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HK Rabco ST-8 experts-tips?

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Posted on November 5, 2009 at 21:29:20
scrooie looie
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My brother has one that's been running, seemingly perfectly, for the past 12 years. Not a glitch. Is there any specific routine maintenance, other than new belts, that should be performed? I'm assuming that if something goes wrong it would be curtains for this deck. One tech he contacted didn't even want to see it! The design sure *seems* touchy. Is there a best source for new belts? They feel fine at this time even though they must be quite old.

TIA!

I've got some...., posted on November 6, 2009 at 07:33:15
doodlebug
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I restored an HK/Rabco ST-7 this summer. Here's what I learned:

- Rabco arm: There's a little tire that the carriage rides on. This little thing is buried inside the carriage mechanism and rides on top of the long, black roller. It pitches side-to-side so that the carriage will track with the tone arm as it moves across the LP. The problem is that this tire's material, at least on my unit, had _melted_ into a puddle of goo; rendering the whole mechanism usless. The good news is that I found a replacement at the local Ace Hardware store in the plumbing section. The bad news is that you have to remove the carriage from the mechanism and then pull the little roller out to replace it. The service manual shows how to do it and how to realign everything but it is not for the faint-of-heart. This is likely why your local tech backed off.

- Tone arm wiring: Expect to see weak joints where the small wires exit the carriage and are soldered onto a terminal strip. Most of the ground wires on the carriage break first, it seems, from the carriage movement. I use a small piece of heat shrink tubing when I resolder the ground wire to help relieve stress on that joint.

- Tonearm setup jig and spacers: Originally supplied with the turntable, this oddly shaped piece of plastic is designed to set the overhang and VTA for the cartridge you use. I've had the opportunity to borrow one long enough to get the measurments off it and then transfer them to a Home Depot framing angle tool so I can do without it. They're often lost and tend to sell for big $$ on eBay as a result. Locate your brother's and put it in a bank vault deposit box.

- Belts: They're available from some eBay suppliers. Be aware that I know one person with an ST7 who received the wrong size belt from one supplier who didn't make good. Mine are ok so far.

- Motor and controller board: There are some electrolytic caps that should be replaced mainly for their age. There's 2 or 3 on the motor itself and then a few on the controller board.

- Colored light bulbs: These are actually some odd-ball bulbs that you can find available from online light bulb specialists but only in packages of 10. The shipping will far outweigh the bulb costs. The unit will not operate correctly if they're burned out.

- End of LP auto arm lift circuit: there's another bulb in the back of the TT that activates the end of LP lift function. After a full rebuild, you have to reset the adjustments to make it work. It can be touchy and requires a different bulb than the other lights.

BTW, I've _really_ impressed with this TT in terms for performance. Frankly, the Technics SL-1200 I have is still in the box after I rotated this ST7 into my system. I picked up another one in August just for spares and may sell the SL-1200 at some point.

I have a service manual for the ST-7, which I believe, is pretty much, just a silver-faced version of the black-colored ST-8.

Cheers,

David

RE: I've got some...., posted on November 6, 2009 at 19:40:39
scrooie looie
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Thanks for the great response, doodlebug. Just what I was hoping for. If there's one thing I have it's patience, and it seems that I'll need it on this one. He claims that he has a manual somewhere for it. There was an original on eBay last week, so I hope he does!

The deck is practically flawless cosmetically, and honestly, it's sounds great with an older AT440POCC that's well broken in. Just smashes the Jolida JD100 he just shelled out for, and further shelled out for a bunch of vintage 12AXs to replace the dreadful stockers.

Well, onward and upward. Thanks again for the insight.

You can usually find belts on Ebay., posted on November 6, 2009 at 02:33:17
olddude55
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There's a rubber tire on a wheel that drives the arm across the record. Often, the tire will dry up and come apart with the result that the arm won't move.
The tire can be replaced with a simple plumber's O-ring found at any hardware store. Can't remember exactly which one, but if you search the archives, you'll find it.

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the O ring, posted on November 6, 2009 at 18:04:45
hifitommy
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what a GREAT idea. i have never owned an st7 , just the st4 which was great in its day but the wow and flutter got to me.

i have seen other queries regarding the drive wheel which nobody was able to sufficiently answer.

just as the st7 and its brothers were coming into the market, the CD was launched. but before that happened, i saw a modification where a guy drilled the arm tube until it looked like swiss cheese.

what did you ever do with the st4? i found the belt and the 45 adapter long after i sent it to you.

regarding repair guys, many times they are too lazy to do a good job. there was one in northridge california that couldnt handle my pioneer PLL1000a. i simply called pioneer in compton california and YES, they had the parts to replace the dead rubber. $15 delivered. i had to figure out how to get the thing apart and fix it myself.

the same shop ruined my hk citation 15 tuner. another shop couldnt fix a nad 7020 and they were an autorized nad repair.

...regards...tr

RE: the O ring, posted on November 7, 2009 at 11:15:20
olddude55
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The ST-4 is gone. The motor ran but wouldn't turn the platter (I still have the motor around here somewhere, and the platter mat).
The arm is going strong, been using it steady for just about a year now.
You changed my life when you sent me that email asking if I was interested in buying your old Rabco. I've ripped close to 300 LPs and put 500 hours just on the AT150MLx alone, not to mention the main thing which is getting clued into straight line tracking. I'll never go back to a pivoting arm.
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