Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on February 12, 2012 at 12:51:41
ChrisVH Manufacturer Posts: 1246 Location: Wisconsin Joined: September 24, 1999	Heard the Cirrus in the Empirical Audio room at RMAF, and thought they held their own vs the YG's, and then some. They were also gorgeous looking. "There are two kinds of fools: one says, This is old, therefore it is good; the other says, This is new, therefore it is better." - William Ralph Inge

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on February 13, 2012 at 12:36:29
rebbi Audiophile Posts: 288 Location: Austin, TX Joined: September 4, 2008	Thanks. Anyone heard the Breeze?

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on April 5, 2012 at 22:06:18
miyy4u Audiophile Posts: 12 Location: California Joined: December 3, 2006	That actually means something coming from Chris.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on April 29, 2012 at 17:40:20

Nocturne79

Hey there, I am new here but I was reading this thread and I have posted a small review on Audio Circle about the Vapor Breeze speakers. I have had a pair since august of 2011 or so and love them. I use m901 amp--with AVA vision dac playing lossless files. The sound is really great. The bass is tight and controlled, the mids are to me very good and the treble is never harsh sounding. These speakers in my mind do things right. Also I should say that my apartment has no treatments and these are my first hi fi speakers.

Have a good one bud

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on June 30, 2012 at 09:16:25

d_sonic1@yahoo.com
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Hello

I am Dennis Deacon of D-Sonic Custom Audio.

I am trying to retrieve one of my M2-1000S amplifiers from Ryan Scott of Vapor Audio. He was going to review it and publish the results. He has had it for eight months now. There is no review and no amplifier. My last contact with him was three months ago when he told me the unit was packed up and ready to take to UPS that day. He has not responded to emails and telephone messages.
Can anyone help me find and return my amplifier?

Regards,

Dennis
800-862-7998
www.d-sonic.net
Regards,

Dennis

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on July 26, 2012 at 18:11:03
miyy4u Audiophile Posts: 12 Location: California Joined: December 3, 2006	From what I have read lately people need to do their homework regarding this company before purchasing. An Audiogon thread was closed due to all the complaints.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on July 30, 2012 at 05:23:12
villastrangiato	He's a meteorologist from Missouri that became an "expert" loudspeaker builder with a DIY website education... What more do you need to know? The bit about the amplifier he "borrowed" that seems to have "vaporized" is truly amusing though...

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 4, 2012 at 23:56:05

miyy4u
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Vapor Audio is a DIY guy that came from parts express. The speakers look damn good and are well thought out. Customer service problems seem to be plaguing this new company as some customers have waited close to a year for a pair of monitors. It appears they require a 50% deposit before they start a build as well. WTF? This doesn't make sense. Read between the lines on this one. There is a guy on Audiogon now that is ripping the company for some kind of damage to his speakers and wants his money back. Definetely some serious drama surrounding them now.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 15, 2012 at 22:59:21

Pete Schumacher
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Hello all,

I'm working with Ryan at Vapor sound, designing and building systems on a daily basis.

To villastrangiato and your comment regarding the D-sonic amp, Dennis got it back a while ago. You really ought to realize that there's always two sides to a story.

Designing a speaker system is something anyone can learn to do since there's a wealth of knowledge out there from which to glean excellent information. Linkwitz posted for years on DIY forums, especially Madisound, where I and others frequently visited for the information and ideas shared among those with a passion for the art of speaker building. Your dismissal of someone who took the time to educate themselves by learning from those with a proven track record, simply because they have a degree outside what might be considered related to audio, simply shows a degree of contempt that is unwarranted.

Jim Salk, a respected builder of speaker systems has no formal background, other than being able to craft fine cabinetry. I know personally some of those who have helped Jim come up with the crossover work that is the heart and soul of a fine speaker system. I was there when he introduced his very first model at a DIY exhibit in Iowa in 2003. In fact, he's frequently displayed his new models in front of the DIY crowd at events promoted through the Parts Express Tech Talk web site, including his Archos and Soundscape at events in Indiana.

Ryan at Vapor has a passion for audio, and has been educating himself for years on how to create a masterwork. The design of Cirrus is the culmination of years researching woofers, tweeters, crossover components, and cabinet construction via finite element analysis, an ENGINEERING discipline.

I've been a DIY builder for almost 3 decades, but have been serious about it for only the past 10. My passion for audio caused me to major in Electrical Engineering in which I have acquired a bachelor of science back in 1980 from the University of Missouri, Rolla. My specialty was linear circuits and control systems. That allowed me to design amplifiers for audio and servo control, as well as filter design and power supplies.

But my first love was always speakers, and I've built a fair number of them, my personal build a couple years being my own venture into the upper echelon of speaker systems. Ryan was instrumental in helping me to eek out the last bit of performance possible. I've included a shot of the system in question as it was being readied for final finish. I wouldn't hesitate to put it up against anything out there under $10K.

Ryan has dozens of satisfied customers, all over the world. Just recently, New Zealand, Cypress and Russia have taken delivery of their first sets of Vapor systems, and there are many more in the queue. Have their been problems? Of course. Ryan was a one man company until recently, handling all the aspects of design, fabrication, finish, email, phone calls, vendors, shipping, and he has a family too. Since the day he launched the web site, he's not stopped building. I feel honored to now be intimately associated in not only the construction, but the design of the new systems coming on line.

To the OP, if you can make it to RMAF in October, you can hear for yourself what a Vapor Audio speaker system can do.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 16, 2012 at 06:58:10

villastrangiato

Schumacher,

You might have carte blanche over at the Parts Express website to spew technically incorrect non sense, self promotion, and abrasive blather but there are specific rules that go along with using this website - to wit:

"A member of the trade may not volunteer any information about a specific product that he is selling or making, in response to a general request for information about a type of product or in any other discussion.

A trade member may not post announcements, advertisements, sales information or the like about a product he makes or sells."

You just violated both of the above. As for my comments concerning Vapor Audio, there are no "two sides" to what I posted. The sole proprietorship that is Vapor Audio consists of Ryan Scott who has no formal education or background in engineering. Given some of the rambling non sense you've put forth over on Parts Express, your formal education appears to be somewhat lacking as well:

http://techtalk.parts-express.com/showthread.php?225045-Impact-of-Helmholtz-Tuning-Ratio-on-Response

For Dennis to take the rather unusual step of posting on several forums messages begging Ryan to contact him over the return of a loaned amp speaks volumes by itself. I simply stated that that situation was amusing. Knowing a fair amount about you and your association with Ryan - that situation made perfect sense and came as no surprise.

Anyone can make pretty boxes and stuff them with expensive drivers. I've been to most of the North American shows and have heard just about everything that is available on the market. A lot of pretty boxes with expensive drivers that sound no better than a garden variety PSB, Paradigm, or B&W speaker. Beyond the pretty boxes and expensive components, I found nothing extraordinary in listening to Ryan's speakers - certainly nothing consistent with the hype you've given them in your second post (pure unpaid advertising blather) on this website.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 16, 2012 at 07:25:43

Pete Schumacher
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Villa,

I responded to your character assassination of the designer of the two systems the original post asked about. You continue to assault his qualifications, having absolutely no knowledge of the capabilities of Ryan and his ability to learn something new after leaving the halls of higher education. Is it your assertion that only someone who has a degree in speaker design can design a speaker? Do you also say the same things about Jim Salk of Salk Sound, Jed Kunz of Clearwave Audio, Rick Craig of Selah Audio? Engineering degrees or background have very little to do with whether someone can learn a new discipline when they apply themselves for over 6 years in that discipline.

Your citing the post at PE about helmholtz tuning is mystifying. I'll leave it to the readers to decide who and who does not have an understanding of the process.

What you hear, and what others hear when they listen, are two completely different issues. Your opinion is no more valid than others, and certainly doesn't seem to match what actual owners relate.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 16, 2012 at 07:58:18

villastrangiato

Schumacher said: "Your citing the post at PE about helmholtz tuning is mystifying. I'll leave it to the readers to decide who and who does not have an understanding of the process."

For anyone with 20/20 vision, the maximum SPL curve in the link above showed the purple (standard bass reflex tuning) having a deeper bass extension (F3) than the green curve (so called "assisted bass reflex tuning"). Evidently, Mr. Schumacher either doesn't have 20/20 vision or he has a significant reading comprehension deficit.

For those who aren't technically inclined, most bass reflex tuning designs place the tuning frequency of the box at or very near the woofer's resonant frequency to counteract the woofers uncontrolled motion at that frequency and maximize acoustic output. What Schumacher was trying to support as a design theory is neither optimal nor commonplace in the industry as evidenced by most of the test measurements one can readily find on speakers reviewed by John Atkinson of Stereophile. The standard BR tuning produces lower woofer excursion for the same output, deeper bass extension, and consumes less amplifier power in the process over the useful operating frequency range of the driver. This particular example is what distinguishes DIY wannabees from actual loudspeaker engineers who possess adequate training and experience.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 16, 2012 at 11:11:18

Pete Schumacher
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Sooo, how about telling us who you are since I've concealed nothing. What is your formal "actual loudspeaker engineer" education, what do you manufacture. And since this thread is titled "Have any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze", when is it that you say you heard Vapor Audio speakers?

And since you claim to be an expert, show me the data/white paper/study/etc that quantifies reflex tuning MUST be at or near the woofers resonance? Or is your 'science' only that most people do it that way?

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 16, 2012 at 21:08:49
Spkr_Bldr Manufacturer Posts: 15 Location: St Louis Joined: July 18, 2008	I'd like to know the answer to those questions as well.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 16, 2012 at 21:24:23

villastrangiato

Unlike some folks, I'm not here to entertain pissing matches or promote a product line without paying for the advertising. I participate in various threads to help correct common myths, to share what I know, and to learn from the experiences of others across a wide spectrum of humanity engaged in audio related topics. The pecking order hen house crap might fly well over at Parts Express but I suspect it's a more level playing field here. I found the "can somebody help me get my amplifier?" schtick plastered across several internet forums quite amusing - am I allowed to feel that way or as with the Parts Express forum, if the control freaks don't like what is being said or thought, they ban the "offenders"?

As for me personally, I work in a small company that does custom home theater installations in the greater Boston area. I provide technical assistance with design and testing of in wall and free standing setups. I'm not here to sell anything like others. Just share what I know, learn from others, and occasionally straighten out some of the BS that gets laid on really thick in forums like this on a daily basis. And why would you be here Mr. Weatherman turned speaker guru?

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 16, 2012 at 21:49:54

Spkr_Bldr
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Anybody can search username fntn over on Parts Express and see for themselves why you got banned. Clearly the same attitude of contempt continues here. Whether your 'information' is right or wrong is irrelevant if you present it as a pompus jerk.

One of my golf buddies does Home Theater installs. He's in his early 20's and has no degree whatsoever ... are we supposed to be impressed?

I'm still wondering where you received your "actual loudspeaker engineer" formal education? I'd say my Masters Degree in Atmospheric Science qualifies me as much as anybody else in the industry to design speakers. Finite Mathmatics, Differential Equations, 15 hours of Physics, and degree related Fluid Dynamics are as related as any education that exists. Maybe you can show me a design you arrived upon as a result of Finite Element Analysis to demonstrate your Engineering chops ... no?

What's funny is that this is all about Pete challenging you long ago on the PE forum and your delicate feelings being hurt. So now Pete works with me, which means I'm now target of your ire as well. Whatever dude, you don't know me, never met me, never spoke with me, know nothing about me. So grow up and learn how to communicate like an adult instead of a spoiled child. Since you say you attend all the trade shows, how about coming out from behind the keyboard and introduce yourself at RMAF room 577 or 593.

Oh, and you also didn't answer where you supposedly heard my speakers? Or is that just a lie you didn't expect to be challenged?

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 17, 2012 at 05:36:39

villastrangiato

Weatherman said:

"What's funny is that this is all about Pete challenging you long ago on the PE forum and your delicate feelings being hurt. So now Pete works with me, which means I'm now target of your ire as well."

Pete made an a$$ out of himself. He continues to do so in this public forum as do you with ridiculous blanket statements about the components you stuff in speaker boxes that are allegedly superior to all others - the ones you find "boring".

The fiasco with Dennis from D-Sonic about the amplifier you borrowed is just more evidence of who you are and what you're about. I'll leave it up to the average reader of this site to determine which is funnier - your almost permanently borrowed amplifier exploits or Peter Schumacher's failure to understand the graphs that he, himself was posting...

ROFLMAO...

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 17, 2012 at 07:09:45

Pete Schumacher
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What's really funny is that you continue with your straw man nonsense. Talk about LMFAO.

The thread in question back at PE was about someone suggesting that using a Linkwitz Transform on a vented enclosure that had size similar to the typical sealed box usually used for such EQ assist, had benefits over that sealed enclosure. You then decided to post helmholtz tuning 101 that any DIY wannabe learns early on in their foray into DIY enclosures, as though it was some sort of revelation.

I posted modeling results that showed the superiority of using low-tuned vented enclosures with boost over sealed versions that showed the vented version offering superior cone control and similar low end extension. You then chimed in that a typical vented enclosure of much larger size without EQ was superior, completely ignoring the original intent of the discussion which was whether there was an advantage of applying LT to a vented enclosure offered benefits over doing that to a sealed enclosure. You then set up another silly straw man claiming that others were trying to boost output below tuning, which was never suggested other than by you.

LMAO indeed.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 18, 2012 at 00:37:16

miyy4u
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Vapor Audio equals drama. Where are all of these so called satisfied customers? I remember the customers that had damaged speakers and others that were slamming Vapor Audio for missed deadlines on delivering their speakers. A vicious Audiogon thread was put to bed do to unhappy customers getting out of hand. If there were happy customers in that Audiogon thread they were few and far between. Maybe those customers who were waiting close to a year for a pair of speakers are happy now but during the long wait they were venting on that thread.
If a pair of Vapor Audio Cirrus monitors takes close to a year for delivery how on earth can they possibly have dozens of happy customers? From what I can tell in other forums the Vapor Audio Cirrus started shipping mid 2010. With the delays that I recall it is very hard to believe dozens of Cirrus owners exist.
They do have that smaller Breeze monitor which looks like a quick build and I think that Audiogon thread was regarding the Vapor Audio Cirrus so myabe they have more happy customers owning the smaller monitor and less happy customers have the Cirrus? Either way, I haven't seen too many positive posts surrounding them. Usually not a safe bet.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 18, 2012 at 03:24:13

ejk
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Wow... all this bashing. If all the drama is out there then people now can make up their own mind before ordering. I have only read positive reviews after the owners receive their speakers. Bigger companies have issues also. I had ordered speakers from a very well known custom builder (one that was mentioned in this thread) and was told I had to wait an additional 6 weeks because he ran out of tweeters or I can pay an additional 100.00 for a different cosmetic version he had to get them on time.

By the way, was the OP's question answered yet ?

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 19, 2012 at 01:16:05
miyy4u Audiophile Posts: 12 Location: California Joined: December 3, 2006	6 weeks for a longer wait isn't too bad but the Vapor group have guys waiting 5 or more months longer. They were getting slammed with complaints. One guy finally got his speakers and they came in damaged and it didn't sound like it was due to shipping but the reviews are favorable when talking sound only.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 19, 2012 at 20:39:16
rebbi Audiophile Posts: 288 Location: Austin, TX Joined: September 4, 2008	As the original poster, I can authoritatively state, "No, my original question has not been answered."

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 20, 2012 at 03:30:26

villastrangiato

As the person in this thread who has heard the above named speakers (I believe it was at RMAF), who said above:

" I found nothing extraordinary in listening to Ryan's speakers - certainly nothing consistent with the hype you've given them in your second post (pure unpaid advertising blather) on this website."

I can say the OP's original question has been answered. Granted, I'm not your average listener and most people don't travel nearly 2000 miles to listen to speakers - but it's not like no one has sought to answer your original question.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 20, 2012 at 08:07:46

Spkr_Bldr
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Rebbi, please ignore villastrangiato (or fntn as he was known on the parts express board before he got banned). He has NOT heard my speakers. I suspected he was lying, but now I know for sure. At RMAF I didn't have a room, just a single after hours demo done by invite. He certainly was not invited. Obviously he has a chip on his shoulder and doesn't mind flat out lying if that's what it takes to damage my reputation.

There are plenty of people who heard them here:
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=99651.20
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=78629.msg1011206#msg1011206

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 20, 2012 at 08:37:12
rebbi Audiophile Posts: 288 Location: Austin, TX Joined: September 4, 2008	Okay, then, Mr. Villastrangiato, let me rephrase my original question: "Has anyone who doesn’t obviously have an axe to grind heard the Cirrus or Breeze?" Rephrased thus, my original question remains unanswered.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 20, 2012 at 16:46:38

villastrangiato

You've been peddling your wares at RMAF for years now. Claiming it was by invitation only is a joke - particularly for someone like me who has actually booked and stayed in rooms at the hotel on the same floors speakers were demoed in. You clearly don't know me or what I look like but given all of the publicity you've attempted to gain for yourself :

http://www.stereomojo.com/RMAF%202008/RMAF2008.htm

I'm very familiar with both you and your speakers. They are generally a showcase for a particular style of cabinet making as they lack bass and have a limited vertical listening window. In all fairness, I didn't say they were crap speakers. They sound good overall but so do a lot of speakers from PSB, Paradigm, Revel, and B&W. I don't lie and I have no reason to lie particularly in this case. I could have said your speakers sounded lousy and didn't - so much for your "axe to grind". As a matter of fact, I feel the same way towards other speakers like YG and Magico. Dollar for dollar, where small monitors are concerned, I prefer the sound of Jeff Joseph's small monitors as they are typically better balanced with enough clean bass to not need a sub. And Joseph uses his proprietary steep crossover filters to particular advantage - minimizing vertical window problems for one. Given your jump to conclusions, it would appear that the one who truly has an axe to grind is you. Schumacher's infomercial makes him pretty transparent so there's no need to hazard a guess where he's coming from.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 20, 2012 at 16:55:36

villastrangiato

Your original question was also answered by ChrisVH on the first reply to your original post. You even acknowledged his reply and thanked him for it. From your complaint that you didn't get responses to your original post, it appears that you are nothing more than a shill for Ryan Scott. Given Scott's very small company status, the very limited number of products produced, and more importantly Scott's alleged "you can hear and see them by invitation only" policy (eyeroll), you're lucky you got back a response from anyone - let alone several or many.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 20, 2012 at 18:30:15

rebbi
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You know, there's this great story about Jane Goodall doing research on chimpanzees. apparently, she has spent months and months to the point that the colony of chimps will accept her. then, one day, she turns her back on them and feels something bounce painfully off the back of her head. It's a piece of dried monkey poop! She's furious! She loses it, picks up the piece of monkey poop, and hurls it back at the chimps in the tree. they think this is wonderful. They began to scream and screech, and pelt her with more monkey poop. She, in turn, keeps hurling it back at them. Then, suddenly, it occurs to her:"THEY WILL DO THIS ALL DAY LONG."
Not wanting to descend to the level of hurling monkey poop, she realizes the futility of playing this game, takes a deep breath, and walks away.

As for being a shill for Ryan, he and I have never met, and I don't own any of his products. Not only that, but he is in Missouri and I am in Texas. I spoke with him briefly sometime ago and we exchanged a few emails. I was interested in the breeze, but ultimately decided that I didn't have the stomach for buying something I've never heard. But at the time that I first posted this question, I was very much intrigued by the smaller monitor.

I'm also not interested in spending much time throwing monkey poop, if you get my drift.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 20, 2012 at 19:07:14

villastrangiato

Rebbi said:

"As for being a shill for Ryan, he and I have never met, and I don't own any of his products. Not only that, but he is in Missouri and I am in Texas. I spoke with him briefly sometime ago and we exchanged a few emails."

- As if no one has ever shilled for a person or company without owning its products, meeting its principal(s), or living in the same state?

With respect to you and I - you were the first person to start with the poop hurling (obvious axe to grind non sense). I suppose in your mind that if I didn't ramble on with accolades and kudos, that meant I had an axe to grind (eyeroll). As for poop hurling in general, I'm sure we all can agree that what comes around goes around.

The difference between me and the average poop hurler is that I understand and can accept the fact that if I lie about someone's products or level unfair criticism, those who get a chance to hear and verify the product for themselves will be in a position to challenge my credibility. And as far as I'm concerned, my credibility is worth far more than any satisfaction that might come from putting an obnoxious doofus at some kind of disadvantage. I'm far more apt to challenge a ridiculous blanket statement claim than make one.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 20, 2012 at 19:20:02

toddnkaya
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Villastangiato ,
You are one one bizarre fellow, with an obvious axe to grind against Vapor audio. Nice job! Rebbi is outstanding member of the Audiogon community.
I actually have heard most of Vapor products at Akfest this year, and I do own the Breeze. My Breeze are done in redwood burl, with matching stands, amorphous core Raal upgrade and Dueland resistors. The crossovers are in the base of the stands.
I heard many people comment that the Breeze was the best at show at Akfest. This was my impression as well. I heard $ 30,000 monitors that did match the awesome tonality , great deep and wide soundstage, amazing detailed sound, and musicality ,and fast ,tight tuneful bass that the Breeze had in spades. The fact that Vapor sells speakers that sound this impressive for $1250 really shows that Ryan and Peter know how to design amazing speakers at price points far below its competitors. In my opinion, and from speaking with two other Breeze owners, the Breeze punches way way above its price point, and is a stunning value at its price.
I also heard the Aurora and Arcus and they were also very impressive at their price points!
The Cirrus that I heard in another room was easily the nicest looking speaker at the show, and maybe the best looking speaker I have ever seen. Unfortunately, the room was not set up with the same care that Ryan had set up his room, so the full potential of the speaker was not heard for me. The owner who was showing his Eastern Electric components was still thrilled with his purchase.
From the four designs I heard from Vapor , I have no reservations saying Ryan is a master speaker designer. IMHO
I'm not sure why you hate Ryan and Peter , but I do know that if you actually heard Vapor's speakers you might be blown away with the sound of their products .

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 20, 2012 at 20:01:42
Spkr_Bldr Manufacturer Posts: 15 Location: St Louis Joined: July 18, 2008	Haha, I like your style rebbi :) I'm no poop thrower either, and abhore that reality of the internet ... that some people use it as their personal litter box. If you ever want to hear a pair let me know. I could probably get a pair to you for a listen. I also have Cirrus owners in Dallas and Houston.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 21, 2012 at 16:00:56

miyy4u
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I understand that these speakers sound great. Everyone that owns them thinks they are up high on the value scale but the drama that surrounds this company is enough to scare potential customers away. I wouldn't be jumping on board with them at the moment until much more happy users come along. This would be proof that the company is more sustainable. The Audiogon threads are train wrecks which were created by unhappy customers,so regardless of what people think on the sound has zero bearing on the direction the company is headed. A few unhappy customers can cause serious damage to a small company to the point potential customers may see diminished value after purchase. The unhappy customer is just poison unless there are 50 totally satisfied customers. Even 10 in the right forum would squash 1 unhappy client.
How do they handle warranty? I see nothing on the website that makes me feel comfortable. They have had problems with speakers and according to the Audiogon thread that was closed it didn't look like it was being handled with care.
They are also asking for a 50% deposit and some of these builds are taking a year to ship.
How many happy customer are lined up? Can't be too many.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 21, 2012 at 19:51:32

Spkr_Bldr
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miyy4u - 10 total posts, 6 of which are in this thread. And your posts in this thread are the only ones since 2009? So IMO it's safe to assume you have some sort of personal grudge, and feel safe hiding behind internet anonymity. The only other answer is that you know nothing of me or my business, in which case why are you posturing as though you do?

The Audiogon threads are train wrecks because of one guy with multiple usernames, who also happens to live in Nevada (as your account says that you do). Hmmmm

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 22, 2012 at 16:16:10

villastrangiato

Can't let it go, can you Ryan? Like Schumacher, you always have to have the last word and always have to personally attack someone who has a different viewpoint or gripe - legitimate or not. The fiasco with the D-Sonic amplifier was to use one of your friend/admirer's words - quite bizarre. And of all the people to link up with, Peter Schumacher is extremely opinionated and derisive - particularly towards people who don't share his views. There are 14000 posts of his on the Parts Express board that back me up on this. So given your actions and those of people you associate with, you shouldn't be surprised that the train wrecks have been following you around.

A little advice (not that you'd be inclined or intelligent enough to take it) - just build the best speakers you can and let them speak for themselves. Asking your friends from Missouri or Texas to give you a plug on an internet forum is bound to blow up in your face. If your speakers are good, in the end, that's all that really matters.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 22, 2012 at 21:53:39

miyy4u
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Sorry spkr-bldr I just realized you are Vapor Audio. Shall we exchange info? I haven't lived in Nevada since 2010.
I was looking into your speakers at one time until a bunch of customers started complaining and I know for a fact it was not coming from one guy with multiple accounts. That was a pretty silly comment.
I sure hope you guys can get your program together over there because I have heard your speakers sound good. It seems you need to work on wood working skills and delivery times from what I have read so far. Your driver selection and crossover ability is good, yes? So it seems that you are close to being a real company, no?
If you don't get it together I can tell you your company will be short lived and you are already riding a fine line, yes? Are the customers funding this project for you since you require a 50% deposit? If this is really the case then I feel sorry for the last few orders that go through your company because the DIY builder lives and breathes through the internet and your company is being weighted by unhappy users. Good luck to you Brian!

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 23, 2012 at 06:15:28
Pete Schumacher Manufacturer Posts: 14 Location: St. Louis Joined: August 14, 2012	miyy4u, I sent you an email a couple days ago using the information from your profile here at the Asylum. Feel free to reply with questions any time and I'd be more than happy to answer them.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 23, 2012 at 07:57:20
rebbi Audiophile Posts: 288 Location: Austin, TX Joined: September 4, 2008	Monkey Poop: --------> "A little advice (not that you'd be inclined or intelligent enough to take it) Monkey Poop: ---------> "Asking your friends from Missouri or Texas to give you a plug on an internet forum..."

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 23, 2012 at 15:27:19
miyy4u Audiophile Posts: 12 Location: California Joined: December 3, 2006	I sent an email as well. Thanks!

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 28, 2012 at 17:10:29

agisthos
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Joined: September 14, 2011

After being exposed as someone who lied about hearing the Vapor at RMAF, Villastrangiato then desperately did a web search and luckily found the Stereomojo post of the one other occasion a Cirrus was at the show in 2008. (and Ryan and Vapor were a totally unknown quantity at the time).

So he can now claims to be 'very familiar with both you and your speakers'. You got out of that one eh Villi !

'They are generally a showcase for a particular style of cabinet making as they lack bass and have a limited vertical listening window.'

The above statement shows me your have no experience whatsover with the Cirrus. Villi you are nothing but a troll who is willing to lie and make stuff up.

The problem is Ryan and co are active on forums and engage too much against this sort of people. I have been on audio forums and newsgroups for 10 years, and I have never seen a manufacturer successfully keep back the Villastrangiato's of this world. It is a pointless exercise.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 29, 2012 at 14:03:43
toddnkaya Audiophile Posts: 3 Joined: September 24, 2010	Rebbi can you explain your last post? That left me very confused.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 30, 2012 at 09:13:35

villastrangiato

I've been attending shows across North America for more than ten years. This is the first time I've ever been challenged as to whether or not I've actually heard a particular pair of boxes but then, the issue is related to the likes of Peter Schumacher and Ryan Scott - therefore anything goes - including shills creating accounts and logging on to bad mouth anyone who doesn't have anything but glowing praise of Ryan's stuff. Practically everyone who has posted in this thread to support Ryan Scott has less than 20 posts in their history - including Scott and his partner - Peter Schumacher. This thread is fittingly as bizarre as the people behind the "products" it is about.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 30, 2012 at 17:48:35
rebbi Audiophile Posts: 288 Location: Austin, TX Joined: September 4, 2008	See my earlier post about "Jane Goodall and the chimpanzees" for the meaning of "monkey poop."

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on August 31, 2012 at 16:26:04
vortrex Audiophile Posts: 24 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Joined: June 11, 2011	just a quick post to say I did receive my cirrus black today, and in my opinion, hang with anything I heard at the SF audio show a few weeks back. wish I could compare them head to head in my room with the audio note (those were my favorite at the show).

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on September 1, 2012 at 08:51:12
saeyedoc Audiophile Posts: 16 Joined: August 6, 2012	Congrats on finally getting your Cirrus. What was the total time from placing your order to receiving them? How do they look, any problems? It's a shame the cabinets for your Tempesta didn't work out, I was looking forward to your comparison

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on September 1, 2012 at 10:56:40
rebbi Audiophile Posts: 288 Location: Austin, TX Joined: September 4, 2008	Yes, I got to spend a little time at the CAS and the Audio Note room was my favorite, too.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on September 1, 2012 at 11:05:25

vortrex
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Posts: 24
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Joined: June 11, 2011

first, I don't want to get involved with all the bickering and drama. everyone knows it takes a long time to get these speakers and mine were no exception. are the speakers cosmetically flawless? no, they are not. do they look nice? yes, they do. do they sound good? yes, phenomenal (and I'm not one to praise something just because I spent my own money on it). there is a reason why everyone who hears these are blown away. they are legit. I'll post some pics later today here or at audiocircle.

the tempesta will be up and running at some point. I'm going back to the the PE cabinets, just thinking about how I want to finish them. I also got a bench top CNC to cut my own baffles, which will take some more time to get up and running. I agree that it will be very interesting having both in the same place with the same gear for easy A/B comparisons.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on December 11, 2014 at 11:20:42

JP1208
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Posts: 1
Location: Nevada
Joined: December 11, 2014

Vortrex, sorry to hear about your dealing with Vapor Audio. I didn't have a good experience either and it's a shame that posts are taken down when you want to share those experiences with others. I see that 6moons did post our experiences and I would love to share more of what I know and my experiences with Vapor Audio. In my case, which was 2.5 years ago, they had no problem shipping speakers with cosmetic issues and hiding the issues in photos they had sent me. They knew if I saw the side of the one speaker or the baffle on the other I may have wanted an explanation or resolution at the time.

I'm just hoping that potential customer can see both sides and then determine if that want to make that leap of faith. I was somewhat in the same boat as Csmgolf that posted on Audiocircle about his ongoing experience. I'm sure it will workout in the end for him because Vapor's reputation is seriously on the line.

I still have my Vapor Cirrus speakers and when they were working they sounded great but after only 2.5 years one of the crossovers has issues causing the tweeter to drop in db and distort. It has been narrowed down to a crossover issue after all test have bee done. The speaker works perfecty on the other corssover. It's nice that you can swap crossovers very easily due to the speakon connections and crossovers in the base of the stand. Very easy to get to the crossovers if you wanted to make some changes. The caps measure fine but under a load one of the parts is not cooperating.

RE: Any of you heard the Vapor Audio Cirrus or Breeze?, posted on December 11, 2014 at 11:41:30

vortrex
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Posts: 24
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Joined: June 11, 2011

An update to my Vapor experience... I sold them off pretty quickly due to the very poor build quality. I tried convincing myself I could live with it but every time I looked at them it depressed me that I wasted $4k on such DIY level construction/finishing. They are nice sounding speakers, but with such bad build quality there are far better options out there. On top of that, the buying experience was terrible with all the delays and lies.

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