RE: There is a lot of misinformation about difference between polarity and phase. - truthseekerprime 12:26:57 06/04/07 (0)
        
        RE: There is a lot of misinformation about difference between polarity and phase. - Dave Pogue 12:06:46 06/04/07 (1)
        
        Thanks to all for the "real world" examples. - Presto 11:19:42 06/05/07 (0)
      - RE: can you clarify? - truthseekerprime 20:52:17 06/03/07 (11)
        
        Polarity and ESLs - Dave Pogue 04:23:15 06/04/07 (10)
        
        RE: Polarity and ESLs - truthseekerprime 06:51:14 06/04/07 (9)
        
        recordings - unclestu52 21:55:12 06/04/07 (0)
        
        Okay, here's the test CD. - Dave Pogue 09:53:45 06/04/07 (4)
        
        RE: Okay, here's the test CD. - truthseekerprime 20:19:17 06/04/07 (2)
        
        With respect to speaker-listening, - Dave Pogue 03:12:18 06/05/07 (0)
        
        Any track will do. - Dave Pogue 02:56:39 06/05/07 (0)
        
        OK, I'll try to get hold of that. - truthseekerprime 10:24:05 06/04/07 (0)
        
        This just in. - Dave Pogue 08:13:38 06/04/07 (0)
        
        RE: Polarity and ESLs - Dave Pogue 07:29:17 06/04/07 (1)
        
        RE: Polarity and ESLs - truthseekerprime 10:26:24 06/04/07 (0)
Rock Legend Ozzy calls Sanjaya of A Idol....... - Bill the K 05:52:11 06/01/07 (0)
Inaccurate vinyl reviews in TAS and Tracking Angle. - ruxtonvet 20:58:25 05/30/07 (15)
- Fremer hints that the original 'Blue' is very good... - Bung 13:54:13 06/04/07 (1)
  - "He chose not to correct the soundstage issues." How *would* one do that? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:04:07 06/05/07 (0)
- Try not to confuse opinion with a definitive fact. - Analog Scott 04:45:48 06/02/07 (6)
  - RE: You should try too! - Mel 06:06:00 06/05/07 (0)
  - However, reviewers, even record reviewers, can at times simply get it wrong. nt - TomLarson 08:23:58 06/02/07 (4)
    - I'm not saying you are wrong, reviewers are human too but what... - Analog Scott 11:18:47 06/02/07 (3)
      - RE: I'm not saying you are wrong, reviewers are human too but what... - TomLarson 17:47:19 06/02/07 (2)
        
        I would agree that "this is my opinion"... - David W. Robinson 12:39:45 06/03/07 (1)
        
        "Kindredness is at the heart of this relationship." You'd think more people would have realized this by now. n - clarkjohnsen 09:59:34 06/04/07 (0)
- It's entirely possible you were listening with incorrect polarity. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:07:27 05/31/07 (3)
  - See my post above, the soundstage is different from the original. n/t - Bung 13:56:58 06/04/07 (0)
  - Unless noted otherwise, it's possible the reviewers were as well. (nt) - soulfood 17:00:33 05/31/07 (0)
  - RE: It's entirely possible you were listening with incorrect polarity. nt - Wendell Narrod 09:40:41 05/31/07 (0)
- When they say "it's about the music" this is not what they mean....nt - TomLarson 21:30:18 05/30/07 (1)
  - RE: When they say "it's about the music" this is not what they mean....nt - tullman 09:31:09 06/10/07 (0)
Rod M, speaking as an AARP member... - Wellfed 20:46:00 05/20/07 (0)
I ABX'd absolute polarity! - Axon 09:35:36 05/18/07 (99)
- Careful! - bjh 18:28:52 05/24/07 (0)
- Re: I ABX'd absolute polarity! - rjd 12:40:01 05/20/07 (8)
  - Definitely! nt - clarkjohnsen 10:33:11 05/21/07 (7)
    - RE: Definitely you can hear it - PhillyB 05:40:29 05/23/07 (6)
      - PhillyB: Remote polarity on your SA-7S1? - Bob Stern 17:41:30 05/24/07 (3)
        
        Answered my own question - Bob Stern 18:30:43 05/24/07 (2)
        
        RE: Answered my own question - PhillyB 17:10:47 05/26/07 (1)
        
        Requires a computer-programmable remote - Bob Stern 18:26:05 05/26/07 (0)
      - Almost *anyone* can hear it -- if they're of a mind to try. Alas, there's the hitch. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:06:31 05/23/07 (0)
      - Well stated. nt - geoffkait 06:30:25 05/23/07 (0)
- I heard a rumor that - Bruce Kendall 12:33:45 05/20/07 (0)
- Good for you - unclestu52 18:43:13 05/18/07 (24)
  - The difference between P and B is that the vocal cords vibrate with the B. nt - TomLarson 18:53:09 05/20/07 (0)
  - My take is slightly different - Dave Pogue 05:57:08 05/20/07 (22)
    - Halcro DM10 has a remote polarity switch - Halcroman 21:34:17 05/21/07 (0)
    - db Systems has one - Atexanathome 16:16:09 05/21/07 (6)
      - Do you happen to know .... - Dave Pogue 14:30:41 05/25/07 (5)
        
        It's a DB-7 - Atexanathome 15:53:32 05/25/07 (4)
        
        RE: It's a DB-7 - john curl 10:01:51 05/26/07 (2)
        
        "We have been including absolute phase in our best designs for many decades." Sez it all! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:06:31 05/29/07 (0)
        
        RE: It's a DB-7 - john curl 14:40:01 05/26/07 (0)
        
        Thank you. I found the reference ... - Dave Pogue 16:39:46 05/25/07 (0)
    - RE: My take is slightly different - unclestu52 12:24:55 05/20/07 (0)
    - RE: My take is slightly different - john curl 10:32:02 05/20/07 (12)
      - I guess if it were easy to do, - Dave Pogue 11:14:55 05/20/07 (11)
        
        RE: I guess if it were easy to do, - john curl 13:27:39 05/20/07 (10)
        
        Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - tlyyra 04:35:51 05/22/07 (7)
        
        RE: Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - john curl 09:39:01 05/22/07 (6)
        
        RE: Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - tlyyra 10:19:54 05/22/07 (5)
        
        RE: Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - john curl 13:30:12 05/22/07 (4)
        
        RE: Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - tlyyra 14:13:20 05/22/07 (3)
        
        RE: Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - john curl 15:11:55 05/22/07 (2)
        
        RE: Re: "I happen to have a Porsche...and I have an Acura..." - tlyyra 04:08:00 05/23/07 (1)
        
        And how do you define character attacks that YOU make?? - robert young 05:26:54 05/23/07 (0)
        
        RE: I guess if it were easy to do, - Mike B. 13:06:07 05/21/07 (1)
        
        RE: I guess if it were easy to do, - john curl 14:47:46 05/21/07 (0)
- "Inversion was performed with foo_invert, a plugin of my own devising." Uh-oh. - clarkjohnsen 11:05:26 05/18/07 (62)
  - I never said that this was literature-worthy - Axon 12:03:51 05/18/07 (61)
    - Clark's double-blind, sorry, triple-blind tests - KlausR. 00:02:33 05/19/07 (60)
      - Re: Clark's double-blind, sorry, triple-blind tests - Pat D 19:54:37 05/20/07 (9)
        
        I really wish - unclestu52 12:41:15 05/22/07 (6)
        
        RE: I really wish - Ted Smith 13:10:32 05/22/07 (5)
        
        RE: I really wish - unclestu52 20:07:15 05/22/07 (2)
        
        I agree 100%. (nt) - Dave Pogue 04:58:19 05/23/07 (0)
        
        PS - unclestu52 02:15:19 05/23/07 (0)
        
        "Nuanced"? Who, me? [Blush] - clarkjohnsen 13:52:24 05/22/07 (1)
        
        "nip. nip. nip!" - unclestu52 18:16:03 05/22/07 (0)
        
        RE: distortion inherent in the LP medium and playback could make the polarity reversal more audible - KlausR. 01:55:25 05/21/07 (1)
        
        Also, tubed or single-ended amplifiers may have significant even harmonics... - Axon 06:58:02 05/21/07 (0)
      - Re: Clark's double-blind, sorry, triple-blind tests - john curl 13:36:43 05/20/07 (42)
        
        RE: Re: Clark's double-blind, sorry, triple-blind tests - john curl 10:07:16 05/21/07 (8)
        
        RE: Ignore it, and remain in ignorance! - KlausR. 06:40:10 05/23/07 (6)
        
        RE: Ignore it, and remain in ignorance! - unclestu52 13:32:34 05/23/07 (3)
        
        RE: Ignore it, and remain in ignorance! - KlausR. 00:02:38 05/24/07 (2)
        
        Pardon me, - unclestu52 02:49:53 05/24/07 (1)
        
        RE: Pardon me, - KlausR. 05:51:35 05/24/07 (0)
        
        RE: Ignore it, and remain in ignorance! - john curl 08:25:25 05/23/07 (1)
        
        RE: Ignore it, and remain in ignorance! - KlausR. 00:06:02 05/24/07 (0)
        
        "This was the LAW until fairly recent times." Gotta love those scientists and their "laws". - clarkjohnsen 10:20:39 05/21/07 (0)
        
        I consider mythbusting as useful, thank your for asking! - KlausR. 06:56:31 05/21/07 (31)
        
        "which results Clark refuses to provide for unknown reasons." Huh! Here I thought... - clarkjohnsen 10:01:35 05/21/07 (30)
        
        Where did I make ASSERTIONS ??? - KlausR. 01:55:21 05/22/07 (29)
        
        "Nobody will blame you." Now that's an assertion, and likely erroneous. - clarkjohnsen 10:56:57 05/22/07 (28)
        
        RE: The overall score was 84/137. Where do you get this? - KlausR. 22:12:25 05/22/07 (27)
        
        "you don't know what confidence levels in statistisc means." Take it up with Stanley, why don't you? - clarkjohnsen 10:04:00 05/23/07 (26)
        
        RE: confidence levels - KlausR. 00:21:09 05/24/07 (25)
        
        "Lipshitz made a mistake in his paper, that's all." No, that's not all. - clarkjohnsen 11:31:04 05/24/07 (24)
        
        RE: Heyser expressed an opinion... - KlausR. 21:56:48 05/24/07 (23)
        
        "He is not providing any evidence." No? How about the evidence of his ears? - clarkjohnsen 08:07:49 05/25/07 (22)
        
        I respect someone's convictions! - KlausR. 09:05:33 05/25/07 (21)
        
        The thread is about Lipshitz, and that's whom I was speaking of. Obviously. - clarkjohnsen 09:39:37 05/25/07 (20)
        
        answer the question, please - truthseekerprime 13:39:29 05/25/07 (6)
        
        RE: for music - jensw 11:27:19 05/26/07 (1)
        
        Too logical! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:11:45 05/29/07 (0)
        
        "Do Lipshitz' results demonstrate that polarity reversal is audible in music? Yes or no?" - clarkjohnsen 11:15:27 05/26/07 (1)
        
        just answer the question - truthseekerprime 14:51:40 05/26/07 (0)
        
        Sorry the sidetrack: Noticed same - can't find your recent posts. - tlyyra 15:21:55 05/25/07 (1)
        
        answer the question, please - truthseekerprime 21:26:54 05/25/07 (0)
        
        Thus spoke Lipshitz - tlyyra 12:50:07 05/25/07 (12)
        
        While I am well advised (by the moderator) not to respond to you... - clarkjohnsen 11:29:54 05/26/07 (11)
        
        RE: While I am well advised (by the moderator) not to respond to you... - tlyyra 14:05:09 05/27/07 (0)
        
        Yes or no? - truthseekerprime 14:49:32 05/26/07 (9)
        
        Why don't you take your problems up with *him*? - clarkjohnsen 13:34:58 05/27/07 (8)
        
        Sorry, but you've really lost all credibility now - truthseekerprime 21:01:10 05/28/07 (7)
        
        Told you: No more discussion until you rectify your blatant lies. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:05:26 05/29/07 (6)
        
        This is the Critic's Corner, not the Whiner's Woad, Clark. n/t - tlyyra 06:56:25 05/30/07 (4)
        
        RE: This is the Critic's Corner, not the Whiner's Woad, Clark. n/t - truthseekerprime 06:57:05 06/03/07 (1)
        
        Re: "An object lesson" - tlyyra 02:01:07 06/09/07 (0)
        
        Truth speaks severely to liars -- no wonder you hate it. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:23:09 05/30/07 (1)
        
        So bring us the truth... - tlyyra 01:05:45 05/31/07 (0)
        
        And how would you like me to do that? - truthseekerprime 12:43:47 05/29/07 (0)
        
        RE: Re: Clark's double-blind, sorry, triple-blind tests - tlyyra 15:25:55 05/20/07 (0)
      - I know "literature" when I see some - tlyyra 04:36:44 05/20/07 (4)
        
        Also note that the alcohol was only a definitive factor for the RME tests - Axon 11:30:20 05/20/07 (3)
        
        Intriguing research directions - tlyyra 16:13:48 05/20/07 (2)
        
        Caffeine has been shown to aggravate tinnitus... - SF tech 20:02:43 05/21/07 (1)
        
        I hear you, brother. Now, let's move on. - tlyyra 04:20:15 05/22/07 (0)
      - Re: 100 confidence level = infinity amount of +, and o -. NT. - jensw 00:04:22 05/20/07 (1)
        
        Bingo! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:57:37 05/21/07 (0)
Stereophile's new owner? - Jay 06:02:34 05/17/07 (9)
- I live 2 miles from Bonita Springs - jdarby 15:30:51 06/01/07 (0)
- Re: Stereophile's new owner? - Merlot_cat 20:09:32 05/19/07 (2)
  - RE: Re: Stereophile's new owner? - John Atkinson 16:14:20 05/20/07 (1)
    - J.A.- Thanks for your comments and Best of Luck (NT) - Merlot_cat 20:58:03 05/20/07 (0)
- Man that is *diversified*! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:30:13 05/17/07 (0)
- Re: Stereophile's new owner? - John Atkinson 09:26:29 05/17/07 (3)
  - Tough-looking stock chart... - Tom 15:30:48 05/18/07 (2)
    - Not unusual - Sherlock 15:54:46 05/20/07 (0)
    - Re: Tough-looking stock chart... - jdouglas51 18:34:27 05/18/07 (0)
At the Show: "Unhappily they were playing the Dvorak Cello Concerto (with Rostropovich) out of absolute polarity... - clarkjohnsen 13:20:31 05/14/07 (151)
- No doubt people were running out of the room screaming...(nt) - mkuller 11:22:12 05/15/07 (110)
  - Now I'm wondering how he could tell it was the Dvorak Cello Concerto (with Rostropovich.) Maybe he had a room libretto? - Enophile 11:34:26 05/17/07 (0)
  - Re: No doubt people were running out of the room screaming...(nt) - truthseekerprime 08:37:05 05/16/07 (106)
    - Just some background info about polarity - KlausR. 05:38:23 05/17/07 (69)
      - Sorry, doesn't prove a thing - Dave Pogue 09:02:12 05/17/07 (6)
        
        Re: Sorry, doesn't prove a thing - truthseekerprime 09:10:29 05/17/07 (5)
        
        Re: Sorry, doesn't prove a thing - Dave Pogue 09:38:30 05/17/07 (4)
        
        Hot Damn! - unclestu52 12:14:54 05/17/07 (3)
        
        Re: Hot Damn! - Dave Pogue 12:37:31 05/17/07 (2)
        
        Re: Hot Damn! - unclestu52 19:51:58 05/17/07 (1)
        
        Re: Hot Damn! - Dave Pogue 04:47:51 05/18/07 (0)
      - Re: Just some background info about polarity - truthseekerprime 07:46:06 05/17/07 (61)
        
        Large-scale tests were double blind - KlausR. 08:31:41 05/17/07 (60)
        
        Re: Large-scale tests were double blind - truthseekerprime 08:50:14 05/17/07 (59)
        
        "How can the vibrations of a guitar string have an absolute polarity?" They don't. - clarkjohnsen 09:32:26 05/17/07 (57)
        
        Whatever term you want to use. - truthseekerprime 09:42:50 05/17/07 (56)
        
        Are you simply missing, or deliberately avoiding the real point? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:48:45 05/17/07 (55)
        
        I don't know - what's the "real point" according to you? - truthseekerprime 09:58:20 05/17/07 (54)
        
        "According to [me]" has nothing to do with it. - clarkjohnsen 10:06:41 05/17/07 (53)
        
        the perception of polarity resides in the attack transient. - truthseekerprime 10:19:10 05/17/07 (52)
        
        "Whether it's compression or rarefaction depends on where the mic was placed," No, where the *ear* is placed. - clarkjohnsen 10:23:15 05/17/07 (51)
        
        "The mic is in loco auris, remember?" - yes, obviously - truthseekerprime 10:30:24 05/17/07 (50)
        
        Even though the positioning - unclestu52 12:07:14 05/17/07 (45)
        
        Re: Even though the positioning - truthseekerprime 13:04:00 05/17/07 (44)
        
        one more time - unclestu52 19:14:26 05/17/07 (43)
        
        Re: one more time - truthseekerprime 19:28:34 05/17/07 (42)
        
        Riddle me this - unclestu52 19:53:50 05/17/07 (14)
        
        What happens to the leading compression wave? - truthseekerprime 22:04:31 05/17/07 (13)
        
        Done that (speakers in reversed polarity) - unclestu52 23:33:11 05/17/07 (12)
        
        Re: Done that (speakers in reversed polarity) - truthseekerprime 06:25:30 05/18/07 (11)
        
        Re: Done that (speakers in reversed polarity) - unclestu52 18:05:29 05/18/07 (10)
        
        Re: Done that (speakers in reversed polarity) - truthseekerprime 20:46:04 05/18/07 (9)
        
        My apologies - unclestu52 00:54:47 05/25/07 (8)
        
        RE: My apologies - truthseekerprime 06:29:52 05/25/07 (7)
        
        RE: My apologies - unclestu52 13:58:34 05/25/07 (6)
        
        RE: My apologies - truthseekerprime 17:44:39 05/28/07 (4)
        
        several questions - unclestu52 21:24:35 05/29/07 (3)
        
        RE: several questions - truthseekerprime 22:11:43 05/29/07 (2)
        
        RE: several questions - unclestu52 13:30:24 06/01/07 (1)
        
        RE: several questions - truthseekerprime 14:24:11 06/02/07 (0)
        
        RE: My apologies - truthseekerprime 21:36:58 05/25/07 (0)
        
        Your model is too simplistic - Ted Smith 19:53:26 05/17/07 (26)
        
        That is correct, sir. Another aspect he neglects: - clarkjohnsen 08:45:51 05/18/07 (22)
        
        Strings on a guitar are not plucked back-or-forth, rather up-and-down. - truthseekerprime 16:11:49 05/18/07 (0)
        
        Yep, I can't believe the number of people that like to make pronouncements from on high... - Ted Smith 09:24:53 05/18/07 (20)
        
        Re: Yep, I can't believe the number of people that like to make pronouncements from on high... - tlyyra 11:59:43 05/18/07 (18)
        
        Re: Yep, I can't believe the number of people that like to make pronouncements from on high... - truthseekerprime 16:44:31 05/18/07 (15)
        
        The entire history of the topic (through 1987) is laid out in The Wood Effect, which... - clarkjohnsen 10:32:29 05/21/07 (9)
        
        When did I ever claim to have read your book? You're fantasizing. I didn't even know it existed until a few days ago. - truthseekerprime 14:21:16 05/21/07 (8)
        
        "When did I ever claim to have read your book? You're fantasizing." "Truthseeker" gets caught pants-down again! - clarkjohnsen 10:01:36 05/22/07 (7)
        
        Megalomania at work... typical. - truthseekerprime 10:34:06 05/22/07 (6)
        
        "Is that clear, or are you still confused?" You were caught, and you know it perfectly well. - clarkjohnsen 10:45:46 05/22/07 (5)
        
        OK, whatever you say... - truthseekerprime 10:52:41 05/22/07 (4)
        
        He confesses! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:32:28 05/23/07 (3)
        
        How old are you Clark? - Halcroman 21:46:42 06/04/07 (2)
        
        "You really act like a 5 year old!" With this, you distinguish yourself on your 35th AA post? - clarkjohnsen 10:43:17 06/05/07 (1)
        
        With this, you distinguish yourself on your 21665th AA post? - tlyyra 02:05:53 06/09/07 (0)
        
        Re: Yep, I can't believe the number of people that like to make pronouncements from on high... - Ted Smith 17:54:37 05/18/07 (4)
        
        Re: Yep, I can't believe the number of people that like to make pronouncements from on high... - truthseekerprime 20:40:50 05/18/07 (3)
        
        Re: Yep, I can't believe the number of people that like to make pronouncements from on high... - Ted Smith 20:56:02 05/18/07 (2)
        
        interesting - unclestu52 12:37:41 05/20/07 (1)
        
        RE: interesting - Ted Smith 12:47:45 05/20/07 (0)
        
        Re: Yep, I can't believe the number of people that like to make pronouncements from on high... - Ted Smith 15:27:58 05/18/07 (1)
        
        Re: Yep, I can't believe the number of people that like to make pronouncements from on high... - truthseekerprime 16:15:32 05/18/07 (0)
        
        "Truthspeakerprime" -- thas' funny, mon! Describes his dude 'tude perfectly. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:28:41 05/18/07 (0)
        
        Re: Your model is too simplistic - truthseekerprime 21:54:16 05/17/07 (2)
        
        "This was an ideal model." So, "ideal" = "incorrect". Interesting. nt - clarkjohnsen 08:41:54 05/18/07 (0)
        
        Re: Your model is too simplistic - Ted Smith 07:25:17 05/18/07 (0)
        
        "Obviously neither is better or more realistic." So wrong, so very wrong. - clarkjohnsen 10:47:38 05/17/07 (3)
        
        OK - game over - truthseekerprime 12:32:13 05/17/07 (2)
        
        "It's now clear..." Yeah, clear as mud, in your mind. - clarkjohnsen 08:32:54 05/18/07 (0)
        
        Keep up the thought experiments . . . - markrohr 05:25:55 05/18/07 (0)
        
        The paper gives an indication for a possible reason. (nt) - KlausR. 09:00:29 05/17/07 (