In Reply to: RE: Magnepan 3.6r amp selection posted by ahendler on January 23, 2012 at 21:35:25:
Back in the day, the D-76 was pretty much the standard amp on Maggies. Being a poor kid, I just had a Hafler DH-220 on my 1-D's, but twice the solid state watts probably gave you about the same subjective loudness and usually, the tweeter fuse would go before the amp gave out.
Also, RMS watts is a pretty inaccurate way of comparing amps, it isn't what limits performance and amps with a given power rating vary widely in their peak headroom and the rate at which they recover from clipping -- by at least a factor of two.
We do seem to be able to tolerate a certain amount of clipping without hearing it, particularly with tube amps that in effect start to compress rather than lop off.
On the other hand, measurements and straightforward calculatios show that most consumer speakers can't reproduce the maximum instantaneous peaks of the very loudest acoustical music, and with inefficient speakers like Maggies, you need a super amp to get up to that kind of level with an undistorted waveform. Also, most consumer systems don't have the ease at high levels that the big studio systems do. It's just about the only area in which I found the sound in the studio superior to the sound we hear at home. But I do think it's an area in which our systems fall short. We'd need to be able to cleanly reproduce 125 dB SPL peaks at the listening seat to do that in every case and we're lucky if we get 115, and that not very clean.
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- RE: Magnepan 3.6r amp selection - josh358 06:28:25 01/24/12 (98)
- We'd need? - E-Stat 07:22:43 01/24/12 (97)
- RE: We'd need? - Medium Jim 08:37:44 01/24/12 (93)
- RE: We'd need? - josh358 13:49:52 01/24/12 (92)
- a soprano upset my system - wazoo 16:12:57 01/24/12 (87)
- RE: a soprano upset my system - Medium Jim 18:51:20 01/24/12 (1)
- RE: a soprano upset my system - Satie 23:24:00 01/25/12 (0)
- RE: a soprano upset my system - josh358 17:14:09 01/24/12 (0)
- RE: a soprano upset my system - tyu 16:28:38 01/24/12 (83)
- Are you *really* paying attention, or... - wazoo 04:54:36 01/25/12 (81)
- RE: Are you *really* paying attention, or... - tyu 06:38:15 01/25/12 (80)
- clear as mud - some points of clarification - wazoo 18:10:14 01/25/12 (4)
- RE: clear as mud - some points of clarification - tyu 06:53:25 01/26/12 (3)
- RE: clear as mud - some points of clarification - josh358 10:11:57 01/26/12 (0)
- from the manufacturer (Magnepan) - wazoo 07:49:24 01/26/12 (0)
- RE: clear as mud - some points of clarification - Medium Jim 07:34:16 01/26/12 (0)
- RE: Are you *really* paying attention, or... - josh358 08:31:41 01/25/12 (74)
- RE: Are you *really* paying attention, or... - Norman M 17:26:04 01/31/12 (0)
- RE: Are you *really* paying attention, or... - morricab 06:27:17 01/26/12 (0)
- RE: Are you *really* paying attention, or... - Medium Jim 15:11:18 01/25/12 (71)
- I really feel sorry for you guys who have never gotten the Maggie . . . - Alan G. 10:41:16 01/26/12 (10)
- for me, it's precisely the opposite ;-) - wazoo 18:40:45 01/26/12 (7)
- RE: for me, it's precisely the opposite ;-) - emsquare 05:59:09 02/03/12 (0)
- Okay - cool, just call me Argentina! I'll call you Hybrid man! (nt) - Alan G. 19:42:54 01/26/12 (2)
- I can live with Hybrid man - wazoo 19:58:54 01/26/12 (1)
- RE: "said my 'Hail Marys' and 'Our Fathers' in penance for the corruption" - JBen 21:00:36 01/26/12 (0)
- RE: for me, it's precisely the opposite ;-) - josh358 19:38:11 01/26/12 (2)
- mine had a slightly different title - wazoo 19:46:42 01/26/12 (1)
- RE: mine had a slightly different title - josh358 17:02:21 01/31/12 (0)
- RE: I really feel sorry for you guys who have never gotten the Maggie . . . - JBen 12:28:25 01/26/12 (0)
- RE: I really feel sorry for you guys who have never gotten the Maggie . . . - Medium Jim 10:55:20 01/26/12 (0)
- RE: Are you *really* paying attention, or... - josh358 17:28:40 01/25/12 (59)
- none at all - wazoo 18:14:27 01/25/12 (10)
- bias points - Medium Jim 18:29:01 01/25/12 (9)
- I did ;-) - wazoo 18:41:28 01/25/12 (8)
- RE: I did ;-) - Medium Jim 19:31:47 01/25/12 (7)
- milspec is also interesting - wazoo 20:34:20 01/25/12 (6)
- Graded milspec - esande 20:49:56 01/26/12 (2)
- RE: Graded milspec - Medium Jim 21:29:35 01/26/12 (1)
- RE: Graded milspec - Medium Jim 11:56:01 01/27/12 (0)
- RE: milspec is also interesting - Medium Jim 20:50:10 01/25/12 (2)
- JAN 5751's - MaggiesAndCats 09:53:58 01/26/12 (1)
- RE: JAN 5751's - Medium Jim 10:05:32 01/26/12 (0)
- RE: Are you *really* paying attention, or... - Medium Jim 18:10:53 01/25/12 (47)
- RE: Are you *really* paying attention, or... - morricab 06:37:03 01/26/12 (43)
- maybe; maybe not - wazoo 15:04:30 01/27/12 (41)
- RE: maybe; maybe not - morricab 01:46:09 01/29/12 (38)
- very old information - wazoo 09:43:30 01/29/12 (32)
- RE: very old information - morricab 13:16:16 01/29/12 (27)
- no argument - no problem - wazoo 12:57:32 01/31/12 (18)
- RE: no argument - no problem - morricab 04:42:32 02/01/12 (17)
- RE: no argument - no problem - Medium Jim 08:50:22 02/01/12 (16)
- RE: no argument - no problem - morricab 02:46:31 02/02/12 (15)
- RE: no argument - no problem - Medium Jim 08:19:48 02/02/12 (14)
- RE: no argument - no problem - morricab 01:28:00 02/03/12 (11)
- RE: no argument - no problem - Medium Jim 07:08:07 02/03/12 (10)
- RE: no argument - no problem - morricab 07:20:51 02/04/12 (7)
- RE: no argument - no problem - Medium Jim 07:55:31 02/04/12 (6)
- RE: no argument - no problem - morricab 09:35:47 02/08/12 (5)
- RE: no argument - no problem - Medium Jim 11:42:58 02/08/12 (4)
- RE: no argument - no problem - morricab 15:21:49 02/09/12 (3)
- RE: no argument - no problem - Medium Jim 15:50:38 02/09/12 (2)
- RE: no argument - no problem - morricab 02:19:35 02/10/12 (1)
- RE: no argument - no problem - Medium Jim 07:03:31 02/10/12 (0)
- RE: no argument - no problem - Medium Jim 08:02:44 02/03/12 (1)
- RE: no argument - no problem - Medium Jim 21:36:58 02/03/12 (0)
- Final Thoughts - Medium Jim 09:36:45 02/02/12 (1)
- RE: Final Thoughts - morricab 01:06:45 02/03/12 (0)
- RE: very old information - Medium Jim 14:38:05 01/29/12 (7)
- RE: very old information - morricab 01:18:06 01/30/12 (6)
- RE: very old information - Medium Jim 07:18:18 01/30/12 (5)
- RE: very old information - morricab 02:14:19 01/31/12 (4)
- RE: very old information - Medium Jim 16:19:03 01/31/12 (0)
- RE: very old information - Medium Jim 07:17:24 01/31/12 (2)
- RE: very old information - morricab 04:24:02 02/01/12 (1)
- RE: very old information - Medium Jim 07:21:35 02/01/12 (0)
- RE: very old information - Medium Jim 10:33:04 01/29/12 (3)
- then, you see my point... - wazoo 11:36:04 01/29/12 (2)
- RE: then, you see my point... - Medium Jim 12:06:24 01/29/12 (1)
- RE: then, you see my point... - morricab 13:20:52 01/29/12 (0)
- Not to stoke the fire... - Medium Jim 09:28:07 01/29/12 (4)
- RE: Not to stoke the fire... - morricab 02:18:59 01/31/12 (3)
- RE: Not to stoke the fire... - Medium Jim 07:13:10 01/31/12 (2)
- RE: Not to stoke the fire... - morricab 04:28:57 02/01/12 (1)
- NITA nt - Medium Jim 07:20:15 02/01/12 (0)
- RE: maybe; maybe not - 66mgb 16:50:40 01/27/12 (1)
- not what I meant (but one never really knows ;-) - wazoo 18:02:55 01/27/12 (0)
- RE: Are you *really* paying attention, or... - Medium Jim 07:30:54 01/26/12 (0)
- RE: Are you *really* paying attention, or... - josh358 18:31:50 01/25/12 (2)
- RE: Are you *really* paying attention, or... - ahendler 19:20:02 01/25/12 (1)
- RE: Are you *really* paying attention, or... - Medium Jim 19:47:01 01/25/12 (0)
- Tyu, who pissed in your Wheaties? nt - Medium Jim 21:04:25 01/24/12 (0)
- RE: We'd need? - Medium Jim 14:03:02 01/24/12 (3)
- *This* soprano doesn't need any mass reduction :-)) ... - andyr 14:25:29 01/25/12 (1)
- RE: *This* soprano doesn't need any mass reduction :-)) ... - Medium Jim 15:54:38 01/25/12 (0)
- RE: We'd need? - josh358 14:18:02 01/24/12 (0)
- RE: We'd need? - josh358 08:29:12 01/24/12 (2)
- RE: We'd need? - E-Stat 13:28:30 01/24/12 (1)
- RE: We'd need? - josh358 13:40:15 01/24/12 (0)