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Posted on November 3, 2009 at 06:53:46
gymwear5@hotmail.com
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 there is no limit to what they can force me to do...

At this time the only thing they can do is force me to pay my taxes. A long while back they could draft me to protect and serve my country. But, that's about it...

They can't force me to send my child to government schools - I don't
They can't take away the deed to my land. It's paid for.
They can't keep me from working 16 hour days in two jobs so I can afford to accomplish the above tasks. Oh, and I own all my cars, so they can't force me to have collision insurance on them.

AND, At this time, government can't dictate what kind of health insurance I have... a high deductible family policy, very comprehensive, once I reach that deductible, policy that cost me (at 50+) years old, less than $4000/year.
Have to agree with you; adding more "have to's" to pay for..., posted on November 3, 2009 at 22:55:24
mpathus
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 ...regardless of return is bad business and more personal liability to a government out of control and bent on sinking our boat.

Just bescause a myriad of other "have to's" exist doesn't justify more.

I say REPEAL bad laws and poorly thought out schemes that create undue burden for us.

RE: Have to agree with you; adding more "have to's" to pay for..., posted on November 4, 2009 at 03:10:47
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 Repeal indeed! That's the ticket. Follow if you will, Democrat majority must repeal Republican enactments,tit for tat, a Giant Loop, this is why "They all must Go", we need ordinary citizens for Congress, this is an elaborate scheme you are now uncovering, Finally! NWO, be aware!
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I truly never knew conservatives could be such whiners, posted on November 3, 2009 at 16:52:40
castironandtubes
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 Sorry if the government doesn't base their policies entirely on what works out better for you personally. Afterall, it is the United States of Gymwear isn't it?

BTW you can most definitely lose your property and cars if you have a medical bill that you can't afford. Or through that "eminently" conservative idea that is Eminent Domain (as greatly facilitated under the Bush administration.

Dave

"there is no limit to what they can force me to do": can they force you to get a brain?, posted on November 3, 2009 at 12:38:52
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 Instead of scare mongering which impresses no one but the most dyed in the wool winger, you might have thought of the important advantages for your country but, NO, all you can do is whinge and hope people are impressed.
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You already have insurance..., posted on November 3, 2009 at 10:34:07
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 So what are you worried about. If you have insurance you can keep it, the government isn't going to force anyone to change plans.

Wrong, posted on November 4, 2009 at 09:48:43
gymwear5@hotmail.com
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 The government is going to force me to choose one of the approved insurance plans... The high deductible plans where you don't spend "enough" are going by the wayside!

don't confuse him with facts, posted on November 3, 2009 at 13:37:59
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 He has his patriotic duty to do and by GOP he's gonna do it!
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Time to wake up!, posted on November 3, 2009 at 10:02:43
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 As others mentioned, the government coerces you into doing things every day.

People have already mentioned property tax, which if you don't pay, you can lose property.

They force cyclists to wear helmets and drivers to buckle up, they force you to drive at certain speeds, they force you to stop for symbolic government placed signage and will take away money or privileges if you do not obey.

They force you to watch what you imbibe before operating a motor vehicle.

They don't force you to send you kids to public school, but if you own property, they force you to subsidize public schools. They can force you to prove your child is making adequate academic progress in your 'out of system' plan, too.

You are a "manufacturer," they force you to maintain a workplace environment that is not overly menacing to your employees. They force you to maintain Materials and Data information for your workplace. They force you to maintain OSHA manuals, they force you to provide a minimum wage, they force you to pay your employees' taxes, the list goes on and on. They even control what you are allowed to say about your product!

Hell, they force you to handle food in certain ways. They force you to leave choices regarding many drugs to people they forced to follow certain procedures in order to able to decide which drugs you are allowed to take. Try exercizing your free right to narcotics, sleeping pills, antibiotics, you name it!

Holy cow, man. If it is finally the health care situation that wakes you up, then Planet Fox has let you down!
RE: Time to wake up!, posted on November 4, 2009 at 10:16:57
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 One by one:
Property Tax: It's a tax that's what government does! But that is a state and local tax - not a tax the federal government can impose.

Cyclist Helmets: Yes, that's a bad law: Again a local law - something the federal government could not impose on people. The only argument is that the otherwise incurred injuries of a helmetless operator might cause a stress.

The drunk driving laws are there to protect others (just as automobile insurance does) when operating a motor vehicle on public highways. If I was stupid enough to get drunk and operate a vehicle on private land everything is legal.

Education and taxation. Again a local law and depends on the state: Some state allow withholding of the "school" portion of property tax, if childless , or perhaps if only a senior. You could argue that the tax is a property tax in general and the state/local government decides where it goes.

A manufacturer is required to provide a safe place for the workers to perform their tasks. and a bunch of other stuff, like collect income taxes , social security and medicare. Again - as in automobile insurance the regulations encourage protection of others - not the owner of the business. In Fact, if you are a business owner and get hurt in the workplace you are NOT covered by workman's comp insurance.

Other stuff: The regulations are in place to protect OTHERS! Can't you see the difference? The Health Care fiasco is going to require that I protect myself, or pay an additional fee for the privilege.

All this does not even approach what will happen to the supply health care itself when insurance prices drop...
So you trash someone else's car, who pays ?, posted on November 3, 2009 at 09:15:50
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 You got the bucks to pay for a new Mercedes out-of-pocket ? Or are you expecting the other driver to have insurance ?

What if you are not rich enough to afford a private education ? What would you then about kids ? Send them to (gasp!) public schools ?

You do pay taxes on your land, do you not ?

Face it, government is a part of your life whether you like it or not.
RE: So you trash someone else's car, who pays ?, posted on November 4, 2009 at 10:23:14
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 OK, Auto insurance to protect OTHER driver's property and liabilities is required by my state if I own a vehicle AND I choose to operate the vehicle on public highway. If I rent my vehicle - I do not have to have car insurance, I'm not even required to buy the add-in insurance to protect the rental car I am driving... I am NOT required to buy insurance to protect MY property, or medical expenses when operating a vehicle I own on public highways.

You guys are so obtuse in not recognizing this dramatic difference in the role of government in EVERYONE'S life.

What does "very comprehensive" mean? Does that mean the "we" (the Gov't or hospital) will have to take up the, posted on November 3, 2009 at 08:06:33
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 slack for any coverage which you neglected to note is not covered by your policy?

Stay off those Federal highways, BTW; and, of course, you know that the Internet with which you communicate was a "gov't program" into which "we" paid.

Your land isn't taxed? You don't wear seat belts? You drive w/out insurance? nt, posted on November 3, 2009 at 07:39:32
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"They can't take away the deed to my land." Oh yes they can, anytime., posted on November 3, 2009 at 07:34:18
Chris O
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 Two ways. They can tax you to death on a whim and then there is the old "Eminent domain" grab.

"They can't force me to send my child to government schools." They can if they do not like your private school or do not like your home school. Again it is "like".

"...can't force me to have collision insurance on them" No, but there is liability insurance they force you to get.

"At this time, government can't dictate what kind of health insurance I have" Uhhh, Insurance is the most regulated of all industries. Your state has approved your insurance, you cannot buy insurance your state does not like.

Freedom is a state of mind.

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RE: ohn and some common sense plans offered by the Republicans...., posted on November 3, 2009 at 07:18:18
gymwear5@hotmail.com
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 In May, Republicans in the House and the Senate formed a bicameral coalition to produce the 130-page "Patients Choice Act of 2009."

In June, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) introduced the "Health Care Freedom Plan," a 41-page proposal.

And in July, the Republican Study Committee, under the leadership of Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.), unveiled the "Empowering Patients First Act," a 130-page plan.

None are seeing the light of day in the freedom sucking power grab by the Democrats.

that's not your post, you've pasted it from elsewhere and not credited it, posted on November 3, 2009 at 13:50:33
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 Anyone can search for those exact words and find that they appear on a number of sites word perfect and that leaves one conclusion: it's another emailed piece of trash from central control.
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They haven't seen the light of day..., posted on November 3, 2009 at 10:22:49
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 ...because they aren't real plans.

They are just obstacles the naysayers have tried to put in the way of real healthcare reform.

If you don't like it, maybe you should move to Canada or Europe.

Oh...they all force you to pay for healthcare.

America, love it or leave it.
"None have seen the light of day", LOL. They had six years to pass them between 01 and 06., posted on November 3, 2009 at 08:08:03
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