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Ping Peter Breuninger and JA - Ross 07:46:37 05/24/08 (2)
- RE: Ping Peter Breuninger and JA - Peter Breuninger 04:20:10 05/25/08 (0)
- IIRC, JA has replied before - John Marks 11:26:46 05/24/08 (0)
A new magazine - Bill the K 05:41:58 05/23/08 (18)
- Yeah, right..... - Steve Jones 09:49:35 05/27/08 (1)
  - RE: Yeah, right..... - Bill the K 20:58:38 05/27/08 (0)
- Korean Review of Moon CD5.3 - JoshT 08:06:17 05/24/08 (0)
- RE: A new magazine - Srajan Ebaen 12:05:55 05/23/08 (8)
  - PFO has been doing this... - David W. Robinson 13:14:31 05/23/08 (0)
  - RE: A new magazine - bjh 12:17:17 05/23/08 (6)
    - RE: A new magazine - Srajan Ebaen 12:38:52 05/23/08 (5)
      - RE: A new magazine - bjh 13:05:08 05/23/08 (4)
        
        No motive I'm sure. - MikeInSeattle 20:44:50 05/24/08 (3)
        
        What was so rude about my comment? - bjh 20:55:48 05/24/08 (2)
        
        RE: What was so rude about my comment? - MikeInSeattle 06:53:04 05/25/08 (1)
        
        Yes a flawed reading, no biggie, you're excused. nt - bjh 14:15:48 05/25/08 (0)
- if you pay me enough I'll be most happy to translate German = English - danny kaey 08:15:44 05/23/08 (4)
  - RE: if you pay me enough I'll be most happy to translate German = English - biased 20:00:08 06/02/08 (0)
  - damn CAPITALIST - hifitommy 23:08:42 05/23/08 (1)
    - Kapitalistische - suits_me 22:34:25 05/26/08 (0)
  - RE: if you pay me enough I'll be most happy to translate German = English - Brian Cheney 09:03:27 05/23/08 (0)
- So we can read another review of the JC2 and Magico M3? - Pjay 07:20:59 05/23/08 (0)
The prototypes that won a Golden Ear. - Bruce Kendall 11:17:54 05/21/08 (64)
- Would his activity have passed muster, minus the award? nt - clarkjohnsen 10:00:59 05/22/08 (10)
  - Bingo. This is a matter of perception vs. reality. - Bruce Kendall 11:22:52 05/22/08 (9)
    - Agree completely; thanks for saving me from having to write it out myself. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:26:08 05/23/08 (0)
    - Head-on-a-stick chanting... - mkuller 15:10:30 05/22/08 (1)
      - Now that is a different conversation, - Bruce Kendall 15:16:22 05/22/08 (0)
    - RE: Bingo. This is a matter of perception vs. reality. - jamesgarvin 11:58:34 05/22/08 (5)
      - Not really. TAS does not use the same operating parameters - Bruce Kendall 12:18:29 05/22/08 (4)
        
        RE: Not really. TAS does not use the same operating parameters - jamesgarvin 14:30:15 05/22/08 (3)
        
        Okay. I think we have to sort of agree to sort of disagree - Bruce Kendall 15:03:32 05/22/08 (1)
        
        Agreed, plus "look what an insider I am!" (nt) - mkuller 15:12:05 05/22/08 (0)
        
        Your post is at least twice as long as the TAS/JV mini-mention. - Dave Pogue 15:03:16 05/22/08 (0)
- RE: The prototypes that won a Golden Ear. - Sommovigo 04:36:02 05/22/08 (45)
  - Hey Valin can't do that... - mkuller 15:14:05 05/22/08 (0)
  - RE: The prototypes that won a Golden Ear. - jamesgarvin 10:29:00 05/22/08 (1)
    - RE: The prototypes that won a Golden Ear. - regmac 07:37:48 05/23/08 (0)
  - Not exactly unprecedented - John Marks 08:15:51 05/22/08 (40)
    - Hello John! - thetubeguy1954 10:14:01 05/22/08 (2)
      - It has happened, and it is bad for everybody, I think. - John Marks 11:28:02 05/22/08 (0)
      - RE: Hello John! - Sommovigo 11:00:13 05/22/08 (0)
    - RE: Not exactly unprecedented - jamesgarvin 09:24:46 05/22/08 (3)
      - I can't speculate as to other peoples' motives. - John Marks 09:52:19 05/22/08 (2)
        
        Sorry, I failed to mention... - jamesgarvin 10:03:31 05/22/08 (1)
        
        Don't Review Prototypes - hikejohn 10:54:53 05/27/08 (0)
    - RE: Not exactly unprecedented - Sommovigo 08:29:39 05/22/08 (32)
      - RE: Not exactly unprecedented - bjh 10:29:17 05/22/08 (26)
        
        RE: Not exactly unprecedented - Sommovigo 10:51:40 05/22/08 (25)
        
        RE: Not exactly unprecedented - bjh 11:01:52 05/22/08 (24)
        
        RE: Not exactly unprecedented - Sommovigo 11:15:11 05/22/08 (23)
        
        RE: Not exactly unprecedented - bjh 11:56:18 05/22/08 (5)
        
        RE: Not exactly unprecedented - Sommovigo 12:02:20 05/22/08 (4)
        
        RE: Not exactly unprecedented - bjh 12:16:51 05/22/08 (3)
        
        RE: Not exactly unprecedented - Sommovigo 12:31:10 05/22/08 (2)
        
        Oh my? - bjh 12:48:20 05/22/08 (1)
        
        Oy Vey. nt - Sommovigo 13:00:11 05/22/08 (0)
        
        Why is it a clear and very obvious impropriety - Bruce Kendall 11:55:04 05/22/08 (16)
        
        Gee, Bruce, where are your principles? - Dave Pogue 07:20:21 05/23/08 (1)
        
        Funny you should mention that tar. - Bruce Kendall 10:39:44 05/23/08 (0)
        
        RE: Why is it a clear and very obvious impropriety - Sommovigo 06:19:20 05/23/08 (13)
        
        Power and responsibility - John Atkinson 18:42:56 05/23/08 (3)
        
        RE: Power and responsibility - Sommovigo 07:12:01 05/24/08 (2)
        
        Back in the late Eighties, early Nineties... - clarkjohnsen 08:53:27 05/24/08 (0)
        
        RE: Power and responsibility - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 07:54:10 05/24/08 (0)
        
        A concrete example of this - Charles Hansen 13:21:15 05/23/08 (4)
        
        RE: A concrete example of this - DanHaan 12:32:45 05/25/08 (1)
        
        I fear you may have construed the 5-dealer rule's application - John Marks 14:59:10 05/25/08 (0)
        
        RE: A concrete example of this - Sommovigo 13:41:18 05/23/08 (1)
        
        RE: A concrete example of this - Charles Hansen 21:30:19 05/23/08 (0)
        
        Hmmmm.... - Bruce Kendall 10:45:43 05/23/08 (3)
        
        RE: Hmmmm.... - Sommovigo 11:02:19 05/23/08 (2)
        
        I went and checked it out, and - Bruce Kendall 11:25:58 05/23/08 (1)
        
        Woo Hoo! - Sommovigo 12:40:15 05/23/08 (0)
      - "A hirsute DIY prototype... frankenspeaker." You're hot today baby! nt - clarkjohnsen 09:57:26 05/22/08 (1)
        
        RE: "A hirsute DIY prototype... frankenspeaker." You're hot today baby! nt - Sommovigo 10:08:42 05/22/08 (0)
      - It is not a disagreement, but a matter of nuance - John Marks 09:13:30 05/22/08 (2)
        
        Mark 11 - lancelot 19:01:00 05/23/08 (0)
        
        It's a good thing... - David W. Robinson 10:01:43 05/22/08 (0)
  - Excellent Post! - Eric B 08:11:06 05/22/08 (0)
- RE: The prototypes that won a Golden Ear. - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 13:34:39 05/21/08 (6)
  - Can someone provide a link... - LarryB 10:30:25 05/23/08 (2)
    - RE: Can someone provide a link... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 10:35:10 05/23/08 (1)
      - RE: Can someone provide a link... - LarryB 10:46:59 05/23/08 (0)
  - RE: The prototypes that won a Golden Ear. - bjh 14:46:08 05/21/08 (2)
    - bravO! - hifitommy 19:52:05 05/21/08 (1)
      - RE: bravO! - DexysMidnightRunner 01:11:52 05/23/08 (0)
Calling John Marks - TGR 19:19:10 05/20/08 (6)
- They are up! - John Marks 17:05:56 05/28/08 (0)
- The plan is: ASAP - John Marks 09:20:03 05/21/08 (1)
  - RE: The plan is: ASAP - John Atkinson 04:01:07 05/22/08 (0)
- SORRY! - John Marks 19:36:45 05/20/08 (2)
  - Huh? - TGR 20:23:09 05/20/08 (0)
  - Umm . . . - Rufipennis 20:21:21 05/20/08 (0)
Pinging JA - LarryB 11:44:25 05/20/08 (2)
- RE: Pinging JA - John Atkinson 04:04:34 05/22/08 (1)
  - RE: Pinging JA - LarryB 09:41:07 05/22/08 (0)
A great piece of audio writing by Clark - Peter Breuninger 13:56:28 05/18/08 (71)
- A "D+" piece of audio writing by Clark - Bambi B 07:55:15 05/21/08 (12)
  - Is misspelling the same last name twice (differently) in one post supposed to be funny? N/T - carcass93 13:14:07 05/21/08 (1)
    - Yes, I see that- apologies to Peter Breuninger - Bambi B 13:37:12 05/21/08 (0)
  - Boy you have a burr in your ass. - clarkjohnsen 12:38:28 05/21/08 (7)
    - It takes more than perception and talent... - mpathus 20:55:36 05/21/08 (1)
      - Thanks... and thanks for "getting it" too. nt - clarkjohnsen 09:21:05 05/22/08 (0)
    - Yours is the cheap defensiveness of the grandiose amateur - Bambi B 13:28:30 05/21/08 (4)
      - Guess my revealing those false word counts of yours, and your deliberate misdirections... - clarkjohnsen 13:57:03 05/21/08 (3)
        
        Incorrect, the passages of mine you quote are the manner of how I write, not as I "talk" - Bambi B 14:14:56 05/21/08 (2)
        
        Dude! You don't like that word, do you? - clarkjohnsen 09:17:53 05/22/08 (1)
        
        Well, it was a thoughtful gift- much appreciated ! (nt) - Bambi B 11:03:13 05/22/08 (0)
  - Welcome to the Association of Clark Johnsen's Antagonists and Stalkers :-) nt - Rick W 09:45:23 05/21/08 (0)
  - Just the usual self-congradulatory BS from Clark - Feanor 08:02:04 05/21/08 (0)
- If he only could tame his strong tendency to navel-gazing, maybe he could write something interesting... (nt) - orejones 10:34:45 05/20/08 (1)
  - ummm-I'd say no. - powermatic 22:08:50 05/20/08 (0)
- No wonder his messages on the asylum,.. - DustyC 09:24:00 05/20/08 (1)
  - Thank you! And that's exactly true, about saving my energy. Funny thing, though... - clarkjohnsen 14:07:07 05/20/08 (0)
- Small world! - Scott Woebcke 20:56:02 05/18/08 (1)
  - An astonishing number of my readers turn out to have "known" Sheldon. - clarkjohnsen 10:48:29 05/19/08 (0)
- RE: A great piece of audio writing by Clark - rjd 20:40:40 05/18/08 (0)
- His moon-landing conspiracy stuff is a lot more fun. - powermatic 16:14:22 05/18/08 (7)
  - Again you are caught in a big fat lie. This is getting to be a regular thing. - clarkjohnsen 11:01:42 05/19/08 (1)
    - "caught in a big fat lie" - powermatic 11:44:04 05/19/08 (0)
  - Yup.... - unclestu52 16:48:29 05/18/08 (4)
    - Credibility of some of these TV stations - Bill the K 20:38:35 05/18/08 (3)
      - That can be very true - unclestu52 23:37:55 05/18/08 (2)
        
        RE: That can be very true - Time_Stands_Still 01:32:33 05/19/08 (1)
        
        Where was Bill Gates - Bill the K 09:35:39 05/19/08 (0)
- A very enjoyable - kavakidd 15:55:55 05/18/08 (0)
- RE: A great piece of audio writing by Clark - Mercman 15:46:07 05/18/08 (0)
- Sorry...I got about 1/2 way ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ - drums12344321@yahoo.com 15:28:48 05/18/08 (2)
  - You got half way? - Analog Scott 09:13:58 05/20/08 (0)
  - This seems to be catching - andy_c 15:32:33 05/18/08 (0)
- RE: A great piece of audio writing by Clark - lord addleford 14:22:57 05/18/08 (0)
- I agree. - Bruce Kendall 14:18:08 05/18/08 (36)
  - RE: I agree. - anthonyh 10:59:23 05/20/08 (35)
    - Ah, one of my favorite trolls/stalkers pops in. - geoffkait 10:07:59 05/22/08 (5)
      - RE: Ah, one of my favorite trolls/stalkers pops in. - anthonyh 06:04:46 05/23/08 (4)
        
        RE: "Stirring up controversy - that is not my intention." - geoffkait 06:25:03 05/23/08 (3)
        
        RE: "Stirring up controversy - that is not my intention." - anthonyh 07:34:34 05/23/08 (2)
        
        RE: "Stirring up controversy - that is not my intention." - geoffkait 08:06:03 05/23/08 (1)
        
        RE: "Stirring up controversy - that is not my intention." - anthonyh 09:18:33 05/23/08 (0)
    - "Johnsen's defense of... moon-landing hoax theories." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 13:21:52 05/21/08 (13)
      - RE: "Johnsen's defense of... moon-landing hoax theories." LOL! - anthonyh 08:35:35 05/22/08 (12)
        
        RE: "Johnsen's defense of... hoax theories." - unclestu52 21:41:35 05/22/08 (3)
        
        "Once worked for NASA" is not an automatic mantel of a crediable source. - Edp 07:54:17 05/27/08 (0)
        
        Clearly you are in on the conspiracies - Analog Scott 16:12:34 05/23/08 (1)
        
        Shhh............. - unclestu52 18:32:01 05/23/08 (0)
        
        "I don't recall ever being accused of LYING." Always a first time. - clarkjohnsen 09:42:20 05/22/08 (7)
        
        RE: "I don't recall ever being accused of LYING." Always a first time. - anthonyh 07:14:18 05/23/08 (6)
        
        OK, flattery gets you somewhere! - clarkjohnsen 10:54:42 05/23/08 (5)
        
        Of course it does. - Analog Scott 16:22:17 05/23/08 (4)
        
        It wasn't a "eulogy", it was a diary entry. - clarkjohnsen 08:46:52 05/24/08 (3)
        
        It was boring regardless of what you want to call it. - Analog Scott 10:49:34 05/24/08 (2)
        
        "Your magical combination of self dellusion of importance and greatness in tandum with your lack of talent..." - clarkjohnsen 10:41:16 05/25/08 (1)
        
        At least that was brief - Analog Scott 13:22:44 05/25/08 (0)
    - [Chuckle] Let's not take these things too seriously. - Bruce Kendall 15:29:49 05/20/08 (14)
      - "If someone sincerely believes that magical thingies do magical tricks..." LOL! - clarkjohnsen 13:30:46 05/21/08 (2)
        
        Clark, you have shown me a thing or two...... - Bruce Kendall 17:37:43 05/21/08 (1)
        
        What? Your wife is sic? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:19:29 05/22/08 (0)
      - RE: [Chuckle] Let's not take these things too seriously. - anthonyh 07:12:33 05/21/08 (10)
        
        "When hundreds of people are in on a hoax... how do you keep it a secret?" LOL! - clarkjohnsen 12:58:59 05/21/08 (3)
        
        Knowledge of use of photos from space was general knowledge in mid 1970's, who cares what the code name was. - Edp 09:12:27 05/26/08 (1)
        
        Yes the information leaked out in places, but as I happened to have worked on the program... - clarkjohnsen 08:46:43 05/27/08 (0)
        
        Hmmm , Project Corona was declassified - unclestu52 19:16:51 05/21/08 (0)
        
        I share your view - Bruce Kendall 09:18:03 05/21/08 (5)
        
        RE: I share your view - anthonyh 09:00:36 05/22/08 (1)
        
        I always say.... - Analog Scott 16:26:54 05/23/08 (0)
        
        "A broad NASA conspiracy would be impossible." May we take that as a definite? - clarkjohnsen 13:32:49 05/21/08 (2)
        
        Clark, we have been here before. - Bruce Kendall 17:34:58 05/21/08 (1)
        
        Then you gotta stop making absurd and unprovable statements! - clarkjohnsen 09:25:32 05/22/08 (0)
Would this amp qualify as a Sterophile A+ component? - cfcjb 17:53:52 05/18/08 (6)
- Well it is bleeding edge... - bjh 18:34:18 05/19/08 (1)
  - The day shall commeth when thou are listening... - cfcjb 22:38:12 05/19/08 (0)
- It like how much more black could it be, and the answer is none. None more black!!!nt - Dman 06:12:31 05/19/08 (1)
  - So very black that black turns to white and thus white is the new paradigm. (nt) - cfcjb 22:40:42 05/19/08 (0)
- Dunno, but two thumbs up ... - rbolaw 18:39:42 05/18/08 (1)
  - My favorite in the series is "Best in Show" -nt - E-Stat 08:50:27 05/19/08 (0)
June Stereophile - Wendell Narrod 10:51:42 05/16/08 (37)
- RE: June Stereophile - zako 16:37:52 05/17/08 (4)
  - RE: "Dudley is an absolute bore in the June issue" Not. - Bruce from DC 11:46:46 05/27/08 (0)
  - I enjoyed it and I always like his writing...... - Wendell Narrod 20:23:06 05/17/08 (2)
    - Agreed. - Bruce Kendall 10:59:44 05/18/08 (1)
      - RE: Agreed. - anthonyh 09:59:07 05/22/08 (0)
- What did you think of the little comic book section? - David S. 12:55:52 05/17/08 (24)
  - Late to post- but loved the E.C. parody - gd 19:38:20 05/25/08 (0)
  - Just saw it. My take? It's a "comic" but it wasn't particularly funny. As for JGH... - clarkjohnsen 11:03:33 05/20/08 (0)
  - RE: What did you think of the little comic book section? - standingstones 06:58:39 05/19/08 (0)
  - RE: What did you think of the little comic book section? - zako 07:19:13 05/18/08 (18)
    - RE: What did you think of the little comic book section? - bjh 08:45:18 05/18/08 (17)
      - RE: What did you think of the little comic book section? - anthonyh 10:08:08 05/22/08 (0)
      - RE: What did you think of the little comic book section? - John Atkinson 11:03:12 05/18/08 (15)
        
        One thing that I have learned at my advanced age of 51 is... - Merlot_cat 19:23:58 05/18/08 (7)
        
        RE: One thing that I have learned at my advanced age of 51 is... - zako 08:47:13 05/19/08 (0)
        
        RE: One thing that I have learned at my advanced age of 51 is... - cfcjb 20:07:16 05/18/08 (5)
        
        "Cats are odious creatures." You're referring to Romy, right? - clarkjohnsen 08:56:21 05/20/08 (0)
        
        "Merlot is a shit wine." That's good to know. With Ch. Petrus going for $1000 opening price... - clarkjohnsen 11:09:30 05/19/08 (3)
        
        My goodness... - bjh 14:47:21 05/19/08 (2)
        
        "I would have thought it impossible for one to miss the obvious humorous intent of cfcjb's post!"... - cfcjb 22:52:30 05/19/08 (1)
        
        Oh great, now you target the sick and the omnipotent with your attacks. - Analog Scott 10:56:00 05/28/08 (0)
        
        RE: What did you think of the little comic book section? - bjh 15:05:33 05/18/08 (6)
        
        RE: What did you think of the little comic book section? - John Atkinson 19:12:07 05/19/08 (4)
        
        RE: What did you think of the little comic book section? - anthonyh 10:34:13 05/22/08 (2)
        
        'Tis True, I am afraid - John Atkinson 04:10:47 05/23/08 (1)
        
        RE: 'Tis True, I am afraid - anthonyh 09:46:31 05/23/08 (0)
        
        I finally saw it this morning. - Bruce Kendall 10:46:18 05/20/08 (0)
        
        RE: What did you think of the little comic book section? - andy_c 15:30:26 05/19/08 (0)
  - Loved it. A little levity goes a long way in our industry. (NT) - JMCIII 13:31:50 05/17/08 (1)
    - I loved it also! Great idea. Kudos to whomever thought that one up. (NT) - Merlot_cat 19:20:41 05/17/08 (0)
- RE: June Stereophile - Budrew 15:47:20 05/16/08 (0)
- Yeah, yeah, rub it in. - Bruce Kendall 12:00:49 05/16/08 (5)
  - Can I butt in to your conversation - Grover 20:45:10 05/17/08 (1)
    - I was probably 40 - Bruce Kendall 10:11:59 05/18/08 (0)
  - RE: Yeah, yeah, rub it in. - jimmycj 09:06:30 05/17/08 (2)
    - To tell you the truth, - Bruce Kendall 10:55:19 05/17/08 (1)
      - Yes, but TAS reviewers have an ephinany an issue - Pinkus 15:46:08 05/17/08 (0)
Did Stereophile violate its own review policy in reviewing the Continuum Caliburn? - bjh 20:03:48 05/15/08 (9)
- RE: Did Stereophile violate its own review policy in reviewing the Continuum Caliburn? - Halcroman 23:15:00 05/15/08 (8)
  - RE: Did Stereophile violate its own review policy in reviewing the Continuum Caliburn? - zako 06:28:29 05/16/08 (0)
  - RE: Did Stereophile violate its own review policy in reviewing the Continuum Caliburn? - bjh 04:24:12 05/16/08 (6)
    - I don't think the 5 dealer rule has anything to do with this. - robert young 04:51:54 05/16/08 (5)
      - RE: I don't think the 5 dealer rule has anything to do with this. - bjh 05:05:20 05/16/08 (4)
        
        rules - robert young 06:25:42 05/16/08 (3)
        
        I tend to see both sides of the argument... - jamesgarvin 10:38:23 05/16/08 (0)
        
        RE: rules - bjh 07:44:33 05/16/08 (1)
        
        Please, bjh, edit BEFORE sending...;) - robert young 07:49:06 05/16/08 (0)
Just got the July Stereophile and it's the best issue yet -- much better than June - Richard BassNut Greene 08:13:13 05/14/08 (3)
- Depending on what you do with it, - Bruce Kendall 11:51:15 05/14/08 (0)
- Wow, did someone piss in your bile this morning? - Enophile 08:45:55 05/14/08 (1)
  - That's an easy one - he did, himself. As usual. N/T - carcass93 10:14:00 05/14/08 (0)
LOL! Just got the June Stereophile and saw Sam Tellig's column :-) - andy_c 14:45:48 05/13/08 (14)
- RE: chuckle - theaudiohobby 05:09:44 05/22/08 (0)
- Don`t tell me... - Guy F 05:03:18 05/14/08 (8)
  - RE: Don`t tell me...Sam's column in June - Bruce from DC 13:58:17 05/27/08 (0)
  - Agree with your observations --NT - lancelot 19:37:30 05/15/08 (0)
  - RE: Don`t tell me... - jdouglas51 07:46:18 05/15/08 (1)
    - "1" on your keypad, Sam. "2" on your keypad, the manufacturer. Vote now!!! (nt) - Guy F 06:11:30 05/16/08 (0)
  - RE: Don`t tell me... - Bill the K 20:36:56 05/14/08 (0)
  - RE: Don`t tell me... - rdf 13:26:43 05/14/08 (0)
  - I always thought those traits were consistency and personality. - Bruce Kendall 12:26:37 05/14/08 (1)
    - Yes, but reading them for the hundredth time? I guess familiarity breeds contempt. (nt) - Guy F 01:22:44 05/15/08 (0)
- can you be more specific,,, - Beejai 20:10:23 05/13/08 (3)
  - RE: can you be more specific,,, - andy_c 06:54:37 05/14/08 (2)
    - Congratulations! - rick_m 11:49:56 05/14/08 (0)
    - Thanks for your reply...nt. - Beejai 10:58:37 05/14/08 (0)
TAS Golden Ear Awards - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 07:26:52 05/10/08 (166)
- pity the unsuspecting WEALTHY people.... - hifitommy 19:11:21 05/15/08 (3)
  - RE: pity the unsuspecting WEALTHY people.... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 06:23:37 05/16/08 (2)
    - "products that are not mass produced. part of the bragging rights is that its unobtainium" - hifitommy 19:00:00 05/16/08 (1)
      - RE: "products that are not mass produced. part of the bragging rights is that its unobtainium" - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 07:42:13 05/17/08 (0)
- Mountain out of molehill. - Dave Pogue 17:07:56 05/14/08 (16)
  - RE: Mountain out of molehill. - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 06:41:37 05/15/08 (15)
    - RE: Mountain out of molehill. - Dave Pogue 07:12:27 05/15/08 (14)
      - RE: Mountain out of molehill. - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 07:21:24 05/15/08 (13)
        
        RE: Mountain out of molehill. - Dave Pogue 07:29:41 05/15/08 (12)
        
        Dave - JMCIII 16:02:07 05/15/08 (9)
        
        RE: Dave - Dave Pogue 16:32:50 05/15/08 (8)
        
        RE: Dave - J. Potis 17:17:10 05/15/08 (7)
        
        Okay, let's worst-case this thing - Dave Pogue 17:43:04 05/15/08 (6)
        
        Life and Death?? - J. Potis 17:47:43 05/15/08 (5)
        
        RE: Life and Death?? - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 09:49:42 05/16/08 (4)
        
        I'm glad you agree it's a tempest in a teapot. - Dave Pogue 11:49:11 05/16/08 (3)
        
        Dave, you call this transgression "a tempest in a tea pot" - JMCIII 17:03:24 05/16/08 (2)
        
        No, ELLIOTT called it a tempest in a teapot. - Dave Pogue 17:19:29 05/16/08 (1)
        
        RE: No, ELLIOTT called it a tempest in a teapot. - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 07:35:53 05/17/08 (0)
        
        I haven't seen it yet. - Bruce Kendall 15:05:43 05/15/08 (0)
        
        RE: Mountain out of molehill. - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 07:42:40 05/15/08 (0)
- RE: TAS Golden Ear Awards - hikejohn 18:30:38 05/12/08 (29)
  - No, you defamed people--you called them incompetent and corrupt - John Marks 09:07:22 05/13/08 (28)
    - In advertising supported magazines the purpose of reviewers is: Get excited about new toys & entertain readers - Richard BassNut Greene 08:25:34 05/14/08 (2)
      - And the purpose of your trolling posts, Mr. Nut? (nt) - mkuller 14:43:09 05/14/08 (0)
      - You're slipping, surely you meant to say that... - rick_m 08:44:07 05/14/08 (0)
    - RE: No, you defamed people--you called them incompetent and corrupt - zako 12:31:36 05/13/08 (0)
    - RE: No, you defamed people--you called them incompetent and corrupt - hikejohn 12:22:27 05/13/08 (23)
      - Again: you defamed people--you called them incompetent and corrupt - John Marks 12:48:20 05/13/08 (22)
        
        "Again: you defamed people" ........ "Dear Mr. Passive Aggressive" = you're quite the jokester! - Richard BassNut Greene 08:35:01 05/14/08 (0)
        
        RE: Again: you defamed people--you called them incompetent and corrupt - hikejohn 13:54:58 05/13/08 (20)
        
        RE: Again: you defamed people--you called them incompetent and corrupt - hikejohn 19:25:49 05/13/08 (0)
        
        Oh, C'mon... - J. Potis 14:43:56 05/13/08 (18)
        
        Hikejohn's original post - JNS 07:45:44 05/14/08 (13)
        
        The post does have a problem - lancelot 10:28:30 05/16/08 (6)
        
        RE: The post does have a problem - Maric 20:32:32 05/16/08 (5)
        
        RE: The post does have a problem - Pat D 03:21:57 05/18/08 (4)
        
        nice to be beyond all that, isn't it Pat? (nt) - robert young 12:32:19 05/18/08 (3)
        
        I beg your pardon! - Pat D 14:00:28 05/18/08 (2)
        
        Dear Pat, YOU didn't claim it, I claimed it for you! - robert young 14:05:36 05/18/08 (1)
        
        Yep. you've now stated it more generally. - Pat D 16:03:11 05/20/08 (0)
        
        RE: Hikejohn's original post - Maric 20:58:34 05/14/08 (2)
        
        Excellent post! - JNS 07:58:05 05/15/08 (1)
        
        Disagree...which should be allowed, no? - robert young 06:16:12 05/17/08 (0)
        
        RE: Hikejohn's original post - J. Potis 14:25:33 05/14/08 (2)
        
        RE: Hikejohn's original post - hikejohn 09:45:58 05/15/08 (0)
        
        RE: Hikejohn's original post - JNS 08:54:27 05/15/08 (0)
        
        RE: Oh, C'mon... - hikejohn 15:17:59 05/13/08 (3)
        
        RE: Oh, C'mon... - hikejohn 19:53:33 05/13/08 (2)
        
        I am sure Mr. Atkinson will sleep better with that knowledge. - Bruce Kendall 11:53:52 05/14/08 (0)
        
        Maybe you ought to... - robert young 06:21:23 05/14/08 (0)
- Omitted from all below: What if they really do sound great? Who here knows? - clarkjohnsen 10:18:59 05/12/08 (13)
  - RE: Omitted from all below: What if they really do sound great? Who here knows? - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 16:23:22 05/12/08 (1)
    - Not read it yet. But look, I called the whole thing "preposterous". What more do you want? nt - clarkjohnsen 07:32:54 05/13/08 (0)
  - RE: Omitted from all below: What if they really do sound great? Who here knows? - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 11:34:56 05/12/08 (1)
    - I agree with you... - bjh 12:18:06 05/12/08 (0)
  - I have no problem with talking about such a product, - Bruce Kendall 11:24:15 05/12/08 (0)
  - Mention, yes. A GE to a prototype, NO! - JMCIII 10:35:27 05/12/08 (7)
    - "Even you wouldn't go that far (would you?)." Dude! Read what I wrote. - clarkjohnsen 10:55:57 05/12/08 (6)
      - Clark - JMCIII 04:05:17 05/13/08 (2)
        
        Amidst all the chaff and static I get, your intentions got drowned. Sorry! nt - clarkjohnsen 14:14:57 05/13/08 (1)
        
        As I said, we'll blame the internet. ;-) nt - JMCIII 14:22:08 05/13/08 (0)
      - "Looks misplaced"... - mkuller 12:33:50 05/12/08 (2)
        
        The challenge - E-Stat 17:23:45 05/12/08 (1)
        
        Exactly - handwired point to point, etc... - mkuller 17:43:34 05/12/08 (0)
- 'everyone's a winner'-hot chocolate - jdouglas51 06:50:38 05/12/08 (1)
  - RE: 'everyone's a winner'-hot chocolate - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 11:40:05 05/12/08 (0)
- A quick word about awards - John N 11:59:10 05/11/08 (0)
- When awarding the "Absolute", I see nothing wrong with awarding a prototype - Bambi B 09:54:57 05/11/08 (7)
  - Prototype versus reproducible product - hikejohn 19:47:04 05/28/08 (0)
  - Many good points! - bjh 17:14:29 05/11/08 (1)
    - Wow. -t - Bruce Kendall 19:16:47 05/12/08 (0)
  - RE: When awarding the "Absolute", I see nothing wrong with awarding a prototype - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 13:10:44 05/11/08 (0)
  - Good advocacy, bad public policy. - John Marks 10:37:47 05/11/08 (2)
    - "You can just load your trunk with a bottle or three of Petrus or The Grange." Oh, BURN! But... - clarkjohnsen 10:14:49 05/12/08 (0)
    - RE: Good advocacy, bad public policy. - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 13:13:06 05/11/08 (0)
- RE: TAS Golden Ear Awards - zako 07:28:04 05/11/08 (0)
- RE: TAS Golden Ear Awards - bogartg 19:22:41 05/10/08 (0)
- What a surprise! - Charles Hansen 10:54:20 05/10/08 (24)
  - RE: What a surprise! - Mercman 10:23:32 05/11/08 (0)
  - Alright, - Bruce Kendall 11:28:03 05/10/08 (21)
    - And Medieval robes! I want a Medieval robe! - John Marks 12:50:09 05/10/08 (20)
      - Not a bad approach, IMO. - Jim Austin 14:49:06 05/11/08 (19)
        
        RE: Not a bad approach, IMO. - rick_m 12:40:14 05/12/08 (2)
        
        RE: Not a bad approach, IMO. - Jim Austin 12:59:44 05/12/08 (1)
        
        RE: Not a bad approach, IMO. - rick_m 14:03:02 05/12/08 (0)
        
        RE: Not a bad approach, IMO. - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 11:48:47 05/12/08 (15)
        
        Only a dealer... - Jim Austin 12:02:30 05/12/08 (14)
        
        RE: Only a dealer... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 16:20:09 05/12/08 (13)
        
        RE: Only a dealer... - Jim Austin 16:30:08 05/12/08 (12)
        
        RE: Only a dealer... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 16:51:58 05/12/08 (11)
        
        RE: Only a dealer... - jamesgarvin 08:35:40 05/13/08 (7)
        
        RE: Only a dealer... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 09:32:24 05/13/08 (6)
        
        RE: Only a dealer... - jamesgarvin 13:32:40 05/13/08 (5)
        
        RE: Only a dealer... - Charles Hansen 22:19:45 05/13/08 (4)
        
        RE: Only a dealer... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 06:38:02 05/14/08 (3)
        
        RE: Only a dealer... - jamesgarvin 12:56:57 05/14/08 (2)
        
        RE: Only a dealer... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 13:06:59 05/14/08 (1)
        
        RE: Only a dealer... - jamesgarvin 09:59:41 05/15/08 (0)
        
        Well if it was a joke... - Jim Austin 17:18:10 05/12/08 (2)
        
        How old again? ;~) -t - Bruce Kendall 17:44:06 05/12/08 (0)
        
        RE: Well if it was a joke... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 17:30:31 05/12/08 (0)
  - Not sure "unscrupulous" is the word... "preposterous" would work better. nt - clarkjohnsen 11:22:02 05/10/08 (0)
- So, what was it??? nt - clarkjohnsen 10:17:51 05/10/08 (4)
  - RE: So, what was it??? nt - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 10:47:35 05/10/08 (3)
    - So, what was it??? nt - clarkjohnsen 11:17:43 05/10/08 (2)
      - Was it the Scaenas? If so, Harry said, "I am not through with these speakers." Not... - clarkjohnsen 11:34:15 05/10/08 (1)
        
        RE: Was it the Scaenas? If so, Harry said, "I am not through with these speakers." Not... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 11:41:20 05/10/08 (0)
- I don't think it is fair or appropriate - Bruce Kendall 09:58:30 05/10/08 (57)
  - I haven't gotten my copy either, but I'll bet it was for .... - JMCIII 13:13:10 05/10/08 (8)
    - I'll go ahead and indulge in some premature speculation - Charles Hansen 13:28:49 05/10/08 (1)
      - RE: I'll go ahead and indulge in some premature speculation - hikejohn 18:42:25 05/12/08 (0)
    - RE: I haven't gotten my copy either, but I'll bet it was for .... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 13:21:14 05/10/08 (5)
      - As Gomer Pyle used to say.... - Charles Hansen 13:35:15 05/10/08 (4)
        
        Maybe he will review the next designer's concept - while still in the designer's head.nt - jamesgarvin 14:05:47 05/12/08 (0)
        
        RE: As Gomer Pyle used to say.... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 13:39:05 05/10/08 (2)
        
        RE: As Gomer Pyle used to say.... - Charles Hansen 13:41:40 05/10/08 (1)
        
        RE: As Gomer Pyle used to say.... - DustyC 22:43:55 05/10/08 (0)
  - Well, the Audiophile Reality TV show version - Flatmap 11:50:15 05/10/08 (3)
    - You might be on to something there! - Bruce Kendall 12:05:32 05/10/08 (1)
      - And then there was the review... - mkuller 16:34:55 05/10/08 (0)
    - RE: Well, the Audiophile Reality TV show version - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 11:57:34 05/10/08 (0)
  - RE: I don't think it is fair or appropriate - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 10:39:15 05/10/08 (43)
    - Lots of money being made in audio review publications! - mkuller 11:23:15 05/10/08 (9)
      - RE: Lots of money being made in audio review publications! - John Atkinson 13:22:58 05/10/08 (1)
        
        RE: Lots of money being made in audio review publications! - David W. Robinson 13:56:38 05/10/08 (0)
      - RE: Lots of money being made in audio review publications! - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 11:36:55 05/10/08 (3)
        
        Inaccurate numbers - Charles Hansen 13:18:12 05/10/08 (2)
        
        RE: Inaccurate numbers - John Atkinson 13:30:55 05/10/08 (1)
        
        RE: Inaccurate numbers - Charles Hansen 13:37:44 05/10/08 (0)
      - Your moniker looks weird - Bruce Kendall 11:30:32 05/10/08 (2)
        
        It can stand for much more than merely "audiophile"...(nt) - mkuller 11:32:06 05/10/08 (1)
        
        I know. The same holds true with the "D". - Bruce Kendall 11:37:46 05/10/08 (0)
    - Hmmmmm..... - Bruce Kendall 11:22:17 05/10/08 (32)
      - RE: Hmmmmm..... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 11:39:25 05/10/08 (31)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - John Atkinson 13:15:14 05/10/08 (30)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - jdza 03:39:48 05/11/08 (25)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - John Atkinson 12:54:00 05/11/08 (24)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - jdza 14:46:29 05/11/08 (23)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - Sommovigo 18:42:18 05/12/08 (19)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - jdza 22:35:16 05/12/08 (18)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - Sommovigo 05:54:23 05/13/08 (17)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - jdza 07:22:11 05/13/08 (16)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - Sommovigo 08:17:35 05/13/08 (15)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - jdza 11:38:21 05/13/08 (14)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - Sommovigo 12:06:22 05/13/08 (13)
        
        Apples, oranges, and apples... - jamesgarvin 15:02:30 05/13/08 (12)
        
        RE: Apples, oranges, and apples... and pomegranates - Sommovigo 15:18:28 05/13/08 (11)
        
        RE: Apples, oranges, and apples... and pomegranates - jdza 21:24:16 05/13/08 (1)
        
        RE: Apples, oranges, and apples... and pomegranates - Sommovigo 04:30:33 05/14/08 (0)
        
        No need for JA to chime in! - bjh 17:30:21 05/13/08 (8)
        
        RE: No need for JA to chime in! - Sommovigo 17:58:05 05/13/08 (7)
        
        Seems you're not up to answering a simple question. Oh well. nt - bjh 18:02:14 05/13/08 (6)
        
        Chill out and compare ... - Sommovigo 18:19:09 05/13/08 (5)
        
        RE: Chill out and compare ... - bjh 18:52:45 05/13/08 (4)
        
        RE: Chill out and compare ... - Sommovigo 19:05:46 05/13/08 (3)
        
        RE: Chill out and compare ... - bjh 19:43:05 05/13/08 (2)
        
        RE: Chill out and compare ... - Sommovigo 19:50:20 05/13/08 (1)
        
        RE: Chill out and compare ... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 07:16:59 05/14/08 (0)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - John Atkinson 15:52:10 05/11/08 (2)
        
        Ah yes! He did miss the answer didn't he! - bjh 19:50:37 05/12/08 (0)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - jdza 16:34:19 05/11/08 (0)
        
        RE: Hmmmmm..... - elliot@frontrowtheater.com 13:18:47 05/10/08 (3)
        
        But if Helen Keller falls in the woods and there is nobody near to hear... . - John Marks 14:11:30 05/10/08 (2)
        
        Better question - JMCIII 15:14:37 05/10/08 (1)
        
        She'd feel the subwoofers through her feet. - John Marks 15:59:49 05/10/08 (0)
Hikejohn's post has been removed?! - JNS 14:36:12 05/06/08 (6)
- RE: Hikejohn's post has been removed?! - Rod M 08:59:50 05/07/08 (0)
- The entire thread has been stolen and moved to another website ... - Richard BassNut Greene 08:15:58 05/07/08 (0)
- That, and others. (nt) - cdb 20:15:42 05/06/08 (0)
- RE: Hikejohn's post has been removed?! - John Atkinson 17:25:51 05/06/08 (2)
  - RE: Hikejohn's post has been removed?! - JNS 06:08:34 05/07/08 (1)
    - "A question: can a troll be a troll if he doesnt know that he is trolling?" - bjh 08:43:07 05/07/08 (0)
One of the regulars here makes transition from Outer Space to Hyper Space! - bjh 18:16:20 05/04/08 (7)
- Holy Crap!! The moment bjh calls me "eminently sensible" - J. Potis 18:43:25 05/04/08 (6)
  - You realize there's no such thing as "photo in the fridge tweak"? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:30:19 05/05/08 (5)
    - Maybe not now, but the day aint over yet! nt - J. Potis 09:43:32 05/05/08 (4)
      - You sayin' I should try it, just to live up to my (false) reputation? nt - clarkjohnsen 09:58:32 05/05/08 (1)
        
        I thought it was my first assignment! nt - J. Potis 10:02:58 05/05/08 (0)
      - When in Rome! - bjh 09:46:11 05/05/08 (1)
        
        That's OK... I have to confess.. - J. Potis 10:10:15 05/05/08 (0)
Here's a true story for your consideration...and comments. - Tom 12:05:27 04/28/08 (28)
- So if it's true, when and where did this happen? - suits_me 01:05:30 05/07/08 (0)
- Like it or not, that's exactly what restaurant critics do. nt - clarkjohnsen 10:03:14 04/30/08 (13)
  - Well, not "exactly." - regmac 13:01:22 04/30/08 (11)
    - That doesn't matter! - Analog Scott 21:25:24 05/01/08 (4)
      - What does matter - regmac 07:31:11 05/02/08 (3)
        
        RE: What does matter - Analog Scott 13:49:51 05/02/08 (2)
        
        RE: What does matter - regmac 08:06:19 05/03/08 (1)
        
        RE: What does matter - Analog Scott 20:43:24 05/06/08 (0)
    - But that assumes that the story is true as told - Bruce Kendall 14:27:27 04/30/08 (4)
      - Why would I make crap like this up? - Tom 17:33:20 04/30/08 (3)
        
        I am not accusing you. To wit: - Bruce Kendall 18:29:18 04/30/08 (2)
        
        RE: I am not accusing you. To wit: - Tom 19:38:50 04/30/08 (1)
        
        I wasn't trying to insult you, so I am sorry for that. - Bruce Kendall 11:29:52 05/01/08 (0)
    - Correct; the audio reviewer is deceptively representing himself as a retail customer... - Steve Parry 14:05:12 04/30/08 (0)
  - RE: Like it or not, that's exactly what restaurant critics do. nt - Tom 10:20:20 04/30/08 (0)
- Sleazy and lazy...zzzzz(nt) - mkuller 15:19:30 04/29/08 (0)
- A good review; consider it free advertising. A bad review; a nail in a coffin... nt - Dman 05:06:58 04/29/08 (0)
- RE: Here's a true story for your consideration...and comments. - hahax@verizon.net 21:19:31 04/28/08 (1)
  - Undercover investigating is not dishonest - Analog Scott 06:27:09 05/02/08 (0)
- i would be pist IF... - hifitommy 19:43:19 04/28/08 (1)
  - RE: i would be pist IF... - Tom 10:26:47 04/30/08 (0)
- RE: Here's a true story for your consideration...and comments. - oddiophile 17:39:03 04/28/08 (0)
- It's not a review in the classic sense... - Steve Parry 13:27:21 04/28/08 (0)
- A bit unprofessional, but good for everybody. - carcass93 13:25:11 04/28/08 (0)
- I remember reading something similar to that, - Bruce Kendall 13:02:46 04/28/08 (0)
- I say good . . . - Pjay 12:31:04 04/28/08 (0)
- RE: Here's a true story for your consideration...and comments. - zane9 12:29:07 04/28/08 (1)
  - So as not to impugn - Tom 13:23:52 04/28/08 (0)
Are there reviewers who buy speakers off ...... - Bill the K 10:03:23 04/26/08 (2)
- It's been done. - Bruce Kendall 11:15:57 04/26/08 (1)
  - still have the speakers.... - Sue Kraft 07:58:05 04/30/08 (0)
I very nearly can't believe I'm saying this but - bjh 21:25:29 04/25/08 (3)
- Could you be more specific? - Charles Hansen 22:37:46 04/25/08 (2)
  - I just found the review to be a good read, that's all. - bjh 06:54:47 04/26/08 (1)
    - Agreed - Craiger56 16:25:41 04/26/08 (0)
Room correction - Pjay 09:55:08 04/21/08 (18)
- Room correction can only be done by preventing/absorbing reflections off room surfaces - Richard BassNut Greene 08:56:15 04/24/08 (14)
  - "something that has not worked very well beyond the bass frequencies" - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 18:39:14 04/24/08 (1)
    - "If you're sitting in the middle of a square room, your bass reproduction is not going to be good " - Richard BassNut Greene 09:04:45 04/25/08 (0)
  - "Audio Amish?" - Rob Doorack 14:30:59 04/24/08 (6)
    - RE: "Audio Amish?" - theaudiohobby 11:45:51 04/25/08 (0)
    - Ask Dad an arithmetic question and you get a 95 minute lecture on the history of math - Richard BassNut Greene 09:15:26 04/25/08 (4)
      - So because the Amish are pacifists, that gives you license to insult their religion? - Rob Doorack 10:44:54 04/25/08 (3)
        
        "Audio Amish" was a funny way to describe "Give me vinyl and tubes or give me death" audiophiles - Richard BassNut Greene 09:26:56 04/29/08 (0)
        
        great names for punk bands - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 17:54:13 04/25/08 (1)
        
        The Audio Catholics could open for Big Audio Dynamite and Audioslave (nt) - Rob Doorack 16:42:36 04/27/08 (0)
  - LOL! A flat-earther calling others "audio Amish"...(nt) - mkuller 11:19:40 04/24/08 (4)
    - It is ironic, but also incredibly pitiable too, you gotta feel sorry for RBNG -t - Sordidman 15:46:29 04/25/08 (2)
      - no I can't feel sorry for him - Analog Scott 17:27:45 05/02/08 (1)
        
        his lack of knowledge, experience, and ability to reason -t - Sordidman 14:54:36 05/06/08 (0)
    - Think of the ramifications.... - Bruce Kendall 18:50:12 04/24/08 (0)
- For me, manual - rp1@surfnetusa.com 20:59:28 04/22/08 (0)
- Room Correction - thetubeguy1954 12:35:32 04/21/08 (1)
  - RE: Room Correction - Pjay 13:47:28 04/21/08 (0)
Fuirst time Audiogon/Paypal problem. What's next? - Rouvin 09:44:27 04/18/08 (0)
About the last 100 posts here should be on whiner's wog IMO nt - Norm 17:38:05 04/16/08 (6)
- RE: It may be a fine line, but these posts need the light of day, IMO...(nt) - mkuller 10:50:48 04/17/08 (0)
- No way! - rick_m 20:25:11 04/16/08 (2)
  - From the points you raise you should be shouting “YES way”…… - three_sox 23:58:13 04/16/08 (1)
    - RE: Norm’s suggestion was to move the threads not delete them. - rick_m 08:12:11 04/17/08 (0)
- Or capped and put to sleep. IMHO, of course. -t - Bruce Kendall 18:11:36 04/16/08 (1)
  - Duh, many of them were - and way too soon, IMO...(nt) - mkuller 10:52:25 04/17/08 (0)
Jeez, Louise - Bruce from DC 08:02:37 04/16/08 (62)
- RE: Jeez, Louise - das@soundstage.com 16:58:37 0