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23 Americans (22 CIA agents) convicted of kidnapping in Italy

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Posted on November 4, 2009 at 14:14:38
dave c
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 American government representatives acting criminally in a foreign sovreign country????
Who would have thought it?
Happened during the presidency of that guy... what was his name?... lies.... wars....?
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Mamma Mia! I wonder if this has as anything to do with..., posted on November 4, 2009 at 20:47:20
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 ...the Italian agent Nicola Calipari killed by US forces in 2005 while protecting just released hostage Italian journalist Giuliana Sgrena?

If the US is unable to hold itself accountable, it will be held accountable even so.

It is a shame that so many lives are placed in peril by secret operations. It would appear that the Italian inteligence service along with their justice system are trying to initiate a return to "normality" (anyone remember what that is?).

(Imagine a film based on what really happened?)

It hasn't occured to anyone that the Italian government looks the other way, posted on November 4, 2009 at 19:40:42
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 on these situations knowing that it goes on, secretly endorsing Americans who remove terrorists from their country while making public denouncements of such acts? You think the Italians want to piss off and attract terrorists? Italy, like other European nations understand what they're dealing with and they're doing what they have to do politically.

With all due respect, I'm a bit surprised at the lack of nuance diplayed on this thread by folks who claim mastery of the form.

I am absoltely not surprised you want to throw blame like a spinning top going off in all directions..., posted on November 4, 2009 at 19:46:22
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 .. except somewhere close to home.
You write like a Bart Simpson excuse... it wasn't me, it was like that when I got here... ;-)))
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You're projecting Dave, I wasn't looking at the situation in terms of value judgements or strict legality, posted on November 4, 2009 at 20:10:47
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 When I was in the Army, there were a number of countries we soldiers were warned to stay away from in terms of vacationing or travelling on ones own free time. I won't list them all, but I will tell you that Italy was on that list. The reason is because of how easy it is to get into that country illegally and because of the number of Islamist terrorists in Italy who would love to kidnap a lone American serviceman. I'm not making legal opinions here. I'm simply explaining to you that Italy doesn't want Islamist Terrorists in its country but it's not going to go out of its way to piss them off at the risk of an attack. It would be bad for business. Italy is not alone in playing this game, there are many others.

"strict legality": is that the sort of "legality" that gets 23 people convicted?, posted on November 4, 2009 at 20:29:29
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 When were you in the army and how many Islamic terrorists were you told were stalking Americans in Italy?
Of course you won't list them all... let's face it, you're not going to list any...
How comforting to know you are in the inner circle of people who know how foreign countries operate.
Sorry, mate, but you'll have to do better than that if you expect anyone to take you seriously.
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Rendition in Italy - canned tomato sauce and dry pasta., posted on November 4, 2009 at 14:45:03
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 Maybe they do Chianti boarding?

Stupid Italy, convicting our criminals, who do they think they are?
Imagine if it had been reversed. . ., posted on November 4, 2009 at 14:35:41
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 . . . and foreign agents had kidnapped someone from the U.S.

Imagine the American freak out!

Yeah if Italian agents kidnapped an American the American response would be to invade Iran ~t, posted on November 4, 2009 at 14:49:33
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LOL! - Undoubtedly true! [nt], posted on November 4, 2009 at 15:06:41
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Don’t hold your breath for any of the Americans to see the inside of an Italian prison…, posted on November 4, 2009 at 14:28:49
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"terrorism" is a one way street for some people, posted on November 4, 2009 at 14:32:42
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 Illegal actions in a sovereign country with orders presumably running up the chain of command... it's a bad joke isn't it?
VERY bad.
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He was so dangerous he was tortured then imprisoned illegally/covertly for four years… ., posted on November 4, 2009 at 15:34:41
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 ... He was so dangerous he was released without a single charge ever being laid against him.

At least the USofA authorities didn’t act as judge, jury & executioner like they routinely do against foreigners SUSPECTED , but not convicted of any crime, of being a terrorist.












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several inmate are already overexcited at the thought, posted on November 4, 2009 at 16:24:16
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 I am sure they are thinking that will... oh hell I don't want to go near what they "think".
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