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discussing numbered "White Album" copies....

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Posted on October 22, 2010 at 16:13:45

SWBO-101 US Capitol/Apple "The Beatles"

Back before I knew anything much about records. Back before I had ever heard that UK and European Lp pressings might possibly be superior to some US pressings of the same performances. I just bought my Lps from the local shops.

The Beatles White Album had been long awaited. I suspect people were getting tired of playing The Magical Mystery Tour, over and over. At long last, "The White Album" was finally offered to the US public in November of 1968. I remember buying my copy, the one pictured, within the first two weeks of that announcement. Early December 1968.

It wasn't until some months later that I found out that only the early pressings had a serial number on the lower right corner of the front outer jacket. I think I first heard that on a local FM (underground) rock radio station. The DJ casually mentioned something to the effect that the first million copies had the number on the outer jacket. We now know that that wasn't entirely correct. But there were numbered copies for a time, and then, after that time, there weren't.

This one is No. A 0553635. Just over the 1/2 million mark.

edits/updates:
per Frank at "Across The Universe". 3.2 million numbered copies in the US. 600 thousand numbered copies in the UK. Several millions more around the world.
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"* lead character of "A" followed by a blank space...West Coast copies from about 210,000 up to just over 500,000 can be found in this style. The "A" looks like it was added with a different stamper. Apparently, the addition of an "A" made US releases more closely follow most foreign releases of the LP."
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Frank's site link: http://heroinc.fortunecity.com/btls/caplps.htm
best info I've found so far.

-Steve

 

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RE: discussing numbered "White Album" copies...., posted on October 22, 2010 at 16:38:55
johnsonad
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Hmm, I've got two copies, one with and one without the serial number. The one with is A2301123, well over your 1 million mark. Both are swap meet finds and beat to hell.

 

RE: discussing numbered "White Album" copies...., posted on October 22, 2010 at 16:40:32
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Right... another fifty cent record.

 

RE: well there goes that notion...., posted on October 22, 2010 at 16:58:40
an "A" prefixed serial number that goes over 2 million. They must have pressed several millions prior to the introduction of the album. Man, if I could only time travel back and hunt down some collectible Beatles Lps....


-Steve

 

Serial Number of White Album may be random., posted on October 22, 2010 at 18:28:51
RoscoeManx
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I bought my US White Album the first week out and what indicates it to be an early pressing are the INCORRECT titles of several songs on the actual record labels. Here is what I've got:

THE BEATLES

"WHITE ALBUM" Serial Number: A1430032

ORIGINAL PRESSING WITH INCORRECT TITLES FOR SEVERAL SONGS:


SIDE 1
TRACK 4: OBLADI OBLADA (CORRECT: OB-LA-DI, OB-LA-DA)
TRACK 6: BUNGALOW BILL (CORRECT: THE CONTINUING STORY OF BUNGALOW BILL)

SIDE 2
TRACK 5: ROCKY RACOON (1 c) (CORRECT: ROCKY RACCOON)

SIDE 4
TRACK 1: REVOLUTION NO. 1 (CORRECT: REVOLUTION 1)
TRACK 5: REVOLUTION NO. 9 (CORRECT: REVOLUTION 9)
TRACK 6: GOODNIGHT (without any space) (CORRECT: GOOD NIGHT)

THE CUT APPLE SIDE HAS THE SMALL CAPITOL LOGO ALONG ITS EDGE


The "CORRECT" titles are what Apple/Capitol issued on LATER press runs. You're copy of the White Album is indeed a later pressing because of the "The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill" title AND NOT the shorter 1st pressing title.

 

My numbered copy has a dot not a letter and is #2019460 mint minus with poster and pics still in it, posted on October 22, 2010 at 20:49:13
I paid (guessing) $20. a few years ago. (Before the big LP rebirth)I did have an original many years ago, and when I dumped all my records when I went to CD (I WAS an idiot)
I also have a Apple made in england copy of the White Album (no # on cover)

 

RE: some additional heresay...., posted on October 23, 2010 at 02:02:11
This is from "Vinyl Lp Record Collector's Guide"
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"White Album number variations;

no lead characters and no lead zeros
This variant is found only on very early records. I have seen several numbered 100 and earlier which fit this description. In each case, the records were manufactured in Los Angeles.
no lead characters but with lead zeros
This variant begins before number 1000 and is found on covers numbered less than about 210,000 and with records manufactured in Los Angeles.
lead character of "A" followed by a blank space
Next, West Coast copies from about 210,000 up to just over 500,000 can be found in this style. The "A" looks like it was added with a different stamper. Apparently, the addition of an "A" made US releases more closely follow most foreign releases of the LP.
lead character is a large dot
These can be found on covers numbered from about 500,000 to about 1,390,000 and with records pressed in either Jacksonville or Los Angeles.
lead character of "A" without any blank space
The "A" is printed in the same font as the number. Typically found on covers numbered from about 1,390,000 to about 2,250,000 and with records pressed in Scranton. These copies were available for purchase no later than January, 1969.
number prefixed by No
Notice that the "o" is elevated (superscripted). This is the same fashion as records from England were numbered. This variation is commonly found on covers numbering from about 2,250,000 to about 2,600,000 and with records pressed in Jacksonville.
number prefixed by No.
The characters are also in a thinner font on this variant, which is commonly found on higher numbered covers and with records pressed in Scranton.

Any copies with a catalogue number that starts with 1C062 is a re-issue from 1969 onwards
Posted by vinylmeister at 4:25 PM
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Frank said...

Albums with 1C062- as a prefix are from GERMANY. The other part of that quote applies to copies of the album from the USA.

Also, one needs to be available that three (US) Capitol factories were pressing at the same time, so that a copy from Scranton might have been pressed on the same day as a copy from LA, but the copy from LA was assigned a "lower" batch of numbers"

 

My copy has the print errors with, posted on October 23, 2010 at 05:47:33
goblin141
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a prefix of No with a dot under the o followed by 2 spaces and 2554322.

I a great copy and beats the unnumbered copy a lot.

 

I have a CD with a serial number, does that count?, posted on October 23, 2010 at 09:29:51
Biff
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Probably not since the first one and the millionth are "perfect."





 

RE: I have a CD with a serial number, does that count?, posted on October 23, 2010 at 09:53:59
I have that pair as well. From the 1987 remasters. Disc One has the serial number. 071122

Somehow, the digital 'perfection' of this particular remaster leaves me dry and thirsty. Sounds ok on a CD ghetto blaster out in the garage, though. :)

-Steve

 

Yours is earlier, it probably sounds better. Ha ha /nt, posted on October 23, 2010 at 11:13:50
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Soooo-it looks like I have a Scranton copy, posted on October 23, 2010 at 12:44:26
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#A1803747 all in the same font. It IS significantly better than my un-numbered set. Not too nuts about the sticker on the cover tho - 4-3/4" x 4" with the tunes listed.
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain

 

RE: Soooo-it looks like I have a Scranton copy, posted on October 23, 2010 at 13:02:52
Generally I leave the stickers, put on the outer jackets by the record companies, in place. Figuring they somehow help to date and document the album.

Was still pressed before Jan. 1969 and within the first 3 million copies. Sounds like an early copy to me. Just not 'early/early' like those with lower numbers and the misspellings on the label.

Cool.

-Steve

 

The best part is, posted on October 23, 2010 at 14:05:16
kavakidd
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I bought a box of LPs from a neighbor who was moving away. $20.00 for about 50 of them. This was one and it is NM or, at the very least, VG++.

A few other gems included the first Boston LP and Carly Simon's Greatest Hits. There were quite a few others but - memory isn't serving me well.
"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain

 

RE: discussing numbered "White Album" copies...., posted on October 23, 2010 at 16:14:11
Byrddawg
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I'd like to add to the confusion. I've got one A1984147 with OBLADI on label, one A 3032342 with OB-LA-DI on label, and one with black dot (space) 0733416 with OB-LA-DI label. Huh?

 

RE: discussing numbered "White Album" copies...., posted on October 23, 2010 at 18:34:00
I am far from a complete picture, yet, but I have been able to gather that the serial number on the front jacket does not indicate, exactly, the order in which the Lp was pressed. Rather, the order in which the jackets were manufactured and printed.

Soooooo, to further determine how early the pressing is, one needs to look at the dead wax code to find master/mother/stamper info.

That said, it seems only logical that the label misprints/errors would have been committed early and the corrections later.

Thanks for adding your examples details into the mix. Long term it may help me to put together something that resembles a key to understanding the numbered copies of The White Album.

-Steve

 

RE: even more info....., posted on October 23, 2010 at 18:41:42
This is from Across The Universe:
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"The Beatles SWBO-101
Ah, two whole albums of Beatles music! The story (according to Beatles Book #66) is that Capitol had treated the whole album to compression and limiting, but that George Harrison discovered this and attempted to undo their treatment. On "Cry Baby Cry," you can detect a "bad spot" (at "by the children") where something went wrong in the process.

The album featured a stark white cover with raised letters: "The Beatles." There was print only on the spine (title and catalog number) and on the back cover (one word: "stereo"). The UK issue opened from the top; the US issue took a more standard approach by opening from the side. Inside were goodies: a poster with lyrics on one side and four color photos (slightly smaller than the UK issue). There was also a tissue paper to keep the photos from being damaged. The UK issue featured black sleeves which were not included here.

This record was the first Beatles album release on their new label, Apple, and the record labels indicated that the album was manufactured by Capitol but issued by Apple. Finally, the albums were numbered, with each factory numbering differently. There were reportedly 12 copies of #1 (I know of two), and they numbered over 3,200,000 of them, although not all three million numbers may have been used. It appears that albums were numbered until some time in early-to-mid 1971.

Collecting variations in numbering style can be an interesting sideline. I know of seven variations in numbering style, as follows:

* no lead characters and no lead zeros
This variant is found only on very early records. I have seen several numbered 100 and earlier which fit this description. In each case, the records were manufactured in Los Angeles.
* no lead characters but with lead zeros
This variant begins before number 1000 and is found on covers numbered less than about 210,000 and with records manufactured in Los Angeles.
* lead character of "A" followed by a blank space
Next, West Coast copies from about 210,000 up to just over 500,000 can be found in this style. The "A" looks like it was added with a different stamper. Apparently, the addition of an "A" made US releases more closely follow most foreign releases of the LP.
* lead character is a large dot
These can be found on covers numbered from about 500,000 to about 1,390,000 and with records pressed in either Jacksonville or Los Angeles.
* lead character of "A" without any blank space
The "A" is printed in the same font as the number. Typically found on covers numbered from about 1,390,000 to about 2,250,000 and with records pressed in Scranton. These copies were available for purchase no later than January, 1969.
* number prefixed by No
Notice that the "o" is elevated (superscripted). This is the same fashion as records from England were numbered. This variation is commonly found on covers numbering from about 2,250,000 to about 2,600,000 and with records pressed in Jacksonville.
* number prefixed by No.
The characters are also in a thinner font on this variant, which is commonly found on higher numbered covers and with records pressed in Scranton.

Label variations also exist. The true first label copies, pressed at all three Capitol factories, have incorrect titles for several songs on sides 1 and 4 as follows:

Track Title on Original Label Title on Corrected Label
Side 1, Track 4 Obladi Oblada Ob-la-di, Ob-la-da
Side 1, Track 6 Bungalow Bill The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill
Side 4, Track 1 Revolution No. 1 Revolution 1
Side 4, Track 5 Revolution No. 9 Revolution 9
Side 4, Track 6 Goodnight Good Night

All of the covers have the correct titles.
Since the mistakes were discovered almost immediately, copies of the album are easily found with Side 4 showing the corrected songs, but with Side 1 not corrected, or vice-versa. Here is a label shot of the incorrect "Obladi Oblada" and "Bungalow Bill" titles. Here is the corrected label. There may be roughly 100,000 copies that show both labels with the incorrect titles. These incorrect titles were also used on first issues of the reel to reel tape, four track, eight track, and cassette. Second issues of the reel tape have the "side 1" song titles corrected.
Later on, some labels have small notations indicating "Disc 1" and "Disc 2."

Another variation, usually not noticed, deals with the "banding" of the album. When Sgt. Pepper was released in England, the tracks were not separated (banded), but they ran all together. The US album WAS banded. When this album was released, apparently there was considerable sweat over whether the album should be banded: you'll find some copies banded and others unbanded. Even copies pressed at the same factory differ in this way. At first, the record was issued with "banded" album tracks, and matrices with master numbers less than or equal to 39 are banded. It appears that an effort was made to conform more to the British LP by switching to "unbanded" records. Matrix numbers 40 through 43 are the only ones to my knowledge that correspond to "unbanded" LP's. Click here to view a "J40" matrix whose record is unbanded.

Another #1 on the charts without any singles.

NOTE about later pressings: Numbering was stopped c. 1970. After 1975, the raised lettering "The Beatles" was replaced by ordinary gray print. The pictures show a decrease in quality on later issues."

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This appears to be a more complete quote from the one I had posted earlier and below.

-Steve

 

My brain hurts. /nt, posted on October 23, 2010 at 21:09:27
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Yup, and from across the universe, it would...(nt), posted on October 23, 2010 at 21:18:59
nt

 

Wait till it gets re-issued, #'d and the process begins yet again...N/T, posted on October 24, 2010 at 13:01:26
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RE: even more info....., posted on October 25, 2010 at 16:52:38
splunge
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My copy which I purchased in late Jan/early Feb. 1969 in central California has "A 0455588" on the cover, is unbanded, has the small Capitol on the label edge, has matrixes J40 for S1, S3, S4 and J41 for S2. I still have the original poster & pictures. I have 4 other copies including another numbered copy (dot 1264994), banded, J44 - S1, J53 - S2, J52 - S3, J48 - S4, no Capitol on the label edge. This was purchased recently. I also have a late 70's UK copy, mid 70's (orange label) and early 80's (black label w/rainbow) copies.

The original one I bought back in 1969 is head and shoulders above all the other copies in sound quality. Unfortunately, it's only in VG+ condition as I listened to it on a cheap portable record player as a kid.

Songs like Blackbird, Honey Pie have incredibly life like sound. Songs like Birthday, Helter Skelter, Everybody's Got Some to Hide and Savoy Truffle rock with thick bass that other copies can't compare (including the CD remasters). Despite the occasional tick or crackle, this is copy I listen to.

Mark

 

RE: even more info....., posted on September 19, 2021 at 11:51:15
Donnie-man
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Has anybody else seen US White Album serial numbers with serial numbers that combined symbols, such as stars, hearts, clover leaves or other symbols with numerals? when I was in a Seattle record shop, I saw several old White Albums that included one, two or some symbols with the numerals in the serial number. These LPs looked legit, old, and had Apple labels. Can anybody tell me the story of these copies that included symbols within their serial numbers?

 

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