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Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link

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Posted on July 25, 2011 at 08:27:44
Regor Ladan
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Below is a direct link to the folder containing:

Two flac files, and hi resolution 18 megapixel jpegs.

Password: revox

Please let me know if there are any issues. I tested and it worked ok.

Also, any reports on performance and recording/archiving quality are appreciated.

Also, see photo for remaining reels I will digitize, time permitting.

 

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RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 25, 2011 at 09:10:06
ted_b
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VERY nice, thanks.

 

Thanks Regor., posted on July 25, 2011 at 10:21:41
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Greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks for this (nt), posted on July 25, 2011 at 10:49:30
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Isn't it illegal to distribute this? /nt, posted on July 25, 2011 at 12:05:43
bwb
nt

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 25, 2011 at 12:21:20
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Having trouble downloading. I get to the page where I see it wants a password...I enter it download each of the 2 flac files but I get 70 kilobyte size files. I know that cant be right. What am I doing wrong?

 

RE: Isn't it illegal to distribute this? /nt, posted on July 25, 2011 at 12:33:06
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No. I searched the copyright database. This catalog # is not entered.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 25, 2011 at 12:44:46
Regor Ladan
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I tried it and it worked perfectly.

 

Thank you..........it sounds great NT, posted on July 25, 2011 at 12:52:59
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nt

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 25, 2011 at 13:54:41
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Sounds good, no digititise. I hear good imagingand colour.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 25, 2011 at 19:19:44
ted_b
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Agreed. A very nice tonality; not warm but rich. Not digital at all!! :)

I'm sorry to say the rest of that tape collection looks like my parents' albums, but I guess I need to be open-minded. :)

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 25, 2011 at 19:37:56
Regor Ladan
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Glad you like it. I grew up on analog, but I am very much a believer that digital is a better delivery medium.

I have been involved in amateur and pro recording since aged 13, and I believe in minimalism.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 25, 2011 at 19:41:40
Regor Ladan
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I'm glad you dig it.

Sorry, I take no responsibility for the rest of the collection...I was 0 years old when they were purchased!!

But Stravinsky...geez, a hugely influential piece of music for me. He invented psychedelic sounds. He was the Jimi Hendrix of classical? Or was Hendrix the Stravinsky of rock?

I have a stash of my dad's FM recordings that I mastered as well...stunning performances from the NYP, BSO, and CSO.

Stay tuned.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 25, 2011 at 20:27:00
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I will report tomorrow when I have a chance of listening but I have a question. Is what we are doing here legal under copyright laws? Just asking.
Be careful
Alan

 

RE: Isn't it illegal to distribute this? /nt, posted on July 25, 2011 at 20:31:50
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I just read an interesting article. It said in England it is illegal to rip a cd or lp to a digital format. They said in the US it is ok to rip a cd or lp toyour computer but it is then illegal to sell the original cd or lp and it has nothing to do with copyright.
Alan

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 25, 2011 at 20:43:28
Regor Ladan
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Who knows. I checked the copyright database and this 1962 recording was not listed. Enjoy the music.

 

Very Nice- I haave the CD, posted on July 25, 2011 at 21:43:21
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I have this exact recording on CD, it was released as part of a box set, The Original Jacket Collection, in 1999.

Compared to that CD, your recording has more air and space around the instruments. It's not warm (few Columbia recordings were)but it's not "digital" either.

I hear a little rumble in the first few seconds after you started the machine.

I very much like it, thank you!




 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 25, 2011 at 21:54:01
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I will
What equipment did you use to create the flac file if you don't mind telling
I have been using the Zoom H2 to copy cd's and lp's plus live recording. I then use Wavepad to do any editing and final burns if I want a CD
Fun isn't it
Alan

 

RE: Very Nice- I haave the CD, posted on July 25, 2011 at 21:56:46
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"I hear a little rumble"
This is a tape. Would this be just initial vibration of the tape machine starting up?
Alan

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 25, 2011 at 22:15:36
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I'll be good to have 176 or 192 k.

Just being greedy.

 

Thanks. Looking forward to the other tapes., posted on July 26, 2011 at 02:27:00
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Thanks a lot.
Looking forward to the other tapes.

4shared.com seems to be a good file sharing site.

 

Very kind of you, posted on July 26, 2011 at 06:00:44
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This has always been my favorite version of The Rite - I've owned the cassette, LP and CD versions.
Jeff

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RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 26, 2011 at 08:46:50
Regor Ladan
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Simple:

Roland PCM Wave recorder to SD Card, import into Audacity, convert to FLAC with xACT.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 26, 2011 at 08:48:46
Regor Ladan
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Major diminishing returns. Sampling rates are the new Megapixels...one of many factors.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:05:23
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Very nice
I am going to go listen now. I will post my reaction when I am done. I'm sure it will be good
Alan

 

RE: Isn't it illegal to distribute this? /nt, posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:07:42
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Wasn't this what Alan Maher was doing? I would be careful. Sony/Columbia has deep pockets and an army of lawyers. An historic recording by a legendary composer...not something they would let us play around with...IMO.

Just my 2 centavos.




 

RE: Isn't it illegal to distribute this? /nt, posted on July 26, 2011 at 10:43:32
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Sony/Columbia has deep pockets and an army of lawyers.

Many thanks for posting the files. As the recording was made in 1960, it is almost certainly no longer protected by copyright in the UK or the EU - see link.

Comments both in the piece and in various linked articles suggest that the US situation is far less clear.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 26, 2011 at 14:08:25
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"I'll be good to have 176 or 192 k."


I agree. The High Definition Tape Transfers of similar vintage and technology recordings (consumer 4 track 7.5 ips) provide better sound at the higher sampling rate based on several purchases I made.

The benefits may be diminishing, but the extra cost is small unless Roger runs into an upload size limit.



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RE: Isn't it illegal to distribute this? /nt, posted on July 26, 2011 at 14:42:08
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Here's something from the write-up on the piece in Wikipedia:

Stravinsky's own 1961 recording of the work for Columbia Records included liner notes by him, transcribed from an interview for which the audio still exists. Therein, he stated that he received $1,200 (his share of a total $5,000) for the use of his music in the film, explaining that since his music was not copyrighted for use in the USA it could be used regardless of whether he granted permission or not, but that Disney wished to show the film in other countries.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Rite_of_Spring

 

RE: Isn't it illegal to distribute this? /nt, posted on July 26, 2011 at 14:47:04
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You might be right. However, sometimes things aren't quite as "black and white" as they might seem and a measure of caution is advisable.

 

Stravinsky, posted on July 26, 2011 at 15:22:48
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Stravinsky's original score is in the public domain, as I understand. This is the version that was used (and abridged) in Fantasia. However, he later (1943) redid the orchestration of the last section of Rite of Spring, and that score IS STILL copyrighted. This is the version he recorded in 1961 that you have uploaded. Even if the music itself were in the public domain, that 1961 recording would still be under US copyright.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 26, 2011 at 16:26:06
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Tony, this falls into the category of the megapixel war.

The "higher the number" is always better mentality.

When I say diminishing returns..I mean you need a microscope in most cases.

I have plenty of bandwidth, I am just not willing to invest in a 192 Khz capable recorder.

I have played 96/24 dubs of some of my tapes for people while playing off the reel and I had several very experienced listeners who could not pick live or Memorex.

 

RE: Isn't it illegal to distribute this? /nt, posted on July 26, 2011 at 16:28:36
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Since loose lips sink ships, I will be taking down the files in 24 hours.

Too many nervous nellies for my taste.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 26, 2011 at 19:54:27
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"When I say diminishing returns..I mean you need a microscope in most cases."

It depends on the recording. I think 192 kHz would be worthwhile for 15 IPS tapes, but it's marginal for 7.5 IPS tapes. But the extra cost is minimal. Even if the extra bits aren't necessary they can cover up a number of sins where marginal digital signal processing is involved. Any future reel to reel transfers that I am going to do will be done at 176.4 or 192 kHz, even at 7.5 IPS. I don't plan on going above 96 kHz for cassette tape transfers. In the end it comes down to the particular converters used more than the format. Whichever works best at whichever settings is the way to go if one can hear the difference. If not, for whatever reason, the extra bits are an insurance policy. If you are not using properly calibrated professional equipment then it's also necessary to take careful note of gain staging. I've had some tapes actually overload the output stage of my cassette deck and produce analog clipping because I was using too much analog gain on the cassette deck volume control. If I hadn't been clued into to these distortions over the years I would have ruined an otherwise good transfer and not known why.

In my experience (and many others) the most important part of the tape transfer process is the analog playback equipment. Get that right and learn how to use the available ADC and software and results will be good. In many cases it may not be easy to play an old tape and special tweaking, even baking, may be required. If transferred some old tapes that were simply one shot. Subsequent transfers had many dropouts.

The "live vs. Memorex" comparisons generally pass unless something is screwed up. The real test is whether the result is enjoyable over the long term. If two recordings sound superficially similar it is common for the brain to "lock in" and find everything sounding the same, particularly in tests where the listener is on the spot. The subtle differences don't come in the foreground (music) they come in the background (environment, sound stage, etc.) Many pop recordings are produced with only the foreground in mind, and for these recordings these subtle details are probably irrelevant.

I wouldn't buy a new converter just for the higher sample rate. But I certainly wouldn't by a new converter that didn't run at all the common speeds up to 192 kHz.



Tony Lauck

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RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 26, 2011 at 21:46:48
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I agree with most everything you say. In a professional situation archiving studio quality master tapes, I would spring for a 192 Khz recorder.

With my transfers I am pretty darn obsessive about levels, clipping, and preserving the original dynamics. There is a manual element still, when going from analog to digital, especially with old tapes.

And yes, several of my tapes were "one play" wonders, and it was like brain surgery, no room for error. Sort of thrilling, but sweat inducing too.

I also try to listen to the digital dub on at least three systems to make sure I am not missing anything.

In any event, what is the verdict on the Stravinsky?

My father loved the Telarc digitally recorded LP from around 1980.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 08:09:06
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I have listened to the Stravinsky. You did an excellent job and I am sure you have faithfully captured what is on the tape.My only comments would be that old tapes tend to lose high frequency information and I think that is the case here if my memory of the lp I had of this performance is still intact. The loss of top en tends to rob the sound of some detail and bite the original had. Also I think the performance is terrible lacking the real excitement of this music. Stravinsky was know as a terrible conductor of his own music and that's why Robert Kraft who was his companion stood in for him most of the time. Thanks for doing this. It is appreciated
Alan

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 08:37:08
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Regor, thank you for making this tape conversion available to us. Sounds very good and the transfer has retained that tape-like smoothness I crave!

I'm glad you're keeping the download link active!

Although 96/24 is a very good archiving medium, a good reason one may want a 192/24 transfer is to reduce artifacts even more when doing (some) remastering.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 08:48:03
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Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.

First, certainly a tape this old will have some high frequency roll off. That may not be a bad thing, as I believe many LPs, and most early CDs of classical works are often artificially tipped up.

As far as the performance, to each his own. I found it rather ominous.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 08:54:40
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What I crave from tape is richness. It is the ONE element that digital can't do as well in my opinion.

See I believe that MOST "mastering" is unnecessary, so there should be no artifacts.

In the case of a re-master, the most important element is the A to D transfer. If you get that right, assuming you are starting with well recorded source material, you are in the clear.

Except for editing and sequencing, the use of EQ, compression, and other signal processing are mostly just not needed.

FYI, the link will only be active for a bit longer.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 12:26:14
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My first reaction was that the high frequencies were rolled off. This was confirmed when I saw that the producer had been John McClure who did two other Columbia 4 tracks that I own, but haven't been able to play for years since my 4T machine died, Walter Brahms 4th and Walter Mahler 9. Both of these had excessive highs compared to other tapes and when I played them it was necessary to turn down the tweeter switch on my KLH-6's and aim the speakers so that the listening position was somewhat off axis. (With the tweeters in the normal position and the speakers pointing at the listening position the RCAs and Merc's sounded just fine on this system.)

So given the genre I expected screeching highs and the result was a bit dull. Actually, the recording wasn't so much dull as lifeless, and that was because my playback gain had been turned down because I had been listening to some louder music. (And because the peaks on your transfer were at about -5 dB, rather than close to zero as is usually the case with more heavily "produced" material.) Once I turned the gain up to where it should have been the music came alive. Perhaps it was still slightly dull, certainly not screechy as I was expecting.

When I listened closely (which required turning off this computer that I am presently typing on) it was possible to hear the various levels of tape hiss from several generations of tape. There was low frequency noise on the right channel on side 1 and this appeared to be on the dubbing master and not the copy. Back in the 60's and 70's this wouldn't have bothered me, but after getting a LP system that could play stereo records without distortion I was no longer quite as tolerant of these tape foibles. It wasn't so much white noise as bass noise and I suspect some of this was the result of recording equipment that wasn't properly adjusted, i.e. distorted bias oscillators or magnetized heads. This was a small thing, to be sure, but it made the tape less than "perfect". Also, particularly on Side 2 there was low frequency noise that appears to be a bit of reverse channel cross-talk from the 4 track format. This is always possible with 4 track tape, especially if the recording or playback machines aren't in perfect alignment.

I am not sure what to make of Stravinsky's conducting. I grew up on a London 4 track tape of Petroushka on one side and the R of S on the other. At the time I had spent all of my money on my tape deck, PAS-2 preamp and Citation II, plus a pair of KLH-6's, all money from mowing lawns. That summer if I wanted to listen to a stereo recording it was either Petroushka or the R of S. So I still have Ansermet's version locked deep into my mind. I will have to listen to this again before I can reach any kind of conclusion regarding the performance.




Tony Lauck

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RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 12:49:48
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When going eventually to 16/44 wouldn't 24/176 be a better choice? Most pro engineers I know are using 24/352 0r 24/176 because 176 and 352 are an even multiple of 44khz and is much simpler to down convert than going from 192khz
Alan

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 14:52:19
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This has been debated endlessly here.

It is an utter myth "most pro engineers" are using even multiples of 44.1 Khz. Absolutely not true.

176.4 seems to be the choice of the small esoteric classical boutique labels like Reference Recordings.

I would LOVE to know what studios are using 352.


CD will NOT be the delivery medium of the future, so they don't care about multiples of its sampling frequency.

The Facts:

Most rock and pop recordings are done at 48/24.
Many, if not, most remastered analog tape projects are done at 96.

The Abbey Road Studios engineering team has been using 192 for the past 5 years.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 14:59:07
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Very interesting. I appreciate your findings.

You are obviously a very analytical and technical listener.

As far as the overall gain, or loudness, I thought the output was pretty good. On my system, there was a lot of dynamic range. The difference between the softer parts and the crescendos was pretty big.

I did not have to in any way "turn it up", and it compared favorably in out put to some of my favorite CDs, meaning those with a natural presentation and not destroyed with compression.

I was just a curator here...just the facts mam...

Call me naive, but I still find amazing that I can listen to a 45 year old reel tape by hitting play on my Squeezebox!

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 18:40:47
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"I would LOVE to know what studios are using 352."

2L is one.


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RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 18:46:58
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So there is...one.

And how many units will they sell?

Over 192 Khz is pie in the sky for anything except esoteric, boutique labels. Even DSD is DOA as a recording medium for new pop or rock.

I won exactly one rock album recorded direct to DSD. And that is John Hiatt's last album.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 18:48:02
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"As far as the overall gain, or loudness, I thought the output was pretty good. On my system, there was a lot of dynamic range. The difference between the softer parts and the crescendos was pretty big."

Your recording level was ideal. It's just that I had been playing some annoying loud music before and had cranked the volume down. :-)

Actually, the volume that I used was still less than required for some quieter recordings, such as an 88/24 transfer of a DSD recording of the Water Lily Mahler 5. That recording required 10 dB more gain, and was 5 dB quieter than what your level would have been if you had boosted it to the limit just below clipping. Another one was the Reference Recordings Firebird. Both of these all digital recordings had a few dB more dynamic range than any magnetic tape recording, since the tape provides a bit of compression in the loud portions. One can tell the amount of compression involved just by looking for the peak levels on the recording and how loud the music sounds at a given volume setting.


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RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 18:51:22
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2L has consistently high quality recordings and good artists if you like their choice of music. They have gorgeous album art as well.

Tony Lauck

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RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 18:57:04
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Oh I agree. I have about 25 of their free downloads.

Great sounding. Some of the music is Ehh...

But they are a pin head...I can promise you outside of Computer Audiophile, and here, very few have ever heard of it. They will only survive because they only record public domain compositions to the best of my knowledge.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 19:01:33
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Thanks for the clarification! Boy that must have been loud music!

Orchestral music is a tough call. Some compositions feature extremely quiet parts, and extremely loud parts.

The truth is, as I have said before, compression is not always a bad thing.

To make a recording a listenable entity, sometimes judicious use is warranted..other wise you may end up blowing up people's speakers when they turn up the volume to hear the quiet parts, then get jettisoned out of the room on a sudden crescendo.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 27, 2011 at 20:47:08
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Yeah, I know what you mean with that "richness."

Most of the commercial RTR pre-recorded tapes I heard were very low in RMS volume and thus relatively quite high in hiss. I never figured out why the mastering engineers didn't stick to 0dB or +3dB peak. Tape is a very good auto-compressor at that level ;)

 

Good sharing sites?, posted on July 27, 2011 at 20:53:20
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There are still wait times... Rapidshare, on the other side, is about as BAD as it gets. There are also (better) alternatives such as MegaUploads, that don't pester you with (long) wait times. Some use Captchas, though.

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 28, 2011 at 07:20:34
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This is a tradeoff with tape. Neither way is completely satisfactory. Also, because of the equalization the maximum level is affected by the frequency as well.

The "0" dB reference level is typically set so that +10 dB gives bad distortion (3% harmonic distortion) with mid frequency test signals. The four track tape (at 7.5 IPS) has narrow tracks and the mass market version is at least third generation, probably more. A S/N ratio of 45 dB is typical for these tapes.

In addition to the harmonic distortion the high level non-linearity gives a few dB of compression, more if the tape is driven into heavy distortion. This compression can ruin an otherwise good recording by dulling the attacks. If the tape has been saturated there is no way to eliminate this distortion as information as to the original dynamics has been lost.

On balance it is better to avoid distortion and accept a little hiss given this media. In the 60's 4 track tapes sounded better than stereo LPs because there were no cartridges that could play these LPs and reveal what was in the grooves. This changed at some point in the 70's with the advent of advanced laser cut stylus shapes and moving coil cartridges.

Tony Lauck

"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar

 

Beware of Fake "Download" buttons, posted on July 28, 2011 at 07:27:44
Tony Lauck
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Some of the sites come with advertisements and these can include bogus download buttons. Some of these bogus download buttons can result in downloading malware. (I speak from experience.)

dropbox.com works well for files up to 300 MB. (Going above that size is also possible but requires installation of specific applications software which I haven't done.)




Tony Lauck

"Diversity is the law of nature; no two entities in this universe are uniform." - P.R. Sarkar

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 28, 2011 at 11:06:55
magiccarpetride
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Thank you Regor for this little gem. I found it very enjoyable, the sound quality is good and the overall experience was satisfying.

I've compared it with another high definition Rite Of Spring FLAC I have: the one by Eiji Oue conducting the Minnesota Orchestra (1997). Huge difference, in pretty much every aspect. I personally prefer your version. Eiji's recording appears much cleaner, but also much more clinical. Your version has much more 'balls', if you know what I mean. This, however, is probably my personal taste speaking, as I detest clinically clean, aseptic recordings.

At one point, during the playback of side 1 of your tape, I got really startled by the incredibly dynamic thump of tympani (or was it some sort of a bass drum?) The dynamics are incredible (I felt like I was blown out of my chair and slammed against the wall, which for some strange reason felt extremely satisfying), and even though I didn't have to crank the volume up, I was able to enjoy all the sonic details and the palpable texture of the varied instruments.

On my Maggies the sound stage for this recording is fantastic. Very life-like, unforced, natural, you can intuitively position each and every instrument on the stage without even trying. Depth is also very realistic, I was able to 'see' the instruments that were all the way in the back. The only thing that I've noticed is that the recording is overall on a dark side; could it be due to the already discussed rolloff of the highs? Don't know, and can't say that it affects the quality negatively. It's just that the sound appears darker than on most other high quality recordings of a symphony orchestra.

No comments on Stravinsky's conducting, nor on the music material. I find him in general to be all thumbs when it comes not only to conducting but also to composing, but hey, that's just me (he was apparently never capable of writing a solid melody, unless he could lift it off some Russian folk tune; all of his music sounds broken to my ears).

Thanks again!

 

RE: Stravinksy Rite of Spring 96/24 tape archive download link, posted on July 28, 2011 at 15:49:24
Regor Ladan
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Thanks. Based on your feedback, I have done my job!

I love those words...texture...dynamics...that is what tape is all about.

Yes, many classical recordings of recent vintage have no balls. They are clinical and really don't have any guts.

And yes, the recording, or the condition of the tape, renders it rather dark.

 

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