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Ping John...concerning #29

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Posted on November 4, 2009 at 19:03:57
LWR
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and specifically The Other One on disc 6. Do you know, off the top of your head, a better more intense version of that song? Jesus, they just wail on that and they play with one mind and a zillion fingers....just knocked my socks right off me...
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I should get 36 any day now and the . . ., posted on November 4, 2009 at 22:34:19
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preorders come out on the 11th?

Anyway, I haven't listened to "The Other One" yet but I will. I forgot to load discs 4, 5 and 6 so I hadn't listened to them. I have them on my iRiver now in lossless so will let my JH13 pros do their work.
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The Other One, posted on November 5, 2009 at 06:25:14
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on 36 is a good comparison to 29. 36 does not have that unclassifiable spark that 29's does.That song goes back to the beginnings of the group BTW, but you surely know that by now!!
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RE: The Other One, posted on November 5, 2009 at 17:38:17
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A version that stands out in my mind was the Valentine's Day show in 68 (about a week after Cassady had died) when they played at the Carousel Ballroom and dedicated the show to Neil. Recently, I believe it came out on Road Trips Vol.2 No.2.

A little history on it comes from a David Gans interview:

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 1997 13:09:51 -0800
From: Steve Biederman
To: ddodd@well.com
Subject: Annotated Lyrics Submission: "Smilin' on a Cloudy Day"

I see you haven't added this stuff that tnf (David Gans, for anyone who is unclear on Truth N Fun...) did with Bob and Phil, where he reveals getting busted for "smiling on a cloudy day".
Sorry, I only saved the text itself and not the conf, topic, or date. (Me, I saved it off on July 23 1996; don't know whether tnf posted it then or earlier and I only ran across it then):
Weir: Interesting story with "The Other One." Uh, it was one of the first tunes I ever wrote. Actually, we came up with the "map," basically, for the song in a rehearsal somewhere, just kickin' stuff around. And then I took it and started shaping it up, and things like that. We for the song in a rehearsal somewhere, just kickin' stuff around. And then I took it and started shaping it up, and things like that. We went on a tour, in the Pacific Northwest, and I was, you know, I was not done with it, I was wondering what the song was about, and then one night it sort of came to me. Basically, it's a little, a little fantastic, uh, episode about my meeting Neal Cassady. I wrote the two verses - that's all there is to it, really, is two verses - and, uh, then, uh, we played the gig that night and came home the next day and when we came home we learned the news that Neal had died that night...
DG: Wow.
Weir:...the night that I wrote that. As legend has it, he died counting the railroad ties on the tracks -
Lesh: From Dallas to Denver.
Weir: Something like that. San Miguel de Allende [Mexico], I think, is where he was.
Lesh: Okay.
Weir: Um, so I guess that was a little visitation, that's - not unlike Neal.
Lesh: But if I remember correctly, as soon as you had, as soon as you had the words, then we did the song.
Weir: Yeah.
Lesh: I mean, we did it that night
DG: Wow.
Lesh: It didn't require any rehearsal.
Weir: Right.
Lesh:
[Over "The Other One:"] DG: Now, I remember a version from a little bit earlier, maybe the late in '67, you had a different set of lyrics; the first verse is about, you know, "the heat come 'round and busted me"...
Weir: Right.
DG: ... and then there was a second verse that was about "the heat in the jail weren't very smart," or somethin' like that...
Weir: Oh, I don't...
DG: ...and then you had - so...
Weir: Yeah, that was, that was after, uh, that was after my little...
Lesh: Water balloon episode?
MM: Uh-oh!
DG: Oh, I wanna hear this!
Weir: I got him good. Uh, there was this, there was, I was, uh, I was on the third floor of, uh, our place in the Haight-Ashbury. Um, and there was this cop who was illegally searching a car belonging to a friend of ours, um, down on the street - the cops used to harass us, uh, every chance they got. They didn't care for the hippies back then. And uh, and so I had a water balloon, and what was I gonna do with this water balloon, come on. And, uh...
Lesh: Just happened to have a water balloon, in his hand...
MM: See, I wasn't gonna bring that up...
Lesh: ...ladies and gentlemen.
Weir: And so I got him right square on the head, and uh...
Lesh: A prettier shot you never saw.
Weir: ...and, uh, and he didn't, he couldn't tell where it was comin' from, but then I had to go and go downstairs and walk across the street and just grin at him...
Lesh, MM, DG:
Weir:...and sorta rub it in a little bit.
DG: Smilin' on a cloudy day. I understand now.
Lesh, DG:
MM: It all becomes clear.
Weir: And, uh, at that point, he decided to hell with due process of law, this kid's goin' to jail. He didn't have a thing on me, they, they . It never got to court, but on the other hand, I did get thrown in jail and beat up a little bit.
MM: I still want to go back; you just happened to have that water balloon handy, it was kind of just like standard procedure.
DG: Gee, I wonder if...
Weir: He was the guy that was breakin' the law, too, the cop was.
MM: That's, that's - I agree.
Weir: I guess - what, what does a water balloon amount to, is that assault with a, uh...
DG: Friendly weapon.
MM: With a moist weapon.
Lesh, DG:
MM: That goes under the water laws.
DG:
MM: And if it was tap water, that also...
Lesh: Disrespect for an officer.
Weir: Right.
DG: That was enough in those days - as I recall.

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