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In Reply to: RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... posted by hahax@verizon.net on June 28, 2016 at 14:49:51:
No it's the tube that causes the affect. Push pull masks it, but not entirely."Tube linearity can't fix it. "
More correctly stated "tube linearity can't be fixed". That's why it's so important to choose the most linear tube you can get.
If you load a DHT into a high impedance and don't drive it anywhere near the cutoff region or the saturation point you won't have much power but you also won't have much (if any) asymmetry.
All of the examples in the books of Class A operation show this type of operation, just using the "sweet, linear, center cut" of the dynamic curve.
Tre'
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"Still Working the Problem"
Edits: 06/28/16
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Follow Ups Full ThreadTopic - Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - airtime 07:53:14 06/26/16 (126)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, ... - stanleywallen@outlook.com 20:11:32 07/31/16 (0)
- Clearly you've not yet heard a decent Class A amp. - bare 20:50:51 07/15/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - JURB 23:46:52 07/14/16 (1)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - A.Wayne 09:17:11 07/15/16 (0)
- If you leave it on all of the time - jedrider 13:06:15 06/29/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - daleda 09:46:00 06/28/16 (0)
- Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - Ralph 09:23:45 06/28/16 (37)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - Freo-1 16:21:39 06/28/16 (3)
- Your closing comment is spot on. - Ralph 07:49:19 06/29/16 (2)
- RE: Your closing comment is spot on. - Inmate51 08:08:30 06/29/16 (1)
- One of my ex-employees is an engineer there - Ralph 08:10:19 06/29/16 (0)
- RE: class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - genungo 12:16:10 06/28/16 (17)
- You could say that about any class of operation nt - Ralph 13:20:25 06/28/16 (16)
- RE: You could say that about any class of operation - genungo 13:42:30 06/28/16 (15)
- RE: You could say that about any class of operation - mkuller 14:59:22 06/28/16 (10)
- RE: You could say that about any class of operation - Disbeliever 23:14:47 06/28/16 (8)
- RE: You could say that about any class of operation - morricab 07:36:44 07/05/16 (7)
- RE: You could say that about any class of operation - A.Wayne 13:45:19 07/05/16 (6)
- RE: You could say that about any class of operation - morricab 05:46:32 07/06/16 (5)
- RE: You could say that about any class of operation - A.Wayne 11:33:23 07/06/16 (4)
- RE: You could say that about any class of operation - morricab 01:52:15 07/07/16 (3)
- RE: You could say that about any class of operation - A.Wayne 08:37:49 07/07/16 (2)
- RE: You could say that about any class of operation - Inmate51 02:03:46 07/08/16 (1)
- RE: You could say that about any class of operation - A.Wayne 10:07:51 07/09/16 (0)
- Yes - genungo 15:12:57 06/28/16 (0)
- RE: You could say that about any class of operation - Tre' 14:04:35 06/28/16 (1)
- RE: "then the list would be imperative" - genungo 14:21:38 06/28/16 (0)
- It is a major issue, but not really germaine to this thread. - Ralph 14:00:34 06/28/16 (1)
- RE: "not really germaine to this thread" - genungo 14:24:21 06/28/16 (0)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - hahax@verizon.net 09:50:37 06/28/16 (13)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - Inmate51 11:30:10 06/28/16 (12)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - hahax@verizon.net 13:18:16 06/28/16 (11)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - Inmate51 21:25:52 06/28/16 (10)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - Inmate51 12:34:26 07/01/16 (9)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - Tweaker456 22:30:49 07/05/16 (0)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - A.Wayne 14:21:58 07/01/16 (7)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - Inmate51 06:40:15 07/02/16 (6)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - A.Wayne 13:28:11 07/05/16 (0)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - morricab 07:51:05 07/05/16 (1)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - JURB 22:51:03 07/14/16 (0)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - vahe 07:44:37 07/02/16 (2)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - Tweaker456 22:57:29 07/05/16 (0)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - morricab 07:42:32 07/05/16 (0)
- RE: Just so we are clear- class A is the lowest distortion class of operation - Inmate51 09:36:48 06/28/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - E-Stat 06:24:37 06/28/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Disbeliever 22:56:49 06/27/16 (4)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - vahe 15:05:04 06/28/16 (3)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 10:14:58 06/29/16 (2)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 12:40:53 06/29/16 (1)
- My points are summed up in this graph for those who understand. - Tre' 14:49:00 06/30/16 (0)
- Some experienced listeners say "yes", others say "maybe" or even "no"... - genungo 14:59:10 06/27/16 (3)
- Seems you just summed up being an audiophile... - musetap 21:28:18 06/27/16 (0)
- Agreed...(nt) - mkuller 19:08:17 06/27/16 (0)
- It depends... - kootenay 17:58:03 06/27/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - RGA 21:35:49 06/26/16 (3)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Larry I 05:22:39 06/27/16 (2)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - saturdayboy 20:35:04 08/08/16 (1)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - A.Wayne 19:58:31 08/09/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - coffee-phil 16:35:28 06/26/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - goldenthal 15:44:34 06/26/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - fstein 13:41:15 06/26/16 (5)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - erik_sq 20:10:22 10/15/16 (2)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - A.Wayne 04:43:50 10/16/16 (1)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - theaudiohiffle 13:16:29 11/28/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - 6bq5 12:02:55 10/13/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Crazy Dave 09:32:05 06/27/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - mkuller 10:47:07 06/26/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 08:36:54 06/26/16 (58)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 07:10:11 06/28/16 (32)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - hahax@verizon.net 08:30:52 06/28/16 (31)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 08:44:39 06/28/16 (30)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - hahax@verizon.net 09:48:34 06/28/16 (29)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 14:38:20 06/28/16 (21)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Banat 16:32:57 06/29/16 (12)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 02:50:27 06/30/16 (4)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - A.Wayne 10:25:43 06/30/16 (3)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 01:03:46 07/01/16 (2)
- RE: SET for Ribbons ... - A.Wayne 06:18:45 07/02/16 (1)
- RE: SET for Ribbons ... - morricab 08:02:49 07/05/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - A.Wayne 20:19:53 06/29/16 (6)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 02:52:23 06/30/16 (5)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 14:44:43 06/30/16 (4)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - A.Wayne 03:25:40 07/01/16 (1)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 09:01:58 07/01/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 00:57:02 07/01/16 (1)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 08:13:11 07/01/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - hahax@verizon.net 15:10:14 06/28/16 (7)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 02:41:50 06/29/16 (6)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Disbeliever 03:49:46 06/29/16 (5)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 06:04:33 06/29/16 (4)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Disbeliever 06:18:30 06/29/16 (3)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 09:10:12 06/29/16 (2)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Disbeliever 09:36:47 06/29/16 (1)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 12:42:12 06/29/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 14:17:05 06/28/16 (6)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - hahax@verizon.net 14:49:51 06/28/16 (5)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 16:15:29 06/28/16 (4)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - hahax@verizon.net 19:44:06 06/28/16 (3)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 21:21:16 06/28/16 (2)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 22:58:41 06/28/16 (1)
- Yes - Tre' 09:52:59 06/29/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - coffee-phil 16:19:18 06/26/16 (14)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - psn 09:50:06 10/13/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 16:33:14 06/26/16 (12)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - coffee-phil 17:27:04 06/26/16 (11)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - hahax@verizon.net 19:41:11 06/26/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 17:44:12 06/26/16 (3)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 07:02:30 06/28/16 (2)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 14:11:38 06/28/16 (1)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 14:44:02 06/28/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - coffee-phil 17:41:00 06/26/16 (5)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - hahax@verizon.net 19:43:23 06/26/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 17:46:25 06/26/16 (3)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 07:04:21 06/28/16 (1)
- Good point. (nt) - Tre' 11:17:13 06/28/16 (0)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - hahax@verizon.net 21:20:15 06/26/16 (0)
- In the end we are talking about distortion levels - airtime 10:35:35 06/26/16 (9)
- No I won't talk about distortion... - Mechans 14:28:04 06/26/16 (8)
- RE: No I won't talk about distortion... - PAR 17:02:26 06/26/16 (7)
- RE: No I won't talk about distortion... - Tre' 17:35:22 06/26/16 (6)
- RE: No I won't talk about distortion... - hahax@verizon.net 19:45:38 06/26/16 (5)
- RE: No I won't talk about distortion... - morricab 07:07:23 06/28/16 (4)
- RE: No I won't talk about distortion... - hahax@verizon.net 08:38:03 06/28/16 (3)
- RE: No I won't talk about distortion... - morricab 14:47:37 06/28/16 (2)
- RE: No I won't talk about distortion... - hahax@verizon.net 15:51:09 06/28/16 (1)
- RE: No I won't talk about distortion... - morricab 06:14:30 06/29/16 (0)
Follow Ups
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 16:15:29 06/28/16 (4)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - hahax@verizon.net 19:44:06 06/28/16 (3)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - Tre' 21:21:16 06/28/16 (2)
- RE: Is there any real benifit sonically between class A, AB etc... - morricab 22:58:41 06/28/16 (1)
- Yes - Tre' 09:52:59 06/29/16 (0)