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Someone is not happy with me, can't understand why

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Posted on August 25, 2009 at 19:54:25
Olly
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Posts: 2380
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Joined: October 20, 2001
 What am I to do, I have tried to comply with the forum rules so can someone help me to fix what the BORED apparently wants from me.


This:

Olly - Distributor or Rep, No company affiliation, work from home. retired
Home page: http://OCRVC vinyl cleaner from home, retired
Perth, Western Australia, Australia

is not an acceptable disclosure. Quit fucking with us, or prepare to be gone. You have 24 hours to get it right.


On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Joe and Kerry wrote:

I kept looking, looking and looking and finally figured it out by emailing another inmate for help. The only crap seems to be coming from you. I asked for help previously and received none. Thank goodness some inmates don't mind helping. If the BORED is monitored by people like you then maybe you need help as well.
OLLY

----- Original Message -----
From: The Bored
To: Joe and Kerry
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:11 AM
Subject: Re: Audio Asylum: AA registration


Let me see if I understand you. You figured out how to change it from your original registration to this one:

"Olly - Distributor or Rep, Nil
Home page: http://Nil"

But you can't figure out how to fix it? Sounds like a load of crap to me.



On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Joe and Kerry wrote:

You still have not told me where to go to amend my profile.
----- Original Message -----
From: The Bored
Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 1:29 AM
Subject: Audio Asylum: AA registration


Consider this our last warning.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: The Bored
Date: Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:32 AM
Subject: Audio Asylum: AA registration

Audio Asylum Email from The Bored:

Your current description in your registration is unacceptable.

"Olly - Distributor or Rep, Nil
Home page: http://Nil
Perth, Western Australia, Australia"

Please correct it immediately to properly refer to the product you move.
Failure to do so, or to circumvent our rules in the future, will result in
an immediate and permanent ban. Thank you for your cooperation.

The Bored

Audioasylum
I wish I could respond to the Bored's comments directly, posted on August 26, 2009 at 11:29:26
Biff
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Posts: 3563
Location: Portland, Oregon
Joined: January 27, 2002
 but they are "archived."

Is "breaking in" to Olly's profile any worse than saying things like "Quit f-ing with us, or prepare to be gone"? Using your own words, that's inappropriate to say the least.


***********************
"More music and Les Brown."
Any more inappopriate than a post such as one you have posted in an OPEN forum?, posted on August 26, 2009 at 13:24:20
sharpshooter
 The correspondence between Olly and the Bored was not meant for every member's eyes, but their use of that expletive (in private) was understandable after an ongoing refusal by a member to abide by forum rules--which, I might add, are hardly stringent.

So what?, posted on August 26, 2009 at 17:01:25
Biff
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Posts: 3563
Location: Portland, Oregon
Joined: January 27, 2002
 It's still unprofessional to use that kind of language, in private or in public. Olly "out-ed" it anyway, I didn't.

And the other thing you dug up that I said, what does that have to do with anything? I hope you had fun digging through my posts. Have any hobbies?


***********************
"More music and Les Brown."
Now Biff...I didn't have to dig very far, it was fairly recent,, posted on August 26, 2009 at 18:30:40
sharpshooter
 and this one I didn't have to dig for at all, but to answer your question "what does that have to do with anything?"

"Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!"

RE: I wish I could respond to the Bored's comments directly, posted on August 26, 2009 at 11:42:13
The Bored
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Posts: 1126
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Contributor
  Since: March 1, 1999
 You are obviously unaware of the protracted stream of more pleasant requests made with regard to this matter; i.e., the ones that went ignored, or were met with claims of "not knowing how" to do something that he had clearly done before (without our help).

>>Is "breaking in" to Olly's profile any worse than saying things like "Quit f-ing with us, or prepare to be gone"?

Yes, it is. The former is a legal issue; the latter is a reflection of the inevitable annoyance that comes after enduring a string of pathetic excuses from someone who feigns ignorance and victimization.


Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum, et cetera, et cetera...
Memo bis punitor delicatum! It's all there, black and white,
clear as crystal! Blah, blah, and so on and so forth ...

After reading the Bored's response here, posted on August 26, 2009 at 10:26:17
Biff
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Posts: 3563
Location: Portland, Oregon
Joined: January 27, 2002
 it makes me wonder why they didn't just go in to Olly's account and yank the non-functional URL themselves, rather than go round and round via e-mails. All they had to do was tell him they were changing it, and then change it. Much ado about nothing.


***********************
"More music and Les Brown."
RE: After reading the Bored's response here, posted on August 26, 2009 at 10:47:34
The Bored
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  Since: March 1, 1999
 >>it makes me wonder why they didn't just go in to Olly's account

We don't break into people's accounts. We will close them unilaterally if we have cause, but to alter someone's profile would be inappropriate, to say the least.


Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum, et cetera, et cetera...
Memo bis punitor delicatum! It's all there, black and white,
clear as crystal! Blah, blah, and so on and so forth ...

RE: Someone is not happy with me, can't understand why, posted on August 26, 2009 at 07:19:03
The Bored
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Posts: 1126
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  Since: March 1, 1999
 What part of "You must accurately describe the product you push and use a real website address (if you have one)" is so hard to understand?

This really isn't THAT difficult, but in hindsight it appears that we should have expected the I-don't know-what-I've-done-wrong and woe-is-me and I-don't-know-how facades unless we spelled it out for you word for word.

Back in the day, we asked you to fess up to your dealer status. You kicked, screamed and whined. Finally, you changed your registration to reflect the fact that you pushed a certain product. Lo and behold, some time later, you chose to mock the matter. So we wrote to you:

"Your current description in your registration is unacceptable.

'Olly - Distributor or Rep, Nil
Home page: http://Nil
Perth, Western Australia, Australia'

Please correct it immediately to properly refer to the product you move.
Failure to do so, or to circumvent our rules in the future, will result in
an immediate and permanent ban. Thank you for your cooperation."

You stalled. We warned you. You feigned the absence of know-how to make the requested changes, so we wrote:

"Let me see if I understand you. You figured out how to change it from your original registration to this one:

'Olly - Distributor or Rep, Nil
Home page: http://Nil'

But you can't figure out how to fix it? Sounds like a load of crap to me."

And, shortly before that, you came to us to whine about a HW post, to which we replied:

"You, on the other hand, should be more concerned about being banned for failing to address the concern we mentioned, earlier this month, about your profile. It is not acceptable to say "Nil." You must accurately describe the product you push and use a real website address (if you have one). You have 48 hours to comply before we ban you."

You now come to the forum and whine. We couldn't be less surprised.

So, here's what you need to do, step-by-step:

1. Go to the Vinyl Asylum
2. On the upper right you will the "Register / Login" links
3. Login in your account: this step requires that you know your moniker and password
4. You will see the following on your screen:
Please pick an option or in 10 seconds, I'll return you from whence you came.

Manage Olly's System(s):

* [ Edit ] [ Delete ] [ View ]

Add A System

Login to My Picture Gallery

Manage/Change Account Information - Set advanced options and defaults

Delete Account - Warning! This permanently deletes your account

Eat My Cookies - Click to delete your 'Remember Me' cookie.

Membership expires: XXXXXX ; contributor since: XXXXXX
Level:

If you'd like to become a contributing member of the Asylum, your help is sorely needed and appreciated."

5. Now: select "Manage/Change Account Information - Set advanced options and defaults" This is where you can Manage/Change [your] Profile

6. Your profile now says:
"Olly - Distributor or Rep, No company affiliation, work from home. retired
Home page: http://OCRVC vinyl cleaner from home, retired
Perth, Western Australia, Australia"

Since it's obvious, to everyone but you, that no such web page exists, change your registration to say:
"Olly - Distributor or Rep, OCRVC vinyl cleaner
Home page: none
Perth, Western Australia, Australia"

7. Go to the bottom of the page and select "Update my registration" or "Preview changes". If you choose the latter, once you've registered correctly, you hit the "Update my registration" button.

Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum, et cetera, et cetera...
Memo bis punitor delicatum! It's all there, black and white,
clear as crystal! Blah, blah, and so on and so forth ...

You need a working URL, that's all, posted on August 26, 2009 at 05:18:39
vinyl1
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Posts: 2951
Joined: October 3, 2001
 Throw up some sort of web page, and put the url in.

Wouldn't know how to do something like that, posted on August 26, 2009 at 05:40:39
Olly
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Posts: 2380
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Joined: October 20, 2001
 plus it seems like going to extremes, for what.
OLLY

Break out the violins...., posted on August 25, 2009 at 21:47:06
powermatic
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 the poor mistreatment of Olly requires a suitable soundtrack.

Your out-of-context, and potentially carefully-selected emails tell us nothing of your current Bored issues, but you've got a long history of self-marketing on VA that I assume you're hoping no one here remembers. Using that history as a context, I'll go along with the Bored. And believe me, I'm generally no fan.

Just follow the rules that everyone else seems to be able to do, and there won't be any issues. And for gods sake, stop the woe-is-me facade-it's embarrassing. "What am I to do...."-for chrissakes, you sound like a twelve year old girl. Man up.




"dammit"
Your out-of-context, and potentially carefully-selected emails, posted on August 25, 2009 at 22:10:06
Olly
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Posts: 2380
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Joined: October 20, 2001
 I always thought you were sick AUTOMATIC,for one to think like that is pathetic and childish to the extreme.
If the emails are out of context and selective I am sure that the BORED will bring it to fellow inmates attention.
The reason I placed it on a public forum was to show how they are acting.
Whether or not I have my membership cancelled does not worry me one bit as there is a life away from the asylum. I will still read the forum with the occasional post. who gives a shit whether the username is highlighted.
As I said, you are one sick puppy.
OLLY

What am I to do?, posted on August 25, 2009 at 22:25:32
powermatic
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Posts: 5600
Location: central oregon
Joined: November 24, 2005
Contributor
  Since: March 1, 2008
 Believe me, it's a rare day that I'll side with the mods on this site, but your virgin innocence act is so laughable that there's very little grey to choose betwixt the black and white. No one wants you gone-least of all me-but I'm damned convinced that there's more to your little story than what you're revealing. And I'm hard pressed to believe that private conversation between you and the Bored wouldn't, at the very least, reveal what options are necessary for you to maintain your presence here.

I'd call that 'common sense', you call that 'sick'-we'll let History decide.




"dammit"
the emails tell it all. No more that's it, posted on August 25, 2009 at 22:56:25
Olly
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Posts: 2380
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Joined: October 20, 2001
 Out of the blue I get an email stating that I am to be kicked of the forum in 24 hrs if I don't update my profile which has been the same for the last 18 months. Today I get another which is all there for you to read. Sorry I have no more emails that will add apart from ones asking for help in accessing the profile update and that is why it is so bloody frustrating. If you feel something is missing well so do I as I can't understand where this has eminated from. If it had not for another inmate coming to my aid in accessing the site I would not have updated anything.
I have added all the relevant information to my profile as best I can and if that is not enough so be it.
I reckon I could go through every inmates profile and equipment info and find that something has not been deleted and something has not been added. Who gives a shit!
Apparently the BORED.
OLLY
RE: Someone is not happy with me, can't understand why, posted on August 25, 2009 at 20:56:18
astralnavigator
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Posts: 571
Location: North York, Ontario
Joined: June 28, 2009
 This type of behaviour by a bunch of control freak pricks is what has caused hundreds of the brightest, most knowledgeable audio people to abandon Audio Asylum over the years - resulting in what it is today, a place where the most active board is the vile cesspool of "Outside", a Tubes Asylum dominated by a hack who peddles Russian tubes, a Digital and Hi-Rez dominated by a few desperately trying to find validation for investing in a doomed format that they can't accept is dead, a "Critic's" board that has for years been rehashing the same complaints and arguments over Stereophile, with the same predictable responses from an editor without the good judgement or good graces to know that the basic rule of PR online is to shut up, and so on.

Some of these guys need to re-evaluate how they treat fellow audiophiles.

RE: Someone is not happy with me, can't understand why, posted on August 25, 2009 at 21:47:34
kuma
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Posts: 5088
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 *a Digital and Hi-Rez dominated by a few desperately trying to find validation for investing in a doomed format that they can't accept is dead,*
Substitute 'digital and hi-res' with 'vinyl'. That's us, ain't it? ;)

RE: Someone is not happy with me, can't understand why, posted on August 26, 2009 at 05:39:09
astralnavigator
Audiophile

Posts: 571
Location: North York, Ontario
Joined: June 28, 2009
 Nah, vinyl has been around for over half a century in it's present form, is a format that never went away, and has clearly been on the upswing - even in the mainstream - for several years now. It's growing, and kids are getting into it big time. Boom times for a well established format, and hi-rez never caught on, even as a niche format.

SACD - dead. Vinyl - alive and well.

RE: Someone is not happy with me, can't understand why, posted on August 25, 2009 at 21:07:01
John Elison
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Posts: 10896
Location: Central Kentucky
Joined: December 20, 2000
Contributor
  Since: January 29, 2004
 Wow! If you feel that way, what are you still doing here?

RE: Someone is not happy with me, can't understand why, posted on August 25, 2009 at 21:47:41
astralnavigator
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Posts: 571
Location: North York, Ontario
Joined: June 28, 2009
 Because by sticking around in a small way might help to counteract.

Just giving up and walking is the easy way.

I understand why Olly, posted on August 25, 2009 at 20:55:57
lovetube
Dealer

Posts: 2334
Location: Melbourne Australia
Joined: June 8, 2003
 Olly.
I think i know the problem . it is your home paper link which is doesn't exit .why put it there is you don't have one ?
take that off and you'll be alright .

good luck
Lovetube

I don't follow you LT, if that was a problem then the bored should say, posted on August 25, 2009 at 21:13:22
Olly
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Posts: 2380
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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 As it is whoever is responding to me is of no help. With a bit of luck someone else with a few brains could correspond with me and the whole thing could have been sorted out.
Asking me to adverise something that does not exist is beyond comprehension
OLLY

RE: I don't follow you LT, if that was a problem then the bored should say, posted on August 25, 2009 at 22:43:30
lovetube
Dealer

Posts: 2334
Location: Melbourne Australia
Joined: June 8, 2003
 Olly.
you don't have to follow what I said but that is what I think the problem is.
Good luck .
lovetube

LT, if I am kicked of so be it, I won't lose any sleep over it., posted on August 25, 2009 at 22:58:19
Olly
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 OLLY

" won't lose any sleep over it."? Fess up, Olly, You'd self-implode . . . ;8^) /nt\, posted on August 26, 2009 at 04:30:52
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"It was a dark and stormy night. I had taken a creative writing course." – Crow T. Robot, MST 3000.


lovetube?, posted on August 25, 2009 at 21:02:50
Don Till
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Posts: 675
Location: Tempe
Joined: February 16, 2009
 Great moniker! Honest I'm LMAO.

RE: Someone is not happy with me, can't understand why, posted on August 25, 2009 at 20:20:19
docw
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 what is the problem, anyway??? Is this the whole matter, just some fluid for cleaning LP's. Thought this issue was long resolved.

"...Quit fxxxxxg with us, or prepare to be gone. You have 24 hours to get it right...."

This (above) is not appropriate language in an email or public forum and interchange. If this is what you really got, I am surprised and am struggling to accept continued support annually.

I was thinking the same thing about their language., posted on August 26, 2009 at 07:19:56
Biff
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Posts: 3563
Location: Portland, Oregon
Joined: January 27, 2002
 Really professional, but then look how they've acted in the past. And I've only been here for 7 or 8 years (that's what my history says anyway).


***********************
"More music and Les Brown."
It is exactly what I got and I don't know how to register as per their instructions, posted on August 25, 2009 at 20:33:51
Olly
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 I was also surprised to receive such an email from them.
I have tried to register correctly and all the info is correct but not to their satisfaction.
I expect all of this to be deleted by the bored but I need help to fix the registration problem.
OLLY

The (D) next to your name indicates you're a dealer right?, posted on August 25, 2009 at 20:18:53
erh
 What do you deal in?

Dead link to home page?

Just guessing....

OCRVC vinyl cleaner., posted on August 25, 2009 at 20:37:07
Olly
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Posts: 2380
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Joined: October 20, 2001
 Not actually a dealer but I am in the BORED's eyes. I use something that is manufactured locally. If anyone wants some I go and purchase it and then sell it to whoever wants it. Look it up in the archives.
If that constitutes a dealer so be it.
OLLY

RE: OCRVC vinyl cleaner., posted on August 25, 2009 at 21:01:42
John Elison
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 I thought that's what dealers do. They sell stuff they purchase from someone else. Am I misinformed?

RE: OCRVC vinyl cleaner., posted on August 25, 2009 at 21:24:58
judicata
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 JE - I understand your point, but I've sold stuff on eBay a few times (and once on Audiogon) - a turntable, cartridge, and some books unrelated to audio. I bought that stuff from someone else. But I'm not a dealer.

I think the definition requires some % of income, even if vague. Perhaps someone who sells audio products for a significant portion of their annual income, etc. There has to be some flexibility, though, because someone could be a doctor full-time and be selling some wires they invented on the side for a very small profit. Such a doctor might be called a dealer... My dictionary defines it as one who is "engaged in buying or selling." Not particularly useful.

Regardless, I don't think it requires traditional advertising (although word of mouth at least would be required or you wouldn't sell anything), or a webpage.

A knowledge of history.., posted on August 25, 2009 at 21:34:01
powermatic
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 is important in understanding Olly's poor, sad case. When he first came upon his 'miracle fluid', he tried everything possible to try to market his product within the confines of a simple post. After much back and forth, he finally gave in to the 'Dealer' designation. This story has much more background than a few sales on the Ebay-though the Olly whining is, regrettably, very, very familiar.



"dammit"
I thought you would have to advertise the fact to constitute being a dealer., posted on August 25, 2009 at 21:19:00
Olly
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Posts: 2380
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Joined: October 20, 2001
 I do none of the sort. Maybe my interpretation is wrong but the fact that the (D) connected to my moniker has been there for a few years so the question of dealership is not the issue. From what I can gather they want me to attach a webpage which does not exist so I cannot conform to their wishes.
OLLY

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