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Hi all,
I've got a pair of VTL MB125's that have been making some noise for many years. It was one of my very first tubed pieces of equipment, and thought that it was, for the most part, "tube noise".
This noise was more noticeable on some speakers than others, and I've lived with it for a very long time, as the noise usually was not heard at the sweet spot. But, with an addition of a new power cord, along with new(er) speakers aimed almost directly at me, I noticed the noise far more than in the past.
I had asked about this noise several weeks ago while using different speakers, and one of our fellow inmates suggested that I float the ground. So yesterday, after work, I went and bought two adapters and placed them onto the cable.
I was astonished to find that there was absolutely no noise, and I mean none, as in ZERO! It was so quiet, in fact, that I had to look to see if the amps were even on.
Needless to say, I felt quite silly thinking that I've lived with this ground problem for all these years without even realizing it. I've experienced ground issues in the past (mainly with tt cables) and thought I knew what a "ground hum" sounded like. But the noise out of the VTL's were not like that at all, so I assumed it was something else or something inherent to the amp.
I was so wrong.
I know that I should take these amps into a dealer to get them repaired, but am a bit afraid of the cost that might be attached to that work.
What I would like to know is if there's any damage that can be caused by powering the amps without a ground connected. What, exactly, does the ground in the system do?
Thanks for all your help.
'Dwebe
"Man, that mouse is Awesome." - Kaemon (referring to Jerry, of Tom and Jerry fame)
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Topic - Floating Ground...Does It Cause Damage? - AudioDwebe 08:22:04 06/30/10 (110)
- I agree with Steve Eddy and Charles Hansen - kurt s 17:50:21 07/05/10 (2)
- RE: I agree with Steve Eddy and Charles Hansen - jea48 21:12:21 07/06/10 (1)
- You have another situation to deal with here. - kurt s 00:48:01 07/07/10 (0)
- GFI - djk 00:11:29 07/01/10 (6)
- RE: GFI - FenderLover 19:53:46 07/01/10 (5)
- RE: GFI - AudioDwebe 07:48:02 07/02/10 (1)
- RE: GFI - jedrider 20:34:25 07/02/10 (0)
- RE: GFI - djk 23:37:26 07/01/10 (2)
- RE: GFI, Thanks! One other Q - FenderLover 01:28:17 07/02/10 (1)
- RE: GFI, Thanks! One other Q - abel mccain 04:38:23 07/02/10 (0)
- Upon Further Research - AudioDwebe 16:22:53 06/30/10 (3)
- Cheater Plugs - FenderLover 17:04:17 06/30/10 (0)
- Do you... - abel mccain 17:01:34 06/30/10 (1)
- RE: Do you... - AudioDwebe 20:49:40 06/30/10 (0)
- RE: Floating Ground...Does It Cause Damage? - Don_C 13:06:25 06/30/10 (1)
- RE: Floating Ground...Does It Cause Damage? - Awe-d-o-file 06:25:39 07/01/10 (0)
- Thanks, all. - AudioDwebe 11:51:36 06/30/10 (0)
- Search archives here for Charles Hansen on this topic nt - keith_d 10:01:41 06/30/10 (0)
- RE: Floating Ground...Does It Cause Damage? - Steve Eddy 08:46:36 06/30/10 (90)
- RE: what he said plus - Ralph 10:08:49 06/30/10 (2)
- RE: what he said plus - Steve Eddy 13:08:33 06/30/10 (0)
- RE: what he said plus but in this case - Awe-d-o-file 11:30:49 06/30/10 (0)
- RE: Floating Ground...Does It Cause Damage? - Victor Khomenko 09:40:00 06/30/10 (86)
- RE: Floating Ground...Does It Cause Damage? - Steve Eddy 13:05:05 06/30/10 (85)
- RE: Floating Ground...Does It Cause Damage? - djk 00:15:12 07/01/10 (84)
- RE: Floating Ground...Does It Cause Damage? - Steve Eddy 08:26:32 07/01/10 (83)
- Safety ground is routinely used as shield - Victor Khomenko 08:37:04 07/01/10 (82)
- Transformer electrostatic shield - andy_c 17:48:21 07/01/10 (16)
- RE:The earth grounded Faraday Shield - Dan Banquer 07:29:48 07/02/10 (11)
- RE:The earth grounded Faraday Shield - Steve Eddy 09:51:22 07/02/10 (8)
- RE:The earth grounded Faraday Shield - Dan Banquer 11:57:08 07/02/10 (5)
- Oh, about the author of that article... - Steve Eddy 12:37:17 07/02/10 (3)
- And the author got it right - Dan Banquer 14:01:25 07/02/10 (2)
- RE: And the author got it right - Steve Eddy 14:33:40 07/02/10 (1)
- Now, now, Steve - don't diss Britney! :-)) nt - andyr 17:28:53 07/10/10 (0)
- RE:The earth grounded Faraday Shield - Steve Eddy 12:03:27 07/02/10 (0)
- LOL! Someone wrote here: - Victor Khomenko 10:23:45 07/02/10 (1)
- RE: LOL! Someone wrote here: - Steve Eddy 11:16:50 07/02/10 (0)
- That is another well known fact, indeed. - Victor Khomenko 09:23:48 07/02/10 (1)
- So I guess we are guilty as charged................. - Dan Banquer 09:25:27 07/02/10 (0)
- RE: Transformer electrostatic shield - Victor Khomenko 06:17:29 07/02/10 (0)
- RE: Transformer electrostatic shield - Charles Hansen 20:59:05 07/01/10 (2)
- RE: Transformer electrostatic shield - andy_c 21:46:47 07/01/10 (1)
- I think we're on the same page now. - Charles Hansen 08:26:15 07/02/10 (0)
- RE: Safety ground is routinely used as shield - Steve Eddy 12:11:45 07/01/10 (17)
- RE: Safety ground is routinely used as shield - Victor Khomenko 12:22:41 07/01/10 (16)
- RE: Safety ground is routinely used as shield - Steve Eddy 12:30:35 07/01/10 (15)
- You would be better off if you followed Victor's advice. - Dan Banquer 12:38:33 07/01/10 (14)
- RE: You would be better off if you followed Victor's advice. - Steve Eddy 12:51:03 07/01/10 (13)
- Since when are we here to spoon feed you?. - Dan Banquer 13:07:43 07/01/10 (12)
- DAN AND VICTOR, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING! - Charles Hansen 16:44:47 07/01/10 (11)
- No need to shout, your nonsense just gets more nonsensical that way. - Victor Khomenko 17:35:14 07/01/10 (9)
- From Ott, section 3.1.7, "Grounding Myths" - andy_c 18:03:42 07/01/10 (5)
- It seems you do not realize just how silly that passage is, so there goes - Victor Khomenko 06:36:25 07/02/10 (1)
- RE: It seems you do not realize just how silly that passage is, so there goes - Steve Eddy 08:15:59 07/02/10 (0)
- That statement contains several fallacies, not just one. nt - Victor Khomenko 19:22:25 07/01/10 (1)
- When's your book coming out, Victor? - Steve Eddy 20:27:17 07/01/10 (0)
- RE: From Ott, section 3.1.7, "Grounding Myths" - Steve Eddy 18:07:51 07/01/10 (0)
- RE: No need to shout, your nonsense just gets more nonsensical that way. - Steve Eddy 17:39:24 07/01/10 (2)
- Just read my initial statement, it is all there. nt - Victor Khomenko 17:41:19 07/01/10 (1)
- Enough with the silly games... - Steve Eddy 17:52:39 07/01/10 (0)
- RE: DAN AND VICTOR, YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING! - Steve Eddy 17:31:35 07/01/10 (0)
- RE: Safety ground is routinely used as shield - Dan Banquer 08:55:57 07/01/10 (46)
- RE: Safety ground is routinely used as shield - Steve Eddy 11:26:55 07/01/10 (45)
- And you still don't know what you are talking about - Dan Banquer 11:40:39 07/01/10 (44)
- RE: And you still don't know what you are talking about - Steve Eddy 11:54:18 07/01/10 (43)
- RE: And you still don't know what you are talking about - Dan Banquer 12:07:23 07/01/10 (42)
- RE: And you still don't know what you are talking about - Steve Eddy 12:27:10 07/01/10 (41)
- You are partially correct - Dan Banquer 12:36:26 07/01/10 (40)
- RE: You are partially correct - Steve Eddy 12:55:47 07/01/10 (39)
- Let me repeat this once again since you are having such a hard time. - Dan Banquer 13:05:36 07/01/10 (38)
- RE: Let me repeat this once again since you are having such a hard time. - Steve Eddy 13:28:10 07/01/10 (37)
- OOPS, you're about to have a bad day - Dan Banquer 08:19:10 07/02/10 (1)
- *yawwwwwn* - Steve Eddy 08:39:16 07/02/10 (0)
- The Two Faces of Dan Banquer - Steve Eddy 13:57:31 07/01/10 (0)
- RE: Let me repeat this once again since you are having such a hard time. - Victor Khomenko 13:51:44 07/01/10 (33)
- No, Victor - Charles Hansen 16:53:54 07/01/10 (22)
- RE: No, Victor - Victor Khomenko 17:30:58 07/01/10 (21)
- RE: No, Victor - Steve Eddy 17:37:30 07/01/10 (20)
- RE: No, Victor - Victor Khomenko 17:39:58 07/01/10 (19)
- RE: No, Victor - drwkng 21:03:10 07/01/10 (17)
- RE: No, Victor - drwkng 22:47:11 07/01/10 (8)
- RE: No, Victor - Steve Eddy 23:04:26 07/01/10 (7)
- Yes, sounds like something you definitely must read. - Victor Khomenko 06:43:03 07/03/10 (0)
- RE: No, Victor - drwkng 05:23:53 07/03/10 (5)
- RE: No, Victor - Steve Eddy 08:51:53 07/03/10 (4)
- as high as 25 ohms.... - jea48 15:48:10 07/03/10 (1)
- RE: as high as 25 ohms.... - Steve Eddy 17:15:09 07/03/10 (0)
- Since you know nothing about this subject, you become an easy prey to a man on a mission - Victor Khomenko 09:47:20 07/03/10 (1)
- More empty hand-waving - Steve Eddy 10:52:09 07/03/10 (0)
- RE: No, Victor - Steve Eddy 21:32:22 07/01/10 (7)
- The problem here is a failure of complete communication, pure laziness, and/or forgetfullness. - kurt s 08:20:20 07/06/10 (6)
- RE: The problem here is a failure of complete communication, pure laziness, and/or forgetfullness. - Victor Khomenko 17:55:41 07/06/10 (4)
- Your laziness in zero real content, Just so impertinent.. - kurt s 19:22:16 07/06/10 (3)
- But I can read... you have difficulties! - Victor Khomenko 22:45:35 07/06/10 (0)
- No null - Charles Hansen 22:20:40 07/06/10 (1)
- RE: No null - Steve Eddy 10:42:41 07/07/10 (0)
- Another thing for clarity of these "differing" opinions - kurt s 08:48:21 07/06/10 (0)
- OK, Victor - Charles Hansen 20:47:55 07/01/10 (0)
- RE: Let me repeat this once again since you are having such a hard time. - Steve Eddy 14:40:21 07/01/10 (9)
- Open Mouth; Insert foot. nt - Dan Banquer 15:56:44 07/01/10 (5)
- In other words, you've got nothing to offer. Didn't think so. nt - Steve Eddy 16:00:28 07/01/10 (4)
- How can one offer to one who is not willing to accept? - Dan Banquer 16:08:20 07/01/10 (3)
- I'm not willing to blindly accept empty claims and hand-waving... - Steve Eddy 16:49:09 07/01/10 (2)
- Steve, we've had our disagreements in the past... - Charles Hansen 16:56:00 07/01/10 (1)
- RE: Steve, we've had our disagreements in the past... - Steve Eddy 17:19:05 07/01/10 (0)
- P.S. - Steve Eddy 14:52:41 07/01/10 (2)
- RE: Does It Cause Damage? - abel mccain 08:26:46 06/30/10 (0)