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Will someone please remaster Lynyrd Skynyrd?

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Posted on November 6, 2009 at 05:39:40
artemus
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 Maybe it's not audiophile music but it has a lot of good music and good pickin'. Second Helping has be redone, but IMO, its one of their lesser offerings. Pronounced (1st), Nothing Fancy, Give Me Back My Bullets and Street Survivors would be a good start Maybe I should go over to Hoffman's site and suggest this.
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I wouldn't bother., posted on November 7, 2009 at 09:32:49
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 I totally agree with the need for a source of GOOD sounding Skynyrd LPs (all the ones I've found really do sound seriously blah/flat), but the Steve Hoffman remasters have some kind of life-sucking effect on the music. They put me to sleep. After trying his Second Helping and Tres Hombres I'm done with them.

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There are 3 "Street Survivor" albums on Epay with Flame cover and tan label MCA, posted on November 6, 2009 at 18:58:28
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 Seems like the flame cover is more available than the original blue rainbow album since the tan label is a later pressing
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The flame cover/tan pressing is earlier than the blue/rainbow., posted on November 6, 2009 at 19:49:18
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 MCA pulled the flame cover after the plane crash.
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MCA Label Order: Black Rainbow, Tan, Blue Rainbow, posted on November 7, 2009 at 12:38:47
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 tan label came around the late 70's and most are terrible, blue rainbow label with clouds was early 80's.


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That's what I thought., posted on November 7, 2009 at 13:38:00
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 Wonder if some Ebay sellers are sticking later pressings of Street Survivors in flame covers, selling them as first pressings.
I remember the tan label MCAs and how bad they were, for the most part. I have a couple that sound pretty good, though.
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I thought the tan label was after the blue rainbow which, posted on November 6, 2009 at 20:54:06
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 would make it a reissue. Maybe I'm wrong but i thought the blue rainbow was the correct one for flame cover. I know the flame cover was pulled after the plane crash. but the crash took place very shortly after the release of the album, IIRC. I'm thinking the plane crash happened no more than a few weeks after the albums release
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Pretty sure blue/rainbow came last., posted on November 7, 2009 at 03:12:05
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 I have some country albums on MCA that were released in the 1990s and they're on blue/rainbow.
Not that it really makes much difference.
Skynyrd gets made fun of a lot because of "Free Bird," but the folks who hate Skynyrd just because of that one song don't realize how good that band was. They weren't just another Southern boogie band; they wrote great songs, they played great, they rehearsed like madmen to be on top of their game, and the albums were well-produced and mixed.
The band was getting better and better with each record and a lot of untapped potential was lost when the plane went down.
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RE: Pretty sure blue/rainbow came last., posted on November 7, 2009 at 07:03:43
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 I was a huge Skynyrd fan back in the day, so I absolutely agree with you concerning the band and their music. I'm still thinking the tan label was last because I can't remember seeing them til I got back into vinyl. But maybe i am wrong.

BTW, I was up your way a month or so ago. You live in western PA don't you? We went to Niagara falls. On the way, we spent the night in Cranberry Township, just north of Pittsburgh


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RE: Pretty sure blue/rainbow came last., posted on November 7, 2009 at 08:36:53
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 Cranberry is about an hour and a half from Donora, where I live. I'm south of the City.
Cranberry is one of those road-junction towns, sprang up around the junctions of Rt.19, I-79, and the PA Turnpike.
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That's the area I'm most familiar with, posted on November 7, 2009 at 09:28:19
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 although I grew up in Monroeville.


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There is just too little room for them!
Artie, listen to sberger., posted on November 6, 2009 at 15:07:52
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 He's right about the originals. I've got Second Helping on the original Sounds of the South label, Nuthin' Fancy on black/rainbow MCA, and a flame-cover tan MCA Street Survivors. Even the dreaded tan MCA sounds pretty damned good.
And FWIW, Ronnie Van Zant was highly under-rated as a songwriter in my humble opinion.
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Yeah. Makes sense. It was early when I posted. Brains weren't fully engaged, posted on November 6, 2009 at 19:02:16
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 Few reissues match the originals. I guess I was thinking about those horrid tan label MCA's which are among the poorest pressings on the planet
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Not all the tan MCAs are bad., posted on November 6, 2009 at 19:11:49
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 Got a Webb Pierce greatest hits package on tan MCA that sounds surprisingly good. Clean pressing, too.

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All the bad ones are at my house!!, posted on November 7, 2009 at 07:06:25
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 The ones I have sound so bad that I'd rather listen to a cd
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While on the subject..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 08:48:16
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 ...what's rare about this one? I have one, bought it sealed long ago.


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RE: While on the subject..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 08:57:34
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 Nothing. Seller has it wrong. Pretty sure this is the third label incarnation after the original yellow "Sounds Of The South" and the black rainbow.

Definitely a later issue..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 09:38:46
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 The tan labels suck as far as I'm concerned, at least with other recordings I've had. I thought a first pressing would be on the black rainbow label but I'm pretty sure those tan labels were much later. In fact he has noted it's a 1976 mis-pressing and original. The record came out in '74.

RE: Definitely a later issue..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:36:10
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 Tan labels were an 80's press. And they do suck. As I said, the yellow SOTH label was the first, and best pressing, although the black rainbow's are very good also.

RE: Definitely a later issue..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 11:58:44
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 I can only think of a couple Tan label MCA that I have, one is a Who by Numbers that is blown away by a Polydor issue I recently picked up. I don't have any Skynard and have never seen the yellow label MCA.

RE: Definitely a later issue..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 12:39:37
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 Here's one on the Bay now...

Do you have the originals?, posted on November 6, 2009 at 08:40:10
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 Because I (and many others) think they sound great. If you don't have them already, search out the yellow label, Sounds Of The South copies of the first 2 albums, and a black rainbow original of "Nuthin' Fancy". I don't think you'll be disappointed.

And while I know you're speaking about vinyl, Audio Fidelity recently reissued a gold cd of "Second Helping" mastered by Hoffman that I think sounds outstanding.

I have a yellow Sounds of the South LP of their first, in good condition., posted on November 7, 2009 at 09:40:52
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 It might be the worst sounding record that I own. I could write ten pages about the ridiculously low quality of this pressing, I guess because I was so disappointed with it. I really wish I could find high quality Skynyrd vinyl.

If you have Sounds of the South pressings that sound "great," something strange is going on.

Hukk

Unfortunately no, posted on November 6, 2009 at 12:36:50
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 I had them til I got into perfect sound forever.
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I like the Skynyrd albums, but I've gotten to where, posted on November 6, 2009 at 05:49:46
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 I only buy re-issue LP's if a mint original is much more expensive than the re-issue. I buy a lot of jazz re-issues, for example.

I learned my lesson on the ZZ Top re-issues. I found a really nice mint original London copy of Tres Hombres for less than $10 and it blew away the Hoffman remaster. No contest.

Skynyrd LP's are almost a dime-a-dozen, they're everywhere. It can take some time to find copies that haven't taken a beating, but when you can just about buy the whole catalog for what one re-issue would cost it's hard for me to justify it.


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Good point about the reissues. They are most often inferior or at least no better but pricier, posted on November 6, 2009 at 06:05:53
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 My problem is that I live in the south where Skynyrd was god & the albums are hard to find. I have most of their albums but some are the MCA brown/Tan label which is very flat sounding. Thanks for the idea though. Maybe its time to go looking.
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Those tan label MCAs are so bad., posted on November 6, 2009 at 08:21:16
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 I wonder if there's any Skynyrd on SACD? I'd settle for that.

God what a great band, cut down in their absolute prime. Still hurts.


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Standard remastered cd beats my tan label Gimmee Back My Bullets *, posted on November 6, 2009 at 19:06:56
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RE: You Could try looking for these ..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 06:24:18
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 It's a pity that you did not pick the German remasters of 'Second Helping' and 'Street Survivors' from 4 or 5 years ago which were available in the U.S. via the usual outlets.

One member here said that this German 180 gram 'Second Helping' was superior to the U.S. original (?), that is very subjective, of course. I have it (2 copies in fact) and I like it a lot. I bought the original UK pressing when it came out but I don't have it now!! Pity.

The German 180 gram 'Street Survivors' (complete with flame cover) is truly wonderful, it could have been recorded yesterday! I'd say it's one of the best sounding LPs in my 7K+ collection. If an original U.S. tops this, well it must be fantastic. MCA in Germany made a really good job of this one, one reissue that lives up to its billing.

I don't know if you can find these very easily now, but try GEMM or Music Stack; here are the catalogue numbers: -

Second Helping (MCA) 111648-1 ***** German 180 gram press
Street Survivors (MCA) 111535-1 ***** German 180 gram press

Lynyrd Skynyrd was my favourite band right after I heard 'Pronounced ..' when it first appeared. They don't make bands this good anymore, do they?
RE: You Could try looking for these ..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 08:15:10
Tao
 The MCA 180's do sound very good. Geffen also released the 180 of Second Helping after UMG folded MCA Records and its catalog into Geffen. It's still available new at Acoustic Sounds, probably the other web dealers too.
Thanks for the info *, posted on November 6, 2009 at 06:53:06
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