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Posted on August 11, 2012 at 15:51:07
Jack D II
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Not long ago there was a series of pictures taken by ward members of their cartridges/needles. What cameras were you using? I want one! In the market and the ability to take good close ups (along with good low light capability) are my two main criteria. $300-400.00. Thanks.

 

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or you can use your iPhone with a drop of water :)


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Canon G12, posted on August 11, 2012 at 17:14:16
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Hello-

I would check out the Canon G12. It's at the upper end of your budget, but it is a solid metal bodied camera, with great ergonomics and menus. I have the predecessor, the G10 and it takes fantastic photos.

Dan

 

RE: Closeups of cartridges and needles, posted on August 11, 2012 at 19:06:07
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What you need is a good macro lens. $300-400 would almost buy you a decent one. Then all you would need is a DSLR camera body to go with it. ;)

 

Nikon Coolpix S6100, posted on August 11, 2012 at 19:11:10
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I got mine at Costco for $159. I was convinced by someone's excellent picture of a stylus closeup... I haven't used mine for a closeup yet, but have a decent picture of my system.

 

I use a Nikon D90, posted on August 11, 2012 at 20:09:01
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xxxxx

 

RE: Closeups of cartridges and needles, posted on August 11, 2012 at 20:26:32
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60 bucks of on sale casio that constantly gets dropped but manages decent pics

 

I'm lucky, posted on August 11, 2012 at 20:27:49
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I have a RAM Optics at work to play with. My Shinon Red Boron.

 

RE: Closeups of cartridges and needles, posted on August 11, 2012 at 21:25:06
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Nikon D80, Sigma 150/2.8 with 1.4x TC.

 

That looks like some sort of insect...N/T, posted on August 11, 2012 at 22:11:12
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RE: Closeups of cartridges and needles, posted on August 11, 2012 at 22:22:32
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Very nice photo!!!

Dan

 

RE: Here is one, posted on August 12, 2012 at 00:03:26
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That looks like a flamingo emerging from an underground crypt.

 

RE: Closeups of cartridges and needles, posted on August 12, 2012 at 00:39:24
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You must know cameras. I'm in need of new one and I've been considering a Nikon D3100 because it looks like a pretty good deal for an amateur like me. Presently I have an old Fujifilm FinePix 4900Z, but it doesn't seem to take very good pictures anymore. Do you think I could get a picture like yours with a D3100?

Thanks,
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RE: Nikon Coolpix S6100, posted on August 12, 2012 at 01:48:29
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Is that a Ferjo hanging on the wall?

 

RE: Nikon Coolpix S6100, posted on August 12, 2012 at 05:35:22
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I don't know, but doubt it. In 1999 or so we were having a photo framed
and browsed through some prints, finding this. I don't see any name or initials on it, and looking at prints by Ferjo I did not see this one.

 

How close?, posted on August 12, 2012 at 05:55:12
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Hi, Jack,
Are you wanting the extreme closeups that show details of the stylus tip? Or are you looking for a point-and-shoot digital camera to take closeups of your cartridge?

If its a P&S camera you're looking for there are a number of good choices in that price range. The camera you want will depend on more than just macro capabilities; many modern cameras can take a decent closeup. For a good reference web site with lots of information and reviews of camera models you might visit Digital Photography Review. I did a quick camera search with a few of the features I consider most important; the link is shown below.

The two images shown above were taken with the two cameras I use. The first (intended more for artistic effect than detail) was taken with a now vintage Nikon Coolpix 995, which was the macro king of its day. The 995 is an amazing camera but with only 3.1 MP of image resolution I only use it for certain situations. The lower picture was taken just now with my Nikon Coolpix S8100, which has mixed reviews. I find that many of the problems people have encountered with the S8100 can be solved by turning off most of the "auto" features and disabling digital zoom.

As with most things, everyone has a different idea of what's important in a camera. But if you find a dozen or so that seem to have what you're after and are in your price range you can narrow them down by reading reviews. In the end it's hard to go too wrong with any of the cameras that float to the top of the pool.

Have fun!
Tom

 

RE: Closeups of cartridges and needles, posted on August 12, 2012 at 07:21:42
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The short answer to your question is yes, the Nikon D3100 can take photos like the one I posted but not by itself. You'll also need a macro lens. That gets you into a specialized branch of photography, and will require a bit more investment.

A decent macro lens will cost you at least as much (and in most cases more) than the D3100 itself. Then you will also need a good quality tripod. And I'm not talking about a WallyWorld special. Decent tripods start around half the cost of the D3100 and go to sky's-the-limit. Both my macro lens (Sigma 150mm) and tripod (Gitzo GT2540 and RRS BH-40) each cost more than my D80 did new. But then I do many different types of photography.

IMHO folks jump into DSLRs for the wrong reasons. Most think by buying a "kit" lens (and always shooting in "auto") they will get better images than a point-and-shoot. They don't realize that the glass (and technique) are more important than the camera body. The truth is that many point-and-shoots on the market today can easily match an entry-level DSLR with a "kit" lens for more than half the cost.

(And don't get caught up in the "megapixels" game. More pixels does NOT equal better images. That's a marketing game.)

I'm not saying all this to discourage you, but you need to know what you're getting into. For the investment you are looking at you would probably want more justification than simply taking close-ups of your stylus. If extreme close-ups aren't important then I completely agree with Tom Ketcham's post in this thread. Spend some time on the site he mentioned (Digital Photography Review) and research the point-and-shoot and/or DSLR-like cameras.

But, of course, if extreme close-ups are your goal then by all means go for it! Macro photography can be lots of fun.

 

RE: Closeups of cartridges and needles, posted on August 12, 2012 at 07:23:59
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Another shot with the set-up I mentioned above.

 

Some helpful info, I hope, posted on August 12, 2012 at 08:19:15
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these 4 sites should give you a good idea which way to go with a macro lens. I personally use a 105MM F~2.8 Nikon lens which is sharp as a tack. You would really enjoy a D3100, however the D7000 is what I use (two of them in fact) The bottom two links compare the 2 cameras.
I chose the D7000 because I shoot in the shade alot as well as in low light situations and the 7000 has much better noise reduction at higher ISOs. Both cameras have excellent menu systems and what I like is the "?" button that explains any particular menu item that you may want to use or learn about.
The D7000 is also substantially heavier in feel and has better sealing against dust and moisture. Happy snapping!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macro_photography

http://www.adorama.com/alc/article/13038

http://bythom.com/qadmacro.htm

http://www.cambridgeincolour.com/tutorials/macro-lenses.htm

D3100 Vs D7000
http://snapsort.com/compare/Nikon_D3100-vs-Nikon_D7000

http://www.digitalphotographywriter.com/2010/10/nikon-d3100-vs-nikon-d7000-which-camera.html

 

RE: I'm lucky, posted on August 12, 2012 at 08:33:55
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Will the RAM Optics let you get close enough to check for stylus wear?

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well it is pink , posted on August 12, 2012 at 08:43:38
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as all rubies should be...a bit blurry, but the drop can make a pretty convincing microscope out of a phone camera.


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RE: I'm lucky, posted on August 12, 2012 at 09:35:37
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I'm going to play with that next, because the built in lighting is fixed in position. But the magnification and clarity is there.

Ortofon SL20q

 

RE: Some helpful info, I hope, posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:26:03
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Thanks for the info. I'll have to study it.

It's obvious the D7000 is better than the D3100, but it is way more than twice the price when you add a lens. I'm looking for a general purpose, reasonably high quality camera for around $500 to replace my aging Fujifilm FinePix 4900Z. Do you think the D3100 is the best choice or is there something else out there at a similar price?

Thanks again,
John Elison

 

RE: Closeups of cartridges and needles, posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:40:39
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I think I'm just looking for a general purpose digital camera to replace my old Fujifilm FinePix 4900Z. I don't want to spend a whole lot of money, but $500 didn't sound bad to me. If you have any recommendations, I'd appreciate it.

Thanks for all the info.

John Elison

 

So how much outlay needed for the photo you've posted?, posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:45:24
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Just curious how much one needs to spend to get to that amount of magnification.

Thanks.

 

Been a Nikon guy since the last ice age, posted on August 12, 2012 at 10:48:54
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for 600 or 700 dollars for the D3100, you cannot do better I would say. Nikon offers 10 macro lenses!! Here is a link to their info on that.
Why did I choose the 105 you may ask....well, they did not have nearly as many when I chose it. It is equal to a 152MM on a 35 MM camera so it serves as a mild telephoto as well as a macro.
My second choice would be a 60MM which in turn translates to a 90MM and would be an excellent portrait lens.
These lens are not inexpensive, but the quality of glass is the best.
For a less costly alternative I like Sigma lenses too. here is a link to theirs.
http://www.sigmaphoto.com/shop/macro-lenses
I use a powerful Sigma 150-500MM (equal to 225-750MM on a 35mm body) and using it on a tripod gives super results...This pic of the duck was the very first pic I shot using that lens, handheld from about 30 feet away...the exposure was wrong (can't see the eye) but I was learning the lens.

 

Jeez, that looks like some sort of insect too! That's a FANTASTIC and beautiful shot!...N/T, posted on August 12, 2012 at 11:06:24
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Olympus ToughStylus - Supermacro, posted on August 12, 2012 at 11:16:19
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RE: Closeups of cartridges and needles, posted on August 12, 2012 at 11:51:05
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For $500 there are a TON of great choices on the market. Canon Powershots, Fuji Finepix, Panasonic Lumix, and Sony Cyber-Shots are all great places to start your research. I'm a Nikon DSLR guy but I honestly can't say I'd recommend their Coolpix series over some of the other brands. Their track record has not been quite as good over the years.

Coming from a Fuji you might want to look at their X10 compact. It's under your budget and gets very good reviews. It currently ranks #2 on DPR's popular compacts list.

Again, spend some time on the DPR website. It's a great resource.

http://www.dpreview.com/

 

- - Canon G12 and Fuji X10 - -, posted on August 12, 2012 at 12:35:48
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I have the Canon G12. It's my 'go to' camera for travel. Red eye is sometimes an issue because the flash is too low to the lens. Otherwise a very versatile camera.

I also have the Fuji X10 which is my preferred camera for low light and macro work indoors. The lens is faster than the G12 and the Fuji X10 has two macro modes, close and really close. ;-)

The Fuji X10 is not the best travel for a few reasons. 1) The lens cap is an old school cap that you have to remove and stuff in your pocket when you want to shoot. 2) There is no standard filter that will fit to protect the lens so it's usually exposed. 3) The lens protrudes out a fair amount so its not so easy stuffing the camera in your pocket. 4) If you want a filter over the lens, to protect it, you have buy an adapter which causes the whole lens / filter assembly to protrude out even more.

But it takes awesome photos, especially in ambient low light. The flash pops up and I rarely get 'red eye'. The macro mode is excellent.

Fuji X10, about $550





 

RE: So how much outlay needed for the photo you've posted?, posted on August 12, 2012 at 13:22:16
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That depends on a lot of factors.

Macro lenses run anywhere from $300ish to $1,200+. The main factor is "reach" (i.e. how far away from the subject do you need/want to be?). A 60mm macro is great for coin photography but you'll want to pair it with a good set of running shoes to shoot that hornet's nest on the back porch. Most bugs and critters get real nervous if you get that close. 100mm+ is much better suited for most critters. As you would expect, the longer the reach the more the cost. My Sigma 150mm runs around $1k.

For general use there are several good choices. Tamron makes a very nice 90mm macro for around $500. Nikon's 105mm is a great lens. It runs around $900ish. I'm not too familiar with the Canon world so I'll let others speak to that.

(A cheap option to macro lenses are extension tubes. These run around $30 and simply fit between the camera body and the lens and increase the lenses inherent magnification. Don't expect the same level of image quality (or extreme mag) but they can be fun to play with.)

And, of course, you'll need the DSLR camera body. That's an entire subject unto itself but even the entry-level models are fine for macro when paired with the right lens. The entry-level DSLR price point is around $500.

And as I mentioned above a good quality tripod is critical for macro photography (actually for any type of photography). When working at such small scales even the least amount of vibration or movement is accentuated. When possible I even use a remote shutter release in order to reduce the vibration of my finger pressing the button. Decent quality consumer-level tripods generally start around the $200 price point. Carbon fiber legs (popular due to their exceptional stability and light weight) will start even higher. My Gitzo GT2540 ran around $600 new back in 2008. For a ballhead I chose the Really Right Stuff BH-40 (another $400).

Tripods are usually the biggest source of sticker shock to new photographers but they are one of the most important purchases you can make. Most folks play the "tripod ladder game" by starting with the cheapest available. When those prove unsatisfactory they go to the next step up, and so on. Take my advice and save yourself some money by starting with good quality legs to begin with.

 

RE: - - Canon G12 and Fuji X10 - -, posted on August 12, 2012 at 13:28:47
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Abe - Many thanks. Low light capability was one of my two requirements. I dont care about weight, size, blah, blah because I'm a (very)casual shooter. I'll see if I can get a lower price.

 

Thanks..., posted on August 12, 2012 at 14:24:44
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So I guess from the Nikon S8100 ( 100$ ) to the level of maginifacation you have there is still a lot of $$.

I've never owned anything fancy for camera but was curious if the price of better macro came down in price for a 'novice grade' macro shot.

At one point I was tri pod shopping to replace my beat up one but I got too confused looking at the website and that the local camera store don't carry anything any more ( plus they know nothing ), so ended up not buying anything.

 

RE: Closeups of cartridges and needles, posted on August 12, 2012 at 14:25:05
Jraga


 

Above is an photo example of my Soundsmith retip that was taken by a Supereyes USB scope then magnified by a software editor.

After much searching on the net, I found a recommendation for a good scope that was reasonably priced ($65 to $95). The suggestion came from Mike at Continuum Audio labs (Caliburn Turntable fame). He suggested a Supereyes B008 usb scope at 500x that comes with photo + measuring software. The latter is important as you want to make measurement of SRA to ensure you are in the ballpark. They use MB Ruler which is free on the net.

This scope is about the size of a Mount Blanc pen so it is easy to get up close to the stylus, unlike the Dino's which are quite large and bulkier. Put a clear disc of glass on your turntable platter and rest the stylus on it. Then illuminate the area with pen lights and leds. It is really hard to get the illumination right but you will learn a few tricks. Get a separate stand to manipulate the scope angle.

The link at the bottom shows the original photo that was magnified above.

 

RE: Closeups of cartridges and needles, posted on August 12, 2012 at 14:38:02
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I was thinking that the larger the sensor size, the better. The Fuji X10 has a miniscule 8.8 x 6.6-mm sensor for 12-megapixels whereas the Nikon D3100 has a 23.1 x 15.4-mm sensor for 14-megapixels. The Nikon D3100 retails for $499 because the new D3200 is out. The new D3200 retails for $699, but it has the same size sensor with nearly twice the pixels. Since the sensor is not larger I thought the D3100 might actually take better pictures and it costs less, too. Anyway, I'll look around.

I had a Nikon F3 before buying my first digital camera, the Fujifilm FinePix 4900Z. I wouldn't mind going back to Nikon.

Best regards,
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The prices at the Nikon site are 699 and 649, posted on August 12, 2012 at 14:59:09
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for the D3200 Vs D3100...for 50 clams more it is a no brainer...go for the newest tech...

 

RE: The prices at the Nikon site are 699 and 649, posted on August 12, 2012 at 15:37:20
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The D3100 costs $499.95 and the D3200 costs $699.95.

 

RE: Canon 640A, posted on August 12, 2012 at 16:17:25
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Check that, upon further review, Canon A630 Powershot. Around $350 for the latest model.

 

RE: A lot has changed in 40 years!, posted on August 12, 2012 at 16:31:29
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I can't run as fast from the bugs, for one thing.

My Olympus OM-1, Olympus Macro/Zoom combo lens and whatever Pro tripod I had was about an $800 outlay back then. A wide angle lens, slave aux flash and bounce unit and a good bag made a little over $1,000 for the whole deal.

I'm happier with my Canon Powershot A630 except for the shitty internal flash and no good way to add one. Great color, great focus and no cost for developing.



 

Ah so!!, posted on August 12, 2012 at 17:04:59
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well then, that is the better deal I'd say....here is what I saw

 

Fuji X-Pro 1, posted on August 12, 2012 at 17:15:38
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A couple of months ago I bit the bullet and bought the Fuji X-Pro 1. It is an incredible camera. Slightly bigger than a point an shoot, but the image quality is incredible- APS-C size sensor, with no anti-aliasing filter. Tons of features. It is quite a camera.

 

RE: I'm lucky, posted on August 12, 2012 at 17:41:30
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I look forward to seeing the pics.

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RE: it's not just the camera or the lens or the tripod or the...., posted on August 12, 2012 at 20:58:25
......lighting. It's all of that plus your time and determination to learn how to use that gear to get clean shots. It's a bit of work, actually. But it is fun when you have success.




My stuff is getting a bit old, but still works just fine. Here's a list:
Camera body: Nikon D70S (not young but still pretty good)
macro lens: Nikon Nikkor AF Micro 60mm F 1:2.8 D
Tripod: Manfrotto 3401B with quick release head
Focus Rail: Manfrotto 3419
Lighting: Lowel Tota 850 Watt on a Manfrotto stand with umbrella diffuser
lighting continued: Window light when it is useful plus various pieces of white foam board to bounce light or shield from light as needed.

Don't forget the software: I use Photoshop Elements 10.0

This is all budget stuff but good enough to get the above shot.

As noted below, it is more important to have good glass than it is to have the latest and greatest body. Plus "more megapixels" don't necessarily mean better quality. Just larger file sizes. What really counts is the quality of the megapixels on that sensor. Not just the quantity.

It goes on and one. Plus keep in mind that if photography seems to be pulling at you, there will be a community college near you that offers basic courses on the subject to get you started on the right footing.

-Steve




 

RE: it's not just the camera or the lens or the tripod or the...., posted on August 13, 2012 at 05:53:48
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Great image and sage advice.

 

RE: - - Canon G12 and Fuji X10 - -, posted on August 13, 2012 at 08:59:59
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Hi -- Abe, do you know about Lensmate's filter adapters and other nifty accessories?

They have a few for the Fuji X10 that might be useful to you. I bought their adapter tubes for the Canon G12 which I am very happy with -- allowing me to use various filters and teleconverters with it.

cheers, Stephanie

 

RE: Ah so!!, posted on August 13, 2012 at 16:52:05
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So, if I am willing to spend no more than $500 on a brand new digital camera, is the D3100 my best choice or should I consider something else? There is a camera shop a couple of miles from my house and they have Nikon and Cannon cameras among others I presume. I think I'll go there tomorrow. They are selling the D3100 for $499.95.

Thanks,
John Elison

 

RE: Ah so!!, posted on August 13, 2012 at 19:40:35
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My honest opinion is you would be better served by a non-DLSR or DSLR-like camera. DLSR's are best only if your shooting needs require different lenses. Those will quickly blow your budget right out of the water.

Take a hard look at some of the other cameras mentioned in this thread.

 

RE: Ah so!!, posted on August 13, 2012 at 20:52:27
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Why don't you recommend two that you feel are better than the D3100 for $500 or less. I'll read about them and make a decision. I don't have the time or desire to do extensive research. I just want to buy a camera tomorrow that costs $500 or less and I've always liked Nikon.

Thanks,
John Elison

 

As you bbegin to explore the possibilies, posted on August 14, 2012 at 10:19:12
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having the option to purchase other lenses opens a whole new experience and furthers the horizons of what you can do...D3100 is an excellent starting point and check if the dealer has any used Nikon lenses, you may find bargains that way.

 

RE: As you bbegin to explore the possibilies, posted on August 14, 2012 at 12:27:52
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Agreed. My only concern (and the reason I recommended against a DLSR) is that he said his budget is "no more than $500". And as you stated, the D3100 is an excellent "starting point".

John, my only advice would be to visit your local camera store and get your hands on various models. Ergonomics is an important factor and everyone's tastes are different. You may find that a Canon DSLR "feels better" to you than a Nikon. Or, you may decide that a DSLR is too heavy to lug around and go for a smaller DLSR-like model. Only you can decide what is best for you.

 

There are a couple tutorial sites..., posted on August 25, 2012 at 19:17:01
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And the link below is to a site that I found helpful. I like taking pictures but am not very good at it naturally. I can use all the help I can get and the link below is pretty handy for taking extreme closeups.

Ed

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