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Who is that reactionary idiot? I can understand how you like her, but.. who is she? (nt), posted on November 6, 2009 at 02:30:26
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RE: According to Nikki, posted on November 5, 2009 at 13:52:01

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Hi,
I consideral myself Liberal.
I am in favor of gun rights,(believe in a reasonable form of registration), and own several. I live in an isolated rural area, and have no qualms about using my firearms for protection of my family, and myself.
I am a Christian, but reject totally the right wing fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible. It is counter to my Methodist upbringing.
I am not smarter than a Conservative, I just don't believe the Government cannot be a force for good, or that the free market should be free to decide whatever it wants to without restraint. I am not a bigot just because I detest some right wing ideas.
I believe in the Founders idea of divided Government,(and totally in the Constitution and Bill of rights), to not have too much power concentrated in any one branch.
I think a women, her Doctor, her concious should decide what to do with her own body. Not the Government.
I am not following along with any crowd, or swayed by a popular presidential figure. I think for myself.
I've had these beliefs before my first vote in 1972, against Nixon, and all the years to the present, even when they were extremly unpopular.
ie Reagan /Bush, etc.
They are deeply held.
I think you guys on the right are too caught up in a sort of "cartoon character " idea of liberals.
Your prejudice shows, when you characterize people in such a narrow minded way.
Just my opinion.
mg16

some of them..., posted on November 5, 2009 at 18:07:58
dave c Audiophile Posts: 28391 Location: Ferny Hills Joined: April 17, 2000	... are sneaky and use the simpleton type of winger to promote any half baked idea they come up with after their 16th martini. Others are simpletons who love to be told what to do, what to think. Then there are the total nutjobs. It's usually easy to tell which you are dealing with.

You obviously don't see the way liberals characterize us., posted on November 5, 2009 at 14:42:05

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read up and down the forum.We are called every name from winger, to wing nuts, to bigots to racist to clueless to morons,and the list goes on and on..Just read the forum my good man and then tell me we have a wrong characterization of liberals. I don't think we do. They are the biggest projectionists I have ever known. I think flaming liberal with a burning arse,is a perfect description.
I still think most people that post on the forum are in it for the political gaming.I believe that many think they are representing a whole constituency of liberals everywhere and yet,I don't think many are sincere about their actual beliefs.
If the power supply waveform isn't pretty,neither is the sound in most cases.

RE: You obviously don't see the way liberals characterize us., posted on November 5, 2009 at 20:14:56

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Hi,
For every Conservative thats called a racist nutjob, there a Liberal called a Communist baby killer.
I would bet if we got past the name calling, we could find that we are in agreement on many important issues.
We are all Americans, I believe we all love our Country, and what it is supposed to stand for. I think we all want to better America.
I don't understand why we are all so divided, when we should all be pulling together.
I will start by saying I disagreed with GW Bush on most of his policys, but despite being liberal, I was extremely proud of him and my Country when he stood on the rubble of the WTC with the bullhorn, and pulled everyone in this Country, and around the world together, with the stirring words, that the people who did this heinous act will soon be hearing from us all.
I believe he eventually got off track from this pledge, that had his heart in the right place, for some unknown reason to me.
I think our basic disagreement is about how we go about making this a better Country, and a better world.
mg16

I would bet if we got past the name calling, we could find that we are in agreement on many important issues, posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:43:46

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Do you know how many times I said this very thing about agreement on issues? Other than a few differences in social agenda,there isn't a hell of a lot difference between the two.I find many liberals to be economically conservative as evidenced by the fact of the GM and Financial institution bailouts.Most liberals would like their taxes lowered as much as the next guy I would imagine.Many liberals are pro life and as a matter of fact,the pro life antiabortion issue in the 60s and 70s was tooted by liberal advocates. I get on here and trade punches with you guys but,most of it is for entertainment and to get a rise out of some of you. Yes,I am well aware there are not as many differences as one would think.
If the power supply waveform isn't pretty,neither is the sound in most cases.

"most of it is for entertainment and to get a rise out of some of you.", posted on November 6, 2009 at 20:03:42
castironandtubes Audiophile Posts: 3858 Location: NY Joined: October 31, 2003	Some of us are here for actual discussion and post with sincerity. Why do you not have an interest in sincere posts? Dave

"I believe that many think they are representing a whole constituency ", posted on November 5, 2009 at 19:51:43
castironandtubes Audiophile Posts: 3858 Location: NY Joined: October 31, 2003	So would claiming to have a majority of the population on one's side on an issue be a good example of that Mike? Dave

RE: "I believe that many think they are representing a whole constituency ", posted on November 6, 2009 at 17:46:08

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So would claiming to have a majority of the population on one's side on an issue be a good example of that Mike?

Yes actually yes. Much of what I read on this forum is usually mimicked from news media,political hype emanating from their favorite politicians,or just general idealistic dribble coming from either side.
Whenever one of us posts something,we may usually go to some web site or news link that supports our argument but do we really have anyway to verify it? Just because Fox or CNN or MSNBC or the NYtimes says something,it doesn't necessarily means its right. They are subject to human error and,it probably isn't unusual for a newscaster to slant his or her interpretation of a particular issue,to favor the newscaster's personal beliefs.Human nature makes it hard for them not to do this, I would imagine.
If the power supply waveform isn't pretty,neither is the sound in most cases.

So for example..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 19:32:32

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If one were to say something like,

"I will stick with the majority of my country's voters on these issues you are no doubt trying to refer to."

You would find that an example of political gaming without actual sincerity of belief?

Okay

Well done Mic...ever thought of going for the X Factor?, posted on November 5, 2009 at 10:53:47
John_the_Scot Audiophile Posts: 1216 Location: Strathclyde Joined: August 21, 2003	You provide wonderful entertainment. >>"I don't particularly think being open-minded is a good thing. This trait lends itself to much gullibility and most open-minded people are really weak individuals who really have no core value system."<< is probably the dumbest quote you've found to post yet.

the things they say..., posted on November 5, 2009 at 12:26:05

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"Liberals often trot around proclaiming a monopoly on tolerance and open-mindedness. This claim is categorically untrue. Liberals are some of the most bigoted people in America. On a side note, I don't particularly think being open-minded is a good thing. This trait lends itself to much gullibility and most open-minded people are really weak individuals who really have no core value system."

So she thinks "liberals" are NOT the open minded people she chooses to think have no value system... the more I read it the less sense it seems to make.
If people other than "liberals" have "openminded"ness and liberals don't have it and she thinks "openminded"ness is such a bad thing then she is presumably left with only the right wing nutjobs left within her frame of reference... but it is so badly written that it's hard to tell what she actually is trying to say.
Reminds me of posts from certain inmates here.
The structure starts by telling us something that apparently "liberals" claim, regardless of the fact the only people making the claim are the winger lunatics, and then proceeds to show us how it's not true and even if it was it wouldn't be a good thing...
Is this Nikki Richards a 10 year old?
Perhaps from a deprived background?
She certainly can't be described as competent to write in English.

How about this JOhn, posted on November 5, 2009 at 11:10:03
Michael Samra Dealer Posts: 13120 Location: saginaw michigan Joined: January 30, 2005 Contributor Since: June 24, 2005	LIBERAL is Looney Ideology Bringing Every Righteous American Laughter. Now try and find that on the web. If the power supply waveform isn't pretty,neither is the sound in most cases.

What a fallacious load of horseshit this is., posted on November 5, 2009 at 08:57:59
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You have a talent for finding the dumbest people out there, posted on November 5, 2009 at 08:37:31

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"They would burn Christians at the stake for hating gays...". "Does anyone else see the irony?"

Well, yes: I don't know about any Christians being burned at the stake this year, (or last), but I do know that multiple gay people have been killed as well as multiple accounts of children committing suicide because they were branded as "gay."

I notice that the woman has been married for 17 years and only has one kid. I hope that she hasn't engaged in "recreational, non-procreative" sex that is such an affront to her Deity.

You say that as though there is some mystery as to how that could be.... nt, posted on November 5, 2009 at 08:57:32
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He found you, posted on November 5, 2009 at 11:02:36
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Actually you can't even get that right, can you?, posted on November 5, 2009 at 12:35:38

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Not really surprising as you do have tendency to go of at... shall we say... half cock... but right now I am guessing you are wondering which way is up, as you seem to have mistaken castirontubes response for someone else.
Can you go back and see who wrote the OP and who responded?
That is... can you see who left something here and who found it?
Can you do that for me, Pat? Can you?
Come on now, I know you can...

RE: He found you, posted on November 5, 2009 at 12:08:36

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Pat
I love the way liberals profoundly prefer to gauge and label ignorance by discrediting those that disagree with them. They can't understand why their so called overstated scholarly achievements,doesn't impress the average american that goes to the polls to vote. Stevenson learned this the hard way in the 1950s.A brilliant man tho he was,could never connect with the ditch digger and the truck driver and Joe the plumber types.
What this basically does, is give us an understanding into a liberal's mind and thought process to know what makes them tick. I have come to the conclusion that,it really has nothing to do with compassion for those that are needy in society as they could careless about them as evidenced by the fact I never see them doing anything to help the poor in society.What it really amounts to is a mind game that has become a sport or national past time to them,pop culture in Liberal society so to speak.
Lets promote the most off the wall and most counterproductive and sac religious ideas we can think of,and see how many people we can convince to go along with us. If we can't win a majority with our Marxist principles,lets stomp our feet in anger and label everyone as ignorant pawns of right wing conspiracy. Now I ask you Pat,is that most Liberals or is that most Liberals?

If the power supply waveform isn't pretty,neither is the sound in most cases.

You poor dear. My discrediting was pretty easy. nt, posted on November 5, 2009 at 19:01:00
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"profoundly prefer", posted on November 5, 2009 at 12:39:04
castironandtubes Audiophile Posts: 3858 Location: NY Joined: October 31, 2003	I love it when you try to sound educated... Dave

Thats a summation of you guys to a tee, posted on November 5, 2009 at 13:29:15

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and you can discredit my sentence structure all you want but, I think I've really unlocked the key to what makes many of you tick. I know there are some conservatives like that also but,I would say most of your views, may not even reflect your voting preference.You have created this political gaming sport, and I seriously wonder if you actually believe or vote,the way you profess to be here on the forum. I would say,you either don't vote,or you vote opposite many times of what you state your preferences here to be. Maybe its to gain social acceptance among what you feel are your peers,and then,maybe its just to be different.At any rate,I wonder if there are that many self proclaimed bleeding hearts,here on the forum.
If the power supply waveform isn't pretty,neither is the sound in most cases.

RE: Ya -, posted on November 5, 2009 at 19:44:47
painter27 Audiophile Posts: 1503 Location: wi. Joined: January 7, 2003	When you your rebuilding transmissions who gives a damn about sentence structure. : )

As usual, posted on November 5, 2009 at 18:49:41
castironandtubes Audiophile Posts: 3858 Location: NY Joined: October 31, 2003	You are as dead wrong and ill-informed as could be. It is not "poor sentence structure" Mike, it's using words that you have no idea what they mean in an attempt to sound smart. How elitist. Dave

RE: As usual, posted on November 6, 2009 at 17:25:58
Michael Samra Dealer Posts: 13120 Location: saginaw michigan Joined: January 30, 2005 Contributor Since: June 24, 2005	Silly me for mixing up my first adjective.I will use the dictionary when in doubt as you do.I still think my thoughts were very profound in the way I described a liberal's thinking or I should say lack of thought. If the power supply waveform isn't pretty,neither is the sound in most cases.

Socialism is elitist of course, posted on November 5, 2009 at 19:26:28
dave c Audiophile Posts: 28391 Location: Ferny Hills Joined: April 17, 2000	Healthcare is bad for you. There must be quite a list of nutjob commandments by now. Openmindedness is bigotry, I forgot that one and it was only brought up yesterday.

Leave it to Mike, posted on November 5, 2009 at 08:22:12
castironandtubes Audiophile Posts: 3858 Location: NY Joined: October 31, 2003	to get excited about such crap. Mike has demonstrated time and time again that he has no concept about bigotry in general and then the bigotry he displays, and yet he gets all excited because someone makes a hopelessly poor blog post about liberals being bigots because, she said so! Good one! Dave

Nikki - obviously a bigot!, posted on November 5, 2009 at 07:46:59
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