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MM vs MC is MC THAT much better?
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Posted on December 29, 2016 at 05:54:12 | ||
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I guess I should start by saying I've never heard a MC cart and that the best MM cart I have is a Goldring 1012GX which I really like. The rest are low rent P mounts or low end AT carts that I find on thrift tables. All my phono preamps have that tantalizing "MC" setting and I'm getting the itch to hear what all the hoopla is about. But it's quite the investment! Can someone that made the transition tell me about the experience? With all the devotion I read about there must be something to it! |
They are not gone..., posted on December 31, 2016 at 01:30:27 | |
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SoundSmith and Grado make low output MM/MI cartridges with very low moving mass and very good stylus choices. These cartridges make the choice between LOMC, LOMM and LOMI difficult. All of these require the extra amplification stage that all types of low output cartridges require, and I believe all of them have fixed stylus assemblies. That makes choosing between them difficult. In the end you have to listen to each cartridge, paired with the same tonearm and phono preamp you will be using, if possible. The issue of whether they are moving coil, moving magnet or moving iron (induced) cartridges is not an issue. How they sound is. Ed Life is analog...digital is just samples thereof |
RE: MM vs MC is MC THAT much better?, posted on December 29, 2016 at 06:53:03 | |
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You probably need to try a LOMC cartridge and decide for yourself. There are advocates on both sides of the fence. Try one of the lower cost MC cartridges that have gained a good reputation such as Denon's DL-103, DL-103R, DL-301II and Audio Technica's AT33EV. You might decide you like MM cartridges just as well or even better. Personally, I like LOMC cartridges better than all the MM cartridges I've tried, but that's just me. From an objective point of view, I believe LOMC cartridges are better because of their lower inductance coils. In fact, over the years I've discovered that the best sounding cartridges always had the lowest induction coils, even among LOMC cartridges. These were the ultra low-output moving coil cartridges like the original Ortofon MC-2000 with a rated output of only 50-microvolts. Currently, I use an Audio Technica AT-ART7 with rated output of 0.12-mV and a Denon DL-S1 with rated output of 0.15-mV. Good luck, John Elison |
RE: And let's not forget the phonostage, posted on January 10, 2017 at 22:00:32 | |
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RE: And let's not forget the phonostage, posted on January 7, 2017 at 07:37:06 | |
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In my opinion, the ultra expensive high-end is all about ego and status. It has nothing to do with sound quality. You say you've listened to a $150k+ analog front end. Well, so have I! I've listened to several in that price range and I even made hi-res digital recordings of a Rockport Sirius III with van den Hul Colibri cartridge and darTZeel phono preamp. I still have those recordings and I don't think they necessarily sound any better than my own $20,000 analog front-end. Therefore, in my opinion, it all depends on what we want to believe we hear and how much value we place on the differences we want to believe we hear. As for me, there is no turntable, cartridge and phono stage worth more than $20,000 based on sound quality alone. But, that's just my opinion based on comparing my own equipment to other much more expensive playback systems. That's not to say I haven't heard a vinyl front-end that sounds better to me than my own. I have, but it didn't cost more than $20,000. I've been making hi-res digital recordings of vinyl since I bought my first DAT recorder in 1991 and I fully understand and appreciate how accurate hi-res digital can be in capturing the sound of vinyl. Therefore, I have no doubt that Michael Fremer's needle drops in his comparison test of nine cartridges are accurate and representative of the actual sound quality of those cartridges including his own ultra expensive vinyl front-end. Of course, your opinion may differ from mine, but it's not because I don't have direct experience with other ultra expensive vinyl front-ends. To each his own! YMMV, etc, etc. Thanks, John Elison |
RE: Another parameter,..., posted on December 29, 2016 at 13:07:54 | |
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Is your AT-ART7 also high-compliance? Mine has a resonance frequency in-between 6 and 7-Hz in my 10.5-gram SME V. It is specified to have compliance of 10-cu at 100-Hz, which would be medium compliance, but both of the ones I bought were high-compliance cartridges. On the other hand, the new AT-ART9 and the new AT-OC9/III are both specified as high-compliance cartridges with 18-cu at 100-Hz. The general rule-of-thumb is to double that for compliance at 10-Hz. Maybe I should buy a MM cartridge. What would you recommend? I was thinking that an Audio Technica AT150MLX might be a good one. It is specified as medium-compliance with a rated output of 4.0-mV. What do you think? Is there a better one you would recommend? Thanks, John Elison |
RE: Another parameter,..., posted on December 29, 2016 at 21:16:48 | |
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Thanks, Anthony! I wouldn't mind trying the Audio Technica VM760SLC. It appears to have an aluminum cantilever but I can't read Japanese. I wonder where I can buy one? Best regards, John Elison |
RE: Another parameter,..., posted on December 29, 2016 at 15:38:28 | |
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Ooops sorry I replied to myself.... Regards Anthony "Beauty is Truth, Truth Beauty.." Keats |
Sage advice! (nt), posted on December 29, 2016 at 10:12:49 | |
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nt |