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Am I too old for 45rpm? Or just lazy?

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Posted on November 6, 2009 at 05:27:04
artemus
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 So here I am getting ready to buy the New "Aqualung" 4 disk 45 RPM set and I'm thinking, Geez? Do I really want to get up and change the record that often?. I mean................what's that, like one song per side? 11 songs in 8 sides? OK, three sides have 2 songs.
I've never indulged in a 45 set so maybe it is time. But gosh? I have to change every song?
And just imagine when I get older and have to go into a nursing home? How mad its going to make the aides in the nursing home when I keep hollerin' NURSE! NURSE! TIME TO FLIP THE ALBUM!!! They're already gonna be mad because of the volume.
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RE: one way to find out...., posted on November 8, 2009 at 01:11:25
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 I have it. Mike Lavigne's send-up for this box set convinced me to buy one. considering that this is a 4-Lp box set, the price is probably reasonable. I bought it online through Classic Rec's site and chose "hand select" as the no-cost option. The example that I received appears to be nearly flawless in every way that vinyl can be judged. Labels well centered. No warps. Quiet, (almost) noiseless vinyl.

Sound quality in my system is excellent for this genre of music. I get a very clean, well articulated, full sounding, surprisingly well detailed and even "airy" sound from this album. It is an improvement over the 33-1/3rd re-master that Classic did a year ago....or so, which I also have...along with a ubiquitous Chrysalis issue from back in the seventies or thereabouts.

But is it worth the bother of getting up every 10 to 7 minutes (times 4) just to play through the entire Lp...? Judge for yourself. The sound quality really is quite good. Maybe if you're just in the mood for a segment of the album, rather than listing all the way through, this could be an excellent option. But if you like this music, this version really is good.

-Steve










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She wants to move at 78! It's never too late!, posted on November 7, 2009 at 20:49:44
cpielock@eaglebrook.org
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 Whew and can she vibrate!

RE: Am I too old for 45rpm? Or just lazy?, posted on November 7, 2009 at 17:26:49
rccc@wildblue.net
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 Im putting my 45 rpm bluenotes on my computer at 24/96 now I dont have to get up at all and the records stay nearly new, when Im in the mood to hear really great vinyl I spin the (LP?) record. I find the dubs to be really close to the record in sound and being able to stay seated for several albums in a row is really nice specially since I find myself dozing off after a late night of listening. The funny thing is that on a few of them I didnt trim the ends and so still had the end of side noise making me lurch out of my chair only to realize it was the recording. A lifetime of conditioning!

RE: Am I too old for 45rpm? Or just lazy?, posted on November 7, 2009 at 14:51:34
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 I buy 'em and enjoy 'em, but even I'll admit the up and down is a nuisance. I won't play them after work when sitting with a cocktail or a beer is too good to interrupt with getting up every 5-7 minutes. The weekend is another story altogether when I will play 45rpms all day long sometimes.

I'd buy them all if I could afford them. The ones I have that I also have the 33 1/3 versions of are definitely better sonically and worth the inconvenience IMO.

RE: A Busty French Maid., posted on November 7, 2009 at 05:06:28
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 In my case, I always thought if I employed an attractive, busty French maid, then I would get into 45 RPM reissues, because I would have a helper (with a 21 day trsining period in turntable technology and techniques) in flipping the album sides.

Hence. the French maid allowance hasn't been worked into my monthly household budget as of this posting. I'll happily stick to our beloved 33 1/3 format.

Ed
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I stopped buying them., posted on November 6, 2009 at 19:28:09
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 I agree with everyone below that the sound is better, a bit. But for me the side changing hassle is just not tolerable at 50 bucks a pop.

I'm lazy. So won't be buying any 45 RPM albums. In fact..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 18:45:00
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 I don't even like the high fidelity 33 1/3 RPM albums that only have a few songs per side. The additional sound quality just isn't worth the extra effort.

I'm lazy, but do enjoy listening to music.

Tom

I am forming the IHFFR club., posted on November 6, 2009 at 14:22:35
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 The "I Hate Forty Five Records" club will meet on the 6th Tuesday of every month.

On those days we will play only 45 RPM LPs at 33 1/3.


There is no such thing as too many records.
There is just too little room for them!
"On those days we will play only 45 RPM LPs at 33 1/3.", posted on November 7, 2009 at 05:36:44
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 Well, if you are on 'ludes, that would work fine . . . nyuk, nyuk.


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RE: I am forming the IHFFR club., posted on November 6, 2009 at 16:34:19
Marc Bratton
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 You laugh...my wife used to do this. Come to think of it, so did I!

I am selective about the ones that I buy..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 13:20:45
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 and I need to be in a "serious listening" mood to pull them out. But I do enjoy it when I play them. I also went the Kavakid route and bought a TASCAM CD burner. Those 45s make some damn fine CDs!

*
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RE: Am I too old for 45rpm? Or just lazy?, posted on November 6, 2009 at 12:35:37
Tao
 Actually it's a 4 sided release as it's a single sided pressing. 3 songs on 3 sides and 2 on 1. Does that help? : )

Two words, dude -end of record lift, posted on November 6, 2009 at 12:14:32
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 Although shunned by the hair shirts, an end of record lift is a great addition. Especially since you mentioned loud volumes. It lets you gather yourself after a listen, and time to carefully place your refreshments aside . Much better than sprinting over to end the loud run out scratch before it shoots the tweeters across the room.

Try to get a gentle lift, as the amplified thump would kind of spoil what you are trying to achieve.

I've had occasions where the non rush to lift the arm has left the platter spinning for some time, like a week end.

Try to avoid that.

and change the position of your TT..., posted on November 7, 2009 at 00:23:20
jlo.veys
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 ...and put it just in front of you so you don't have to get up to flip the record. :-)
Many times I wanted to do that but my cables are too short !

Jean.

RE: It could be worse..............................., posted on November 6, 2009 at 10:17:06
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.....how about 10 sides for the Tchaikovsky No.5

RE: It could be worse..............................., posted on November 6, 2009 at 12:15:05
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 But with a 45 changer it's just like an LP, except for the hiccups.


"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
No problem here, I preffer the 45RPM format.., posted on November 6, 2009 at 10:16:56
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 as long as their is better quality in sound.


Rick
It's all about the music!
at LAST, posted on November 6, 2009 at 09:24:53
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 others who share my lack of paeience with the 45rpm format. yeah, the sound is a bit better but the jumping up and down every 10 minutes or so is a drag.

my copy of 'midnight sugar' is superb but too work intensive.

thanks guys for echoing my feelings.

...regards...tr

If you grew up with 78s, and still play them ..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 10:18:35
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 ... 10-minute-long 45 sides will strike you as generous timing :-)

Those and 7" 45 singles. )MT(, posted on November 6, 2009 at 10:55:18
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Dave
Later Gator,

Crank up your talking machine, grab a jar of your favorite "kick-back", sit down, relax, and let the go
7" 45 singles., posted on November 6, 2009 at 14:03:29
hifitommy
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 i had those as a teenager with a changer. i wouldnt buy albums then. i ended up with about 500 of them in a way they equate to mp3s of today. disposable music one song at a time.

...regards...tr

RE: at LAST, posted on November 6, 2009 at 10:05:55
blade
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 x2. For this reason, I only have two 45s which were given to me ;-)

No...there is something about LP length..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 08:04:01
rebop
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 There is just something about the length of an LP, around 20-25 minutes per side, a little break in the middle, that just "works." When I listen to a CD, I feel like they are too long without that break in the middle, particularly if they are CDs that "fill up" the CD timewise. But those 45 RPM sets, as good as they sound, just chop the listening experience too much for me. It's not laziness, it's just that 10 minutes or so is not long enough to sit back, settle in and relax. I don't enjoy it as much as an aesthetic experience as a 33 RPM LP.

RE: No...there is something about LP length..., posted on November 7, 2009 at 05:21:56
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 I agree. The LP length is just about perfect. After 20-25 minutes, I take a break and go flip the record and I quite enjoy the ritual. But anything less than that length I start to get annoyed.

I am usually in a semi lazy mode when I listen to vinyls, so I use semi-automatic turntables. Fortunately, I have several turntables that at least can lift the arm at the end of record and stop the platter spinning. Audiophiles snicker at them but mechanism like that need not to be complicated or detrimental to the sound and they are helpful to the listening experience. For example, I had a Yamaha YP-D71 that worked flawlessly in that regard. However, the fully automatic turntables, like a Pioneer PL-570 or Technics SL-1300mk2, are prone to failure due to the complicated circuit and mechanism and usage over the years and are hard to fix so I had to end up gutting those functions. Anyway, what I don't understand is that many audiophile turntables that cost more than a car offer no such mechanism in a simple and elegant way. I believe the early Teres turntable had a timer on the motor that at least shuts off after 40 minutes of continuous play in 33rpm. Now, that's a good start.








Good explanation and reason, posted on November 6, 2009 at 14:25:48
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 I agree wholeheartedly.


There is no such thing as too many records.
There is just too little room for them!
RE: No...there is something about LP length..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 08:54:45
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 That's me too.

45rpm LP sounds great but it's over just about the time I've really leaned back, taken the glasses off and finally gotten into it.

CD are too long.

33rpm Lp's are just right.

Of course it's probably just because that's what I grew up on. But I'm kinda the same way with books and movies. I'm all antsy for the first few minutes.

I do love the sound of the 45's. But I always listen to 'em in bunches because I have to change the belt too.

I'm mid 30's - and lazy, posted on November 6, 2009 at 07:52:38
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 Granted I mostly grew up in the CD / digital / hyperactive / no attention span generation. And yes, I have a massive lossless and high-rez digital library in addition to my vinyl (for that reason!).

But I feel like just when I'm getting into the album I'm getting up to flip it with these new 45's. Yeah, they sound good... but...


You're probably a bit of both..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 07:38:54
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 And, besides, it kind of ruins the "listening mood" for me when I have to get up every 10 minutes or so to flip the vinyl. I think I've got, like, 25 to 30 45 RPM, and gotta admit I haven't listened to them since I first received them (AP #213 on their 2nd run).

Then I started thinking, "$50.00 per record?!!?! Am I nuts?" I am nuts, but a little cheap to boot and quit buying all "audiophile" grade vinyl, unless I can pick up something used for a good price.
Just to balance this out., posted on November 6, 2009 at 06:06:29
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 I've been buying a bunch of the Blue Note and other 45 reissues. At 80, I figure I can use the exercise. In any event, I don't find it an issue. The "issue" is an occasional failure to reset the tt speed back to 33. Geezer memory and all that.
Dave, posted on November 6, 2009 at 06:52:38
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 You'll know yer in real trouble when you forget to set the speed back but don't notice the difference (-:

BTW are you really 80 or just being facetious?
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Not facetious., posted on November 6, 2009 at 07:24:27
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 Born in 1929, and unless my math skills have left me too ...

I wonder who the "eldest statesman" is around here. /nt, posted on November 6, 2009 at 08:38:29
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That's an honor I could do without., posted on November 6, 2009 at 08:40:36
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 C'mon folks, step up and be counted :-)

At 67 I could be, posted on November 6, 2009 at 13:33:40
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 second!!??

"Man is the only animal that blushes - or needs to" Mark Twain
RE: Nah, sonny., posted on November 8, 2009 at 07:54:29
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 70 here.


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Well...it would mean you got farther than anyone else., posted on November 6, 2009 at 13:21:23
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 Or is that further? Whatever.


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RE: That's an honor I could do without., posted on November 6, 2009 at 13:03:32
Tao
 Not very close yet but I hope I have the same enthusiasm as you for music when I do get there.

Looking at your profile I see we have hobbies in common. For me mostly a focus on NW artists, Callahan, Tobey, Chihuly, Graves etc and a 997 Cab S to enjoy on the roads and in the weather of Southern California.


What is even worse is..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 07:16:00
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 ...forgetting to set the speed back and enjoying the result.




Dave
Later Gator,

Crank up your talking machine, grab a jar of your favorite "kick-back", sit down, relax, and let the go
RE: What is even worse is..., posted on November 6, 2009 at 08:58:29
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 I recently bought the new Portishead album, Third. They are a group I wasn't familiar with, but my son likes them a lot. I heard a snippet of the record and liked the interesting mood and mix. So I took it home and listened to it, thought it sounded strange and moody and nice when I am in a certain mood. When my son came over I was telling him how much I enjoyed it. He hadn't heard it, so I put it on. He was saying "Dad, I think you have it on the wrong speed". My response "oh no, I think this is correct". Note that this is an album with vocals. He said, a little later, no I really think it is the wrong speed. We flipped it to 45, and all of a sudden the vocals were much more intelligible. Boy did I feel stupid! :-)
I couldn't find anywhere on the cover or label where it said 45 rpm. I have a few like that.

Personally I like audiophile grade 180 gm 33 rpm vinyl, I think that's the best. I don't think going to 45 or heavier vinyl is any improvement, at least on my system. I have been buying some of the 45rpm jazz reissues, if that's what is offered to get the best pressings. But I would be happier if they concentrated on making great-sounding 33 rpm equivalent releases. I agree 20 minutes a side just seems about right.

RE: What is even worse is..., posted on November 7, 2009 at 08:29:54
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 Funny, I did the same thing! It sounded better at 33 and it hasn't been played since....

I have tons of 45s, posted on November 6, 2009 at 05:33:51
Paully
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 And can't remember playing 1 in the last 5 years. And I ain't that old. So I guess that means lazy is the only option.

But seriously, good sound is great but convenience matters at least a little.

Me 3, posted on November 7, 2009 at 08:39:11
DaveInVA
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 I used to have an old Jukebox and literly have 1000's of them yet. I haven't played very many of them in a long while though.

Dave

Me too. Many hundreds., posted on November 6, 2009 at 07:08:18
Biff
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 I have days where I'll drag a box out and play a bunch. It's good exercise. Well, it's good exercise around here anyway.

Some of them sound damn good too.


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