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cPlay - the open source high-end audio player using ASIO

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Posted on May 5, 2008 at 12:31:58
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cPlay

The open source high-end audio player using ASIO

May 2008

cPlay delivers high quality audio playback using ASIO 2. Playback is achieved using any ASIO compatible soundcard. cPlay is a minimalist audio player using the latest high quality SRC resampler (Best Sinc SNR 145.68db or 121.33db) or SoX (VHQ or HQ). cPlay's design offers state-of-the-art ASIO-only playback and caters for touch screen users. Installation, setup and use is easy. cPlay is built in c/c++ and operates on Windows XP SP2 Professional (32 bit).

FEATURES

  1. Resampling is sourced from LibSampleRate (version 0.1.5) and SoX 14.2.0 under GNU GPL license. LibSampleRate is aka SRC (Secret Rabbit Code) and supersedes the version as used in foobar2000. Best Sinc converter now offers a SNR of 145.68db or 121.33db (versus 97db). SoX VHQ offers better than 170db SNR. Resampling is bypassed when input rate matches output.

  2. Supports Steinberg's excellent ASIO 2 and is backward compatible to prior ASIO versions (as required by ASIO drivers).

  3. Offers high quality 64 bit double precision digital volume control (in 0.5db steps). This can be bypassed.

  4. Playback is achieved through .cue, .wav or .flac files. cPlay loads entire .wav or .flac (decoded) into RAM before starting. Playback is done directly from cPlay's internal buffer. Cue playback requires .cue files as created by EAC (single or multi file standard).

  5. Ensures efficient CPU resource utilization allowing for low specification processors or high levels of upsampling. This means CPUs can be underclocked / undervolted.

  6. Supports up to 3 ASIO soundcards with each having up to 100 output channels.

  7. Advanced optimizations are applied (if available from ASIO driver) during playback.

  8. Best results achieved when using cMP (i.e. cMP²). This allows for low level Windows optimizations. Use cMP release 1.0 final or later as this allows for bypassing RAM load in cMP (set RAM Load in cMP Settings to No) otherwise wav file is RAM loaded twice. cPlay allows for both svchost and lsass to be suspended during playback thus reducing the Windows footprint. Only exception is EMU's ASIO driver which requires both (svchost and lsass) to be operational. Set cMP's Optimize setting to Critical.

  9. Full remote control is achieved with cMP: offering volume control, track navigation, next/previous and stop/eject via (wireless) mouse.

USER MANUAL

Visit cMP² website (http://www.cicsMemoryPlayer.com) for more details and setup.

Screen Shot




GETTING STARTED

Download cPlay's installer here (1.3MB). Installation and startup is straight forward.

If you don't have an ASIO compatible soundcard, use ASIO4ALL. Note that ASIO4ALL does not support channel mapping (use default) and rarely handles above 48k sample rate.

Your feedback will help guide cPlay's future development. Source code (4.1MB) is available via email.

 

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Same Here, posted on November 27, 2011 at 05:22:10
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 Hello, Theo! I just wanted to post about these dangers. It went OK for 18 hours then crashed. I didn't know it was because of /CLKLVL. From the start it sounded very clean, so i posted it immediately.
Serge.

 

ATTENTION: DANGER!!!, posted on November 27, 2011 at 05:26:23
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 Sorry, folks. The boot.ini setting IS RISKY. It can crash your machine and reset settings in BIOS. Experienced by Theob and myself.
Serge.

 

RE: ATTENTION: DANGER!!!, posted on November 27, 2011 at 07:14:04
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 The boot.ini setting IS RISKY.

It works fine on the Atom :>)

That last set of reg changes c/w deleting logonui.exe has made as noticeable a difference as any other "XP Slimming" exercise on my systems. Thanks for the research!

BTW, anyone using a headless setup should also be able to delete the Pointer port, Keyboard port, Pointer class, Keyboard class and Parallel Arbiter (spelling?) keys.

Can't say if doing so makes any difference but it makes me feel good.

Dave

 

RE: ATTENTION: DANGER!!!, posted on November 27, 2011 at 09:16:38
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 =It works fine on the Atom :>) =
Of course. Atom is not downclocked. ;).


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My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: ATTENTION: DANGER!!!, posted on November 27, 2011 at 09:44:03
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 Atom is not downclocked.

You're right. It runs properly right out of the box. I said only that it worked, I didn't say it did any good.

Seriously, I don't see what downclocking has to do with it. As MS notes,
/CLKLVL Causes the standard x86 multiprocessor HAL (Halmps.dll) to configure itself for a level-sensitive system clock rather then an edge-triggered clock. Level-sensitive and edge-triggered are terms used to describe hardware interrupt types.
and seems relevant to IRQs from legacy (edge-triggered) devices. I'd be a bit surprised to find one on a modern mobo but I could well be wrong. Can anyone explain?

 

RE: ATTENTION: DANGER!!!, posted on November 27, 2011 at 11:04:57
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 And I said only that it worked due to it's stable mode because it is not downclocked. Obviously the option /CLKLVL leads to some instable mode with downclocking settings. So BIOS settings reset into default at start up as at overclocking.

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

Meant to say three and four/could not get #2 to delete, posted on November 27, 2011 at 21:10:43
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 Don't know what I was thinking.

On #2, even connected to my other computer (of ocurse, the only way I could make the changes) there was no way to delete the stuff - neither left column or the right.

Any way to trick the machine into letting me do these deletions?

 

Could not get he registry cleaner to load on my basic nLite install, posted on November 27, 2011 at 21:13:16
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 before I had done anything other that load the chipset drivers.

nLite must have taken out something it needs.

 

Ted brought this to my attention (registry trick!), posted on November 28, 2011 at 08:40:44
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 Don't know how I missed it.

Thanks,

(You should use a heading that lets it be known what is "inside"!)

 

RE: Lost and LAST registry tweaks, posted on November 28, 2011 at 09:43:36
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 Serge I could not delete any of the keys in step 2...not just the 7th key down. Anyway you say go inside the keys and delete that way. Can you say a little more about this? How do you exactly do it?

 

RE: Lost and LAST registry tweaks, posted on November 28, 2011 at 12:54:00
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 Btw even though I could not complete step 2 the sonic impact of these Reg tweaks had a significant clarity, purity, 'improved timbre' effect on my system.

A big thank you.

 

You must first ask PERMISSION for #3, posted on November 28, 2011 at 16:50:24
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 I could not get this to delete using Junaid's method (music computer SSD oconnected to my regular computer) so I got excited about the MIHAYLOV method which simply did not work.

Desparation ensues.

I noticed the PREMISSION choice and see that permission must be asked for before you delete these files. With each one you must ask and as soon as that is done deletion occurs without complaint.

Now to see if it will work ....

 

No permission was necessary, posted on November 28, 2011 at 20:02:06
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 Hello! Inmates! No permission was asked for or given. I made these changes during part 13-15 of the tweaks and AFTER the services and legacy services (around tweaks part7) were deleted from the registry. No permission was demanded. The xplite was implemented to its utmost after part 3, then minlogon (in my current setup I didn't need to make a minlogon acrobatics). When making standard cics' tweaks I DISABLED practically all the services, not just stopped them and disabled IP security from administrative tools-local security settings. This weekend I am going to rebuild everything from scratch (to use ps/2 mouse) and will go this way again but with Junaid's batch files. Will report, if anything goes differently. Also, a nontechnical comment: when you start from scratch, make all the cics changes + disable ip security and proceed with my tweaks. make xplite, awe, minlogon. THEN... LISTEN. If it sounds really good after my tweaks part 3-4, it WILL sound good. If it doesn't, you better start again. You may repeat the same steps, but the sonic result will be different. I can't explain why.
Serge.

 

I meant to say for #2, posted on November 28, 2011 at 20:57:42
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 Maybe it is because I am making the changes from another computer loading the hive from the MUSIC SSD.

Asking PERMISSION is not a big deal - just right click your mouse and check ALLOW. Simple, but I had to find it by looking at everything since I do not know anything about computers other than what I have learned from cMP. I certainly did not mean to imply this was difficult or scary.

I can say having been "forced" to save this for last the change it made was dramatic. One of the most dramtic changes I have experienced with the process. Not subtle in the least.

My curiousity got to me and I wondered what would happen if one removed SAM and/or security from the config file. Well, the answer is you get to re-do the STEPPE BIOS optimization. No need for anyone else to try this.

 

Why XPLite again?, posted on November 28, 2011 at 21:23:08
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 I think you should try an nLite install(unless you already did and did not like what you got). Seems to me you would have to have a smaller config folder than you could get otherwise. Registry is built at installation. I have no idea how much registry modification is done within XPLite so my assumptions could be completely erroneous.

Had not looked at the Administrative Tools/Local Security Settings before. Looks like lots of things worth exploring there. I guess you could implement AWE from there ...

Don't know if you used AUTORUNS before but I found I could uncheck/delete everything corresponding to a file to be deleted and lots of stuff dealing with SERVICES dependent on SHELL32. This was done within cMP. More stuff eliminated from the registry. There was little left of AUTORUNS when I was finished. Only the entries dealing with stuff I knew was needed. My config folder is now 4.2 mB.

Also went through some of the registry deleting stuff dealing with the services not needed and whose .dll files are deleted anyway. Also, deleted from DEFAULT all file suffixes dealing with audio and video. Got a list from WIKIPEDIA of all file extensions to go by.

Files that were needed (for the machine to start) from an earlier big nLite install (only keyboard and languages unchecked) were not there to begin with with the minimal nLite install leading to a smaller WINDOWS.

Now I want to do it again with this new idea about Administrative Tools/Local Security Settings and hear what happens.



 

Serge, are you deleting everything below SW?, posted on November 28, 2011 at 21:26:30
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 or the subfolders below the main entries?

I just deleted the subfolders.

Should I go back and get the other stuff?

 

Nlite this time, posted on November 28, 2011 at 22:13:06
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 Hi, Rick! I want to make a superminimal nlite install, but I don't know if it will allow Lynx drivers installation, if it will remove all the files and so on. I will use batch files, reg files, but how to clean windows to the extent I am at now,I don't yet know.
Also, how do we do nlite? make a disk and install xp from it? What next?
About the size of the registry. Did diminishing it work positively for you? As far as I understood ALL registry all 16mb(from the start) is always read and is residing in the nonpaged memory, and this is the most precious part of physical memory, that our soundcards' drivers use and, I think, partly cplay/cmp. I tried reducing "visible" memory for windows with /maxmem=*** setting. Interesting that reducing memory timings demands for slightly more like 215-216-217 mb. to ramload in cmp. I am yet to test /burnmemory instead of /maxmemory. The latter setting allows to avoid "holes" in nonpaged memory, that some people report. Anyway, will soon post about the results, including anothes STABLE boot.ini setting. Very good results.
Serge.
Please, for those like me, can you, if enough time, post a more extended NLITEing process? With traps to avoid. What is the size of windows after nlite instal. How functional it remains. What is this talk about registry cleaning?

 

RE: You must first ask PERMISSION for #3, posted on November 28, 2011 at 22:51:10
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 ~could not get this to delete using Junaid's method (music computer SSD oconnected to my regular computer~

The batch files have to be run on the Music computer itself. If they were to be run on a different computer, by connecting the SSD like u tried to do, then u need to edit my Batch files & change the Drive letter of the Root drive to the one which ur host computer has now assigned...
By default, the batch files have the Root Drive letter as C:\
If u connect this SSD to another computer, then it will assign a seperate drive letter to it, (eg K:\)
Then edit the batch file & all u have to do is Use the "Replace All" switch & replace the C:\ with the Drive letter now assigned...

Junaid

 

RE: Serge, are you deleting everything below SW?, posted on November 28, 2011 at 22:59:47
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 Sorry, but in what step of 4? If it is step 2 I can't help much, because the comp I am now at, doesn't have a soundcard inside enabled and no drivers installed, there is only asyncmac under sw now on my "virgin" internet/working comp, my cmp hdd is already cleaned. But IIRC there should be entries inside for aec, splitter wdmaud, sysaudio... directsound and so on. DETETE everything INSIDE sw, concerning sound. I mean that when you click on sw it will open and display entries like {eeab7790-c514-11d1-b42b-00805fc1270e} in this examole it is asyncmac, but you should have other entries also like the above example numbers. They can be all deleted, exept sysaudio entry. You should get INSIDE sysaudio entry and also delete inside. Hope this is not too confusing. But I think that there is everything about sound, including asyncmac, but be carefull. I cannot say it from memory. Too much time has passed and too many changes.
Serge.

 

Registry Slimming, posted on November 29, 2011 at 00:06:54
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 Multiple ways, numerous approaches, Subjective results !!! A lot has been happening even after the deletion process. As far as the Registry slimming process is concerned, there are a few approaches as well, but i resorted using Registry Mechanic for the same. Its a software i have been using since 3 years now, & it works flawlessly well. The method of using it for our purpose here is quite different though !!!
As mentioned above, there are numerous approaches to this as well, but i would outline the procedure that suited the best to me...

Starting with the basic Cics optimized cMp :
1. Install Registry Mechanic (Full version)
2. While in XP MODE, run the Registry Batches first ( all of them)
3. Run Registry Mechanic & then minimise it to the system tray.
4. Start running each Batch file for every step followed by Scanning the Registry. For eg. Run the Batch file for Steppe 2 > maximise Registry Mechanic > Scan the Registry > Select Repair > Minimise Registry Mechanic again to the system tray...
5. Do the above for all the Batch files, but be sure NOT to close Registry Mechanic, just minimise it.
By following the above procedure, i was able to clean the Registry even after completing all the steppes & Mihaylov's lists. (Juli@ users need to kill the Julapan.exe using the taskmanager BEFORE starting the deletions, else the file will reside in the system tray & will not be deleted while running the batch for Mihaylov's list..)
It cleaned nearly 2200 + errors from the Registry. I could never imagine that the sonic impact of doing this would be of so much importance...
I have recently re-built my cMp for using ps2 mouse, & eliminating all usb drivers. Absolutely Worth it !! I am going to modify the ps2 mouse to use an external power supply so that it does not use the power off the MoBo, using a Granite Digital psu & feeding the 5v to the pin 3 & 4 of the ps2 mouse..

Junaid

 

RE: You must first ask PERMISSION for #3, posted on November 29, 2011 at 04:30:22
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 Your ask for '...permission...allow...' worked like a charm for me. I was able to get Steppe's registry, step 2 completed now. Thanks Rick you are right: its a big big impact on transparency.

 

RE: Lost and LAST registry tweaks, posted on November 29, 2011 at 04:55:42
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 I was able to do 2 thru 4 using Mihalov's method, having done all steppes and M's list before. I deleted all keys under SW without resistance though each deletion asked for permission. I don't use a soundcard so step 1 is irrelevant for me.

I had also attempted registry cleaning by using Advanced Registry Cleaner on a partition at an earlier step after applying later registry changes only. I then substitured the config files System and Software from this system into the fully savaged system. Then I did these final registry steps. I have not done the xplite thing, however.

 

How to run the programs on tweaked cMP2, posted on November 29, 2011 at 05:10:11
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 Hi to all!
It is a pity to me of those people who cannot start those or other programs on tweaked cMP2 (for example, regedit or programs for registry). I want to help them. Rebuild the classical version cMP2 on your cMP2 (when all programs still work). Start Mark Russinovich's Process Explorer and, for example, regedit. Look at what files are used by regedit. Add those from them which is not present in tweaked cMP2 to run regedit on tweaked cMP2. That's all.
For work with the registry I use the portable version of jv16.PowerTools starting it on tweaked cMP2 from NAS.
See also for details here http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/9/98066.html and here http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/9/99013.html.

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Registry Slimming, posted on November 29, 2011 at 05:15:53
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 =I have recently re-built my cMp for using ps2 mouse, & eliminating all usb drivers. Absolutely Worth it !! I am going to modify the ps2 mouse to use an external power supply so that it does not use the power off the MoBo, using a Granite Digital psu & feeding the 5v to the pin 3 & 4 of the ps2 mouse..=
Great Junaid!

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Registry Slimming, posted on November 29, 2011 at 05:50:38
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 :)

Junaid

 

YET another reason for doing it again, posted on November 29, 2011 at 07:44:15
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 Many good ideas there, Junaid!

Thanks,

 

Just go to the website, posted on November 29, 2011 at 08:00:20
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 It is free and simple. And the install goes so quickly finding something that doesn't work is no big deal. About ten minutes start to finish.

You will have to have NETFRAMEWORK on the machine you use to produce the install disk.

There is a place where you can tell it to delete or retain specified files.

I had success deleting the codecs but when I tried to make a big deletion list something or other would go wrong so after goint through eleven disks I gave up. I will try this again but that day it was all I could stand!

If Junaid's registry cleaner works this becomes a moot point anyway

Go download it and play with it. http://www.nliteos.com/

I have made ten's of disks over the last three months to find how little I could get away with.

The minimal recommendation I gave works with JULI@ and PS/2.

If you know which files the LYNX needs just make sure you retain them in the spot where this is allowed (ADVANCED tab) I don't have it in front of me so forgive my minimal help!

You can also load drivers into the install. Though I must add I tried to load JULI@ drivers and this did not work for me. I probably did something wrong.

It is very simple to use just take you time looking at it the first time.

I look forward to hearing what tricks you come up with!

I am planning on making a list of what I did but as soon as I think I have it ready (in my head) you and Junaid come up with bew ideas to incorporate.

As I mentioned before the registry cleaner fclo recommended would not work with my nLite install. I will try Junaid's recommended one when I do the next install which just might be tonight! Can't wait to power that PS/2 mouse with my 5 volts sdd/hdd power supply. Why did that not occur to me?

 

Junaid, I think you are thinking about something else, posted on November 29, 2011 at 08:55:42
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 I am not aware you had done a batch file for these latest registry mods.

No batch files can be run on my music computer at this point. I had to connect to the other machine, using the LOAD HIVE method.

Would not allow deletion until I right clicked on the entry to be deleted and click PERMISSIONS. Check ALLOW and all was easily done.

 

I think I know what to do now, posted on November 29, 2011 at 09:00:53
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 Serge,

I wish I knew computer-speak better. You would probably understand what I was asking if I knew how to ask it!

Under SW, when you first open it there are the basic entries with + signs which when clicked give us the entries with the audio stuff.

I deleted only those entries, the ones that appear after the + is clicked and wondered if I should delete what is left after deleting the items shown when the + is clicked.

I bet if you did the PERMISSIONS thing you could have deleted sysaudio just like you did the others.

It is funny how different each of our installs can behave!

I am assuming I should go back and delete the items with the + sign next to them, also. Of course, now they won't have a + sign next to them ....

 

I emptied SW entirely with no ill effect(nt), posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:27:07
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RE: I emptied SW entirely with no ill effect(nt), posted on November 29, 2011 at 10:37:10
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 me too

 

RE: Registry Slimming, posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:09:48
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 Great Junaid!!
I can confirm that ps/2 is better for sq, i never used usb for this reason.

Douwe

 

THANKS to you both nt, posted on November 29, 2011 at 11:42:31
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First (Bad) Nlite experiment, posted on November 29, 2011 at 12:55:11
steppe
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 Hello, everybody. I have burned a cd using nLite but it doesn't contain ntldr file and autorun.inf and setup.exe. Installation won't start.
First time I used an XP sp2 pro corporate vl version that doesn't need registration - nlite crashed before finishing its work without a serial number. Next I INSERTED serial number from my own disk. It went smooth, burned a 86 mb installation disk without initial installation files... Strange. What could have been done wrong, folks?
Serge.

 

I don't think you or it did anything worng, posted on November 29, 2011 at 13:14:23
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 It was designed to be used with the standard XP disk.

The "corporate" disk is different, I would assume, and there was a conflict.

Easy enough to use your standard disk.

I made a folder that contains the XP files from the CD which I then copy to another folder which I use to make the nLite disk.

You can always use that same file to make a smaller nLite installation but not the other way. If something was left out I would re-copy the XP CD files from the folder to the other folder and start again. nLite will remember your settings for desktop and start menu which can be a pain to select after the third time!

Were you able to install the LYNX?

I was not able to eliminate SP2 from my install disks. Have you tried?

 

nLite Works Just Fine with VL Windows XP - nt, posted on November 29, 2011 at 18:43:30
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That's not a Toy... IT'S A TOOL !!

 

RE: I don't think you or it did anything worng, posted on November 29, 2011 at 19:48:21
steppe
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 Hello! I didn't try to preinstall lynx, its files are on a different (cmp) computer and I did this trial just for experiment. I had only 1 blank cdr disk. I will try today, but, I think, I have to download a separate spak at first.
Serge

 

Service pack integration with nLite, posted on November 29, 2011 at 21:54:12
steppe
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 doesn't allow to do anything with it.
I have just downloaded from microsoft website the file:
WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe. Started nLite and told it to use this file as sp source. It simply unpacked it into a temp folder, congratulated me and went on to components removal. So, no sport here.
Serge

 

RE: I don't think you or it did anything worng, posted on November 29, 2011 at 22:16:37
Jolida
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 Hi Serge,
I have emailed u an ISO image of the nLite Xp installation. Just burn it using any program & u r good to go...

Junaid

 

RE: I don't think you or it did anything worng, posted on November 29, 2011 at 22:35:41
steppe
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 Oh, THANKS A LOOOOOOOT!!!

 

RE: I don't think you or it did anything worng, posted on November 29, 2011 at 22:58:08
Jolida
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 U r most welcome. The file is on it's way. Uploading. U will receive it in less than 20 mins.
I made my first nLite install last night. Took less than 10 mins & then made the cics optimisations. Overall it was done in about an hour. The sonics at this stage itself are way superior to anything I had heard before. I wanted to listen for a couple of hours before starting with the Batch deletions. The sound is way civilised, & controlled. The noise floor has dropped a real lot. The most evident aspect was the front-to-back imaging. Very well defined. The tone is clean with no peaks or sibilances. The only thing I felt that was missing was a little Salt in the dish. I'm sure that will settle in after the deletions...


Junaid

 

looking forward, posted on November 29, 2011 at 23:02:23
steppe
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 with impatience. Will be reassembling-reinstalling-reeverything these days.
Serge.

 

RE: looking forward, posted on November 30, 2011 at 00:47:21
kclo
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 So Serge and Jolida,

You are no longer using XPlite in your file removal procedures?

KC

 

XpLite, posted on November 30, 2011 at 03:32:07
steppe
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 Hello! I really do not know yet. I will be using nLite-prepared installation for the first time. I have seen and tried to remove as many things as I thought possible or sensible, but I suspect that some components may still remain. But I cannot say FOR SURE, I haven't tried it yet. All I know is that file deletions are still to be done, and here the bat files from Jolida are most welcome, just as his reg files are. He even prepared a reg file for the lost&last registry tweaks. Bless him! But bat files cover only my 1-16 tweaks while the tweaks go to part 22 and theye cover almost all of Mihaylov's tweaks as well. Almost nobody seemed to follow or reported to have come only my way. And it IS GOOD, because different approaches give a variety of results, we all can choose from by trial and error. Take Rick and Grant with their registry slimming down and an idea (simple and beautiful) to use ps/2 mouse. It is these things that made me redo the cmp again. I will certainly report. But the smaller the registry-the better is (imho) beyond doubt, even looking from the viewpoint of reduction of threads, severed by file deletions and memory management by windows that we can affect only partially. I am experimenting a lot now with memory timings and boot.ini memory settings now. Some results are very interesting. One was splendid but unstable. Will soon post about the nLitening and my small "finds" that are no secret, certainly, to more advanced computer folks.
Serge.

 

XPlite will spoil your nLite install, posted on November 30, 2011 at 07:21:44
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 there is a conflict. It will seem to sort of work but it makes a mess.

Give it a try since it is easy to start over but I know you will not like what happens.

If you are using the minimal nLite install I doubt it will work at all. I never tried it again after my first experience with it months ago.

To future minimalists: don't waste your money!

 

Manual Registry slimming, posted on November 30, 2011 at 07:40:55
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 In anticipation of using Junaid's recommended registry cleaner I took a look at the registry (using Junaid's method of loading hives into my "other" computer) and started looking through the entries for anything that had to do with files we have deleted.

Somehow the registry is much simpler this way. I think the registry we see on an active installation has many of the entries duplicated. The whole thing looks much simpler when loading hives into another computer.

I found another place where the same things Serge told us to delete the audio junk (#2 on his last registry post). Many easy to see places that are concerned with .dll's and .sys's that are longer there.

Unfortunately, I deleted things having to do with swenum.sys before I realized I should not have so I did not bother seeing if it would work since I feel confident it won't and it was too late and cold to see just for the fun of it.

Tonight I will try a new install and see if Junaid's recommended cleaner will work and THEN to see how long it will work as files are removed.

Then to go through the registry and see what is left.

If the registry cleaner will not work I am feeling good about doing it manually. Yes, it will take much more time but it is not daunting.

Lots of USB stuff to remove, services, etc.; basically, as Grant has long held that the cMP optimizations can be best done within the registry. WHo knows what all of those alpha-numeric things do - but if they have a sub-heading it is explained or there is more alpha-numeric which I would leave alone.

 

Found free program to edit fully stepped registry from outside, posted on November 30, 2011 at 07:41:58
riboge
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 I came across http://www.pcregedit.com/ which offers a free registry editor that works on registry files in config folder from outside via startup on cd made from .iso provided. By far the easiest way to prune registry at late stages of our cMP system trimming without having to add back .dlls or export hives.

 

Inmates! Please, check the sound change, posted on November 30, 2011 at 08:18:14
steppe
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of the following tweak. I have done it on my working machine. No crashes. But I don't have a cmp and a soundcard here. Cmp will be rebuilt only by weekend, but the tweak is itching. It's about the hatefull watchdog.sys
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff553890.aspx
Set BreakPointDelay value to 8640 (rightclick create the new REG_DWORD entry, then doubleclick it)
Set DisableBugCheck value to 1. Everything is working and rebooting.
Be careful.
Serge

 

Cerberus sedated, posted on November 30, 2011 at 09:37:41
riboge
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 I created the keys and set the values. No problems on startup and plays with seeming lower noise floor as very,very quiet bowing in Vasks quartet at the beginning of 4th movt of String Quartet 3, which is marvelous by the way, is now audible clearly. I have to listen more and at a different time as well to be sure I am not talking myself into this. Surely no harm done so I will let the sleeping dog lie in any case.

 

That seems neat, but ..., posted on November 30, 2011 at 09:40:18
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 one wonders if this is really any different than using another computer to load hives from your MUSIC SSD?

If one does not have access to another computer it is the only way.

No question, a great find.

If one could use this same approach to use a registry cleaner now that would be really something.

 

Does this allow deleting WATCHDOG?, posted on November 30, 2011 at 09:48:16
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 Wondered if you had tried.

 

RE: Does this allow deleting WATCHDOG?, posted on November 30, 2011 at 09:53:46
steppe
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 Hi! Most probably, it won't. I haven't tried, as I can't allow myself to crash the work machine. But at least this change stops the barking and howling for 24 hours.
Serge.

 

RE: Inmates! Please, check the sound change, posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:30:02
Ryelands
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 Please, check the sound change

I've tested the tweak by listening to familiar recordings first with the tweak made then with it removed then with it replaced. The change is very noticeable and, in my setup at least, definitely for the better.

It's too early to say that it works without fail on every system and all that but it's certainly sounding good here. My wife, who had no idea what I was changing and cares even less, confirms the result. That's no proof of course but it's encouraging.

Clever, these mermaids.

Thanks.

Dave

 

RE: That seems neat, but ..., posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:34:58
riboge
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 Yes, not really different in effect, but you can work on all the hives at one startup. Also if you have, as I do, multiple partitions with different stages of cMP stripping on the same ssd then you can work on the registries of each at one time.

I agree that being able to clean and optimize from this platform would be ideal. I have been thinking of calling the maker PC Disk Tools to see what they may know is possible along those lines.

 

RE: Inmates! Please, check the sound change, posted on November 30, 2011 at 10:46:16
theob
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 I'm in marathon ripping today. Its a brand new world post steppe 22 et al because I have to pull the hdd, put it in another computer via the docking station (what a brilliant tool this has been...thanks ryelands)and so on...but I will try later today. This really sounds promising.

While I'm ripping I'm listening to my other hdd's on the first day with a good clean poweline and I want to tell you the Lost and Last Reg tweaks are really outstanding...dynamics, space, beautiful highs and tight bass...what more could an audiophile want!! Thank you Steppe!

Cant wait for the watchdog--catcher.

BTW for those that still think pc audio is behind traditional cd playback ought to hearing what the mermaid is singing today.

 

RE: Manual Registry slimming, posted on November 30, 2011 at 11:16:34
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 When u start doing it, follow the instructions in my post. Do it in xp mode, & start Registry Mechanic & minimise it before u run the Batches. The reason I insist on this, is because if u close the program, the files needed for it to work may be deleted in those batches & it would no longer work. By keeping the program open & minimised, the batch would not delete the file, as it would be in use. After running all the batches & arriving at the final stage, restart in cMp mode & delete the few files that were in use by Registry mechanic, & Ur done. I personally feel that the registry cleaning is AS important as deleting the files themselves. Close registry mechanic & restart in cMp mode ONLY when u feel u have deleted all the required files, as this would be Ur only chance to do automated registry cleaning....

Junaid

 

RE: Inmates! Please, check the sound change, posted on November 30, 2011 at 13:01:51
theob
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 Ok I went to

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Watchdog\Display\BreakPointDelay

as per the link and all I have is

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Watchdog\Display

with nothing that looks like BreakpointDelay within Dispay. So what am I doing wrong here? Do I click on any of the stuff in the right hand pane to get BreakPointDelay to show?


 

THAT makes good sense. , posted on November 30, 2011 at 14:49:55
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 Thanks for the good advice.

I was tempted to do it within cMP but that is all the reason one needs to be able to keep two windows open. XP it is!

 

RE: Inmates! Please, check the sound change, posted on November 30, 2011 at 15:39:02
theob
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 With Ryelands help I was able to finally do this and the sound is fantastic. Yes noise is lower but its more than that: very lively with inner detail revealed..not hard...spacious...and even better bass than prior level. Serge how do you find these gems! Thank you.

After listening a bit the soundstage sounds very open and big: wider and deeper. Its almost like I got a bigger power supply somewhere in the chain. Well done again.

 

RE: Inmates! Please, check the sound change, posted on November 30, 2011 at 15:48:49
Mihaylov
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 It is necessary to create REG_DWORD entries! The right screenshot:




Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

Inmates! Please, also CHECK THIS!, posted on November 30, 2011 at 22:25:33
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Please, as I cannot currently hear the change, folks, make this tweak. It is safe, I have done it, the system works and reboots normally, if only slightly slower.
It should free the memory from crap, because most of these *.dlls cannot be removed and, sitting in this section of the registry, they are all read into memory on start up TOGETHER with all static dlls, that are associated with them.
Go:HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\KnownDLLs
in the window on the right remove all entries EXEPT DllDirectory
Will post the pic.
Serge

 

RE: How to run the programs on tweaked cMP2, posted on November 30, 2011 at 23:02:46
Jolida
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 Thanks. It would be of help to all...!!!

Junaid

 

whow, very nice SQ improvement !, posted on December 1, 2011 at 01:12:28
hfavandepas
 Hi Serge,

You struck some gold here!
The SQ improvement is real significant in my setup.
Theo already described the nature of the SQ improvement.
I get the same type of SQ improvement in my setup.

Thank you !

NB Your picture shows REG_SZ values instead of REG_DWORD values

 

RE: Inmates! Please, also CHECK THIS!, posted on December 1, 2011 at 01:58:06
Jolida
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 cool... will try it & post the feedback...

Junaid

 

Bitch Batch..., posted on December 1, 2011 at 02:10:25
Jolida
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 After making the batch files for various Steppe's, Jolida's & Mihaylov's lists, as well as their Registry Mods, i now wish to make a SINGLE batch file, which will take the cMp from the basic Optimised Cics stage to the Steppe 22, including all the above mentioned lists, Registries, Screenshots, & Optimisations...in ONE-CLICK..
Since inmates have different flavours of cMp (Julia@, Lynx, Networked), i request u to give me a list of files to be RETAINED for each of the above. For eg. I am a Non-Networked Juli@ user, so i may remove files which the Network-user may need to retain. Same goes to users of Lynx cards. As i have completely built my cMp various times, i know which files are needed for a user who uses the cMp with Juli@ & without network. I guess only Two other sections remain..."Lynx, & Network"...
If someone can give me a list of files to be retained for the above Two, i can make an All-in-One Batch that would be Customized to the above Specs...

Junaid

 

RE: Bitch Batch..., posted on December 1, 2011 at 02:14:18
steppe
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 Hello, Junaid. You seem to read my mind. I have posted something similar to that yesterday, but deleted as too brave to ask.
Serge.

 

RE: Bitch Batch..., posted on December 1, 2011 at 02:32:30
Jolida
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 Oh really? Thats cool :)
I have planned to make a Bitch Batch in such a way, that a Single batch file would delete ALL the files, leaving alone the ones needed for Juli@, Lynx, & Network. This will be a One-Click job. Then after this gets done, i will include 4 small Bitches as well, which will read..
1) I Dont use Juli@
2) I Dont use Lynx
3) I Dont use Network.
4) I Dont use USB

After the One-Click Bitch Batch finishes, users can further use the 4 small Bitches mentioned above, as per their requirement, & get rid of what they dont require..
For eg. in my case, since i am a Non-Networked juli@ user, i would click on the 2) & 3) batches above & get rid of the files not necessary in my set-up. Likewise others using Lynx can choose the 1) & get rid of files needed by juli@, & so on...
This sure would be labour-intensive to make, but i guess its Worth it !!

Junaid

 

RE: whow, very nice SQ improvement !, posted on December 1, 2011 at 03:03:19
Jolida
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 This is with Watchdog.sys deleted as well or Retained? I have already deleted Watchdog.sys from my System32. Would it still be effective?

Junaid

 

if you can’t hear the effect on SQ, than there is no effect., posted on December 1, 2011 at 03:24:28
hfavandepas
 Hi Jolida,

I haven’t deleted the watchdog.sys file
(personally I see no point in (more or less) randomly deleting files in an attempt too improve SQ. I like a more rational approach)

Reading your question on effectiveness, first thing that springs too mind is: your system should let you hear if this tweak has any effect or has no effect.

In my setup the tweak had a very noticeable and profound positive effect on SQ.
The effect on SQ can easily be heard.

So my guess would be: if you can’t hear the effect on SQ, than there is no effect.

Mark

 

RE: if you can’t hear the effect on SQ, than there is no effect., posted on December 1, 2011 at 03:39:51
Jolida
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 I haven't tried it yet. Will probably try this evening. My only concern was if watchdog.sys was deleted or not..!!

Junaid

 

RE: Bitch Batch..., posted on December 1, 2011 at 03:40:19
Bibo01
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 Thanks Junaid.
I can see that you are following my suggestion...

In your questions could you please include:

- Firewire for protocols (a few people employ Lynx Aurora, Weiss DAC202, Prism Orpheus; possibly Play-mate and/or Riboge can supply you with file names)

- Asus Xonar for sound cards (same as above, Audiodan can supply you with file names).

 

RE: Bitch Batch..., posted on December 1, 2011 at 04:14:28
Jolida
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 Well, as I had mentioned in a post a few weeks ago, I have practically NO knowledge in writing Computer programs. A day before I posted my first Batch, I dint even know what it meant by a Batch file. Writing one was a far away chapter... I was way exhausted by manually deleting each dll & running into problems, only to re-do the whole thing again. It was at this point that I started reading about a quicker way of doing the same, & here I am.
I sure could include Ur lists as well, provided I'm given the details of the files to be retained for what u have requested. Its just that I can't make it AS interactive as u have put..!!
I intend to follow a simple procedure of making a COMMON LIST (which I call the Bitch Batch), which will clear all the files Except the ones needed for the requested Peripherals or Functions, & then make another set of Batches which will get rid of what u choose not to keep thereafter...
I guess this procedure is as simple as an Interactive program itself..

Junaid

 

Bitch Batch Will Be A Bitch, indeed., posted on December 1, 2011 at 04:59:59
riboge
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 Thanks for the consideration of us variants. It may be a bit more complicated. There are items to be not deleted for WeissDAC202, for instance, drmk.sys, which is listed in driver details under device manager. But there is also one or more needed for its asio to be recognized by cPlay even beyond the proprietary driver components it takes to get the DAC connected via firewire. I have yet to narrow it down completely so far, having been a bit over-inclusive to make sure it worked. I'll work on it.

Then there are the firewire related items: I retained pretty much any dll, sys or exe with 1394 in it unless clearly specialized for something else, which did the trick, but again I have not made sure I got down to the absolute minimum of these yet.

I will try to come up with complete lists in future.

Then there is a set of items starting with syn_ which are for my trackpad. But my trackpad also requires portcls.dll, mouse.sys and maybe one other I don't recall right now.

Then there is a series of items for my Intel ethernet adapter beginning with epi or epy plus a couple others. I believe most others have Realtek and wonder if items needed for this are being included which I could exclude.

BTW, I find my keyboard keeps working even after removing all keyboard.* files and all kbd* files save kbdclass.dll in System32.

 

RE: whow, very nice SQ improvement !, posted on December 1, 2011 at 05:10:13
theob
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 Mark nice to see you post. I have to share an experience. The other day I took out one of my hdd's to rip some new music (cant do it anymore via thumbdrive after 1-22 steppes) and while ripping (with hdd out)I listened to some cmp^2 music. All of a sudden the same music I just listened to with all my hdds hooked up sounded way better. In an effort to understand this (and capture it) I concluded that the hdd I took out of the pc was hooked up to an external ps with no/minimal ferrites/caps. So when I replaced the hdd I plugged it into my fully capped/ferrite infested internal ps and sure enough the lower mid/upper bass grunge was way better. I tried a retired granite digital on the hdd...not good. I soldered some silmic caps into the granite ... a lot better but not as good as my baseline Antec fully capped and ferrite infested. Once again ferrites/caps on the powerline shows its excellence. Too bad others have not tried this very effective tweaks.

 

Thanks...perhaps Play-mate, posted on December 1, 2011 at 05:33:21
Bibo01
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 can further help with his Aurora variations...if he is doing the tweaks.

 

it is indeed a pity that power filtering is overlooked by many inmates, posted on December 1, 2011 at 05:59:55
hfavandepas
 Hi Theo,

It is my experience too, that filtering and/or cleaning the power too a cMP and ALL (!) it’s auxiliaries will yield (much) better sound quality.
Not only filtering the power of a switching PSU’s will give better SQ in a cMP setup, but also filtering the output of standard of the shelve linear bench PSU’s, will result in better SQ when using a cMP setup.

Even filtering the power too my tinny 16Gb Kingstone SSD gives a little sound quality improvement.
I filter the power too this little 16 Gb Kingstone SSD with a coupled inductor filter (as I showed in earlier posts) and a ferrite coil with 7 windings behind this coupled inductor filter.
Although the SQ improvement is only very little, I find it worth the trouble.

I think (!) it was TeddyPardo who stressed the importance of filtering VHF and UHF frequencies in power supplies for analog audio systems. Although these frequencies are not even close too the audible analog frequencies, there negative effects can be clearly heard (according too TeddyPardo. If I remember correctly)
I guess in digital audio filtering VHF and UHF is even more important, because all kind of logic and clocks suffer performance we need for audio quality, when they receive DC power, which is contaminated with VHF and UHF.

Unfortunately, ferrites + caps filters can’t filter much lower than 1 mHz. I’m still looking for ways too effectively filter 80 Khz (ATX switching noise) or 300 kHz (pico switching noise).
I looked at using gyrators for this. But understanding/using/implementing gyrator based power line filters, is very complicated for me. As I lack knowledge (not being an EE).

Although ‘(much) ferrites + caps’ or ‘ferrite based chokes + caps’, can only effectively filter from roughly 1 mHz and up, there is still a profound positive effect on sound quality when filtering the power too a cMP setup. (also when applied on linear PSU’s !!) . It is indeed a pity that other inmates make so little use of them or experiment so little with them.

Mark

Edit: Instead of TeddyPardo it also could have been Andy Weekes.
I can't remember. But it was one of those PSU guru's. :-)

 

I must have missed that, posted on December 1, 2011 at 09:55:12
steppe
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 Junaid! You have managed to delete a watchdog.sys with the system working?
I couldn't. It would always go to a black screen on startup and immediate reboot. It must have been with Mihaylov's tweak, but watchdog controls video process on booting. Does it mean that you also managed to delete bootvid.dll?
Serge

 

RE: I must have missed that, posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:09:31
Jolida
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 I'm so sorry. It was a mistake. I just came home & checked. Watchdog.sys is not deleted. I thought I did. Sorry for the confusion..

Junaid

 

Forget it,, posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:32:01
steppe
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 Junaid! There were so many files, no wonder, you could have forgotten.
I am just thinking about bitch bat. This beast is something to be really very carefull with. What if some more registry tweaks would come up? What if somebody would like to reinstall drivers and so on. The beast should be created, but please, don't be in a hurry and give some time for testing. Let others post their propositions of the logical order of this routine.
I will send you my Lynx files on Sunday, if I may.
Serge

 

RE: Inmates! Please, also CHECK THIS!, posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:54:15
Mihaylov
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 No. This is not cool. This is too cool. About as cool as delete cPlay or cMP because these programs use these files in their work. ;)
Previously I had already given screenshots from Process Explorer for cPlay and cMP.

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Forget it,, posted on December 1, 2011 at 10:59:34
Jolida
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 Sure I will. All that has to be done, is to send me the names of files which are present in steppes 1 to 22, Jolida 1& 2, and Mihaylov 1,2 & 3, WITHOUT whom either Juli@, Lynx, Asus & Network would not work..

Junaid

 

RE: Inmates! Please, also CHECK THIS!, posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:01:48
Jolida
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 Lol :)

Junaid

 

RE: Bitch Batch..., posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:05:08
Mihaylov
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 Junaid, wow...wow
I had already given full screenshots of my cMP. Maybe this is enough?

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Bitch Batch..., posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:26:24
Jolida
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 Given your screenshots, it would support Juli@ with Network correct?
It would be helpful if u could collect the list of files u had posted which should not be deleted for Network. It were the ones in the earlier steppes, which u had alerted people not to remove for network functionality.
It would be more appropriate if I could get a proper LIST of files from users of various peripherals & functions, so that the Bitch would look more adorable :)


Junaid

 

RE: Bitch Batch..., posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:43:01
Bibo01
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 It would be appropriate to get a LIST from EMU 1212m users as well.
Thanks

 

RE: Bitch Batch..., posted on December 1, 2011 at 11:53:57
Jolida
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 The list would keep going on & on.. It's best if users of various soundcards make a note of what files are being used by their card by looking in it's Properties under Device Manager & post it here. And another user of the same card confirms it. This way, it would leave no room for errors. I'm sure that even after being careful, the batch would initially end up with issues for some, & will need Updation thereafter. So I would need a sure-shot list of the critical files being used, either by the above method, or by Process explorer. I hope inmates read this post & start preparing the list for their requirement & post it ASAP. Once all information is collected & confirmed, I could start work...

Junaid

 

RE: Bitch Batch Will Be A Bitch, indeed., posted on December 1, 2011 at 14:48:35
Douwe01nl
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 Thanks Riboge, my keyboard is working again! i think you meant to keep the kbdclass.sys file (you described kbdclass.dll)?

Douwe

 

I sent you email., posted on December 1, 2011 at 16:28:48
Mihaylov
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 May be to add the cic's "Chapter 7.3 - Optimising Windows using Registry Editor (regedit)" into batch file?


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Registry , posted on December 1, 2011 at 20:34:12
steppe
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 Hello, Junaid, and everybody! Tell me please, if registry mechanics allows to load and optimize a registry hive from a slave drive, I attach with esata.
ABOUT THE LIST of files not to touch, do you need the list of all the remaining files or only those, that I know are necessary for, say, Lynx, that are: drmk.sys, portcls.sys, ks.sys and wdmaud.drv?
Also, about cics' registry tweaks, aren't they supposed to superceed services and awe and minlogon tweaks? If so, then would it be logical to add them to a bitch bat?
Serge?

 

RE: Registry , posted on December 1, 2011 at 21:44:36
Jolida
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 Registry Mechanic is an automated Registry Cleaner. I have tried attaching my SSD to another computer & then Load the hive of my SSD. Then ran Registry Mechanic on that computer to see if it picks up errors on the Loaded Hive, & Yes it did. It repaired a lot of errors, but when I connected the SSD back into the cMp, all I got was a BSOD.
This shows that automated registry cleaning should not be done by loading hives. Instead must be done on the music computer itself. I will post a method shortly that will help in sustaining the program for later as well.
For Ur second question, Yes those are the file I need. I do not want a screenshot of all the remaining files in Ur system, instead just the ones which Lynx would not work without. I hope other inmates using different soundcards may post their list as well.
For Ur third question, I wanted to make the Bitch batch such that it starts work After cics optimisations already done. Whereas u have told me to include that part as well in the bitch? Is that what Ur saying ?? U want the Bitch to work soon after installing Windows with Cics Optimisations integrated??


Junaid

 

RE: Registry and not only, posted on December 1, 2011 at 22:02:00
steppe
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 I have seen that nLite allows to initially set the display settings to default refresh, but will it remove dllcache folder, No, I don't think that cics optimisations should be integrated. I think some manual labour is still required. Also, nLite allows to disable services from the beginning, but how to install lynx drivers then and or cmp-cplay software? I also disable these services (rather check that they are disabled with msconfig) msconfig is also used by me to remove fonts, to remove lynx mixer from loading on startup, as I don't need it with cplay and that is one service less. Really, while I was serching for new registry-memory tweaks all of you have gone ahead. I will start rebuilding today from scartch, but will also try to create my nLte iso myself, just for practice. My first experience was a 86 mb iso, but it failed.
Also, using mmc you can disable ip security. I have posted refferences to it, noone reacts.
And there is a very interesting thing to do - disable periodic checking if the network is present!!!
One more thing to consider is the mouse - ps/2 or usb support and keyboard support or removal. On what stage? I am still at a loss. Slow cpu inside my head...
Summing up, I think that the Bitch Bat should still allow for manual tweaking, starting with at least some cics recommendations.
Serge

 

RE: Registry and not only, posted on December 1, 2011 at 22:19:03
Jolida
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 I have made many iso images for my nLite install. But I am confused at a particular stage. Though the install is successful & working, my Dpc Latency has shot up. In my previous regular builds, it was 10uS. With nLite installs, it's shot up to 50 to 60. Something needs to be checked. It's quite easy to integrate Ur soundcard drivers in an nLite iso. Select "Drivers" as well in the Main screen, & keep the inf file for Ur Lynx ready, & point to it when the screen for integrating drivers shows up...
Do check Ur latency after installing with nLite. And use the computer type as Acpi Multiprocessor Pc...

Junaid

 

RE: Registry and not only, posted on December 1, 2011 at 22:25:52
steppe
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 Good reminder about acpi - I left it to automatic. As for drivers - they are on a cd and then I upgrade them with v2setup32.exe downloaded from their site. Do I need to have the inf from the cd on a hdd?

 

RE: Registry and not only, posted on December 1, 2011 at 23:14:33
Jolida
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 nLite will integrate Drivers based on the inf file u provide for the device. The exe files will be taken only if their inf is present. The easiest way is to download Ur Lynx drivers & keep them in a folder. The folder will also contain an inf along with the exe files needed by Ur card. When the Driver integrating page pops up, just point to the inf file in the folder & all the necessary files will be slipstreamed automatically...

Junaid

 

Weird BSOD, posted on December 1, 2011 at 23:59:22
Dawnrazor
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 2nd cmp2 box has been doing well. I have only done steppes 1st and 2nd steps.

So I boot up and get a bsod. It had a bunch of zeros. Then I reboot and same thing. No time to mess but the 2nd bsod had the following:

0x0000007e (0xc0000005, 0x805cac46, 0xF897666c, 0xF8976368)

Looked on line an no real info.

Here is what fixed it and if anyone can shed some light I would be grateful: I went into the bios and changed the speed setting of the cpu from 1.6 to 990mhz since that was the only thing that had changed. It booted right up and has done so 2wice now.

Never had a bsod that was fixed by underclocking. Was this just a coincidence or does deleting some of the files outlined in steppe's steps cause this???

Cut to razor sounding violins

 

RE: Weird BSOD, posted on December 2, 2011 at 00:28:10
steppe
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 It shouldn't happen. In none of my tweaks and after none of them, a blue screen should appear. I can only think of one thing: if you were removing files not from your cmp hdd directly, but from another windows and DELETED the windows pcm codec? It's a sticky one with *.acm extension that won't let itself be deleted on the early stages. Otherwise, I really can't think of anything. Especially that early. What is your boot.ini "legend" by the way? Have you done /CLKLVL? Remove it.
Serge.

 

one more question, posted on December 2, 2011 at 00:37:08
steppe
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 Junaid, is the nLite.iso, that you have created, you know the one I mean, is set for unattended setup. And, if yes, will it format/quickformat the drive?
Serge.

 

RE: one more question, posted on December 2, 2011 at 00:58:43
Jolida
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 No. It has to be manually done. I have integrated the serial key though. I guess we still need to work on nLite a bit. The latencies cause worry.
By the way, do u have a Skype ID ??

Junaid

 

Another brick in the wall..., posted on December 2, 2011 at 01:18:41
Jolida
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 As most of the files have been removed, & Registry Mods still keep coming up, its quite necessary that the mods be done in their Primitive way instead of Loading hives via browsing to the Config folder. One example is while doing Steppe's Watchdog tweak in the Registry. If done from another pc by Loading the Hive, only the Control set 001,002,003, or likewise would be available. But it needs to be done at the 'Current Control Set', which would show up only on the Music computer. So its better to do it from the cMp itself. But here arises another problem of Regedit being deleted already. So all that needs to be done is to restore back the few files that Regedit needs to work, make the changes in the Registry, & if needed, delete those files back again. The files required for Regedit to work are :-

C:\WINDOWS\AppPatch\acgenral.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\aclui.dll *
C:\WINDOWS\system32\advapi32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\authz.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\clb.dll *
C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9\comctl32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\comdlg32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\gdi32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\kernel32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\msacm32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\msvcrt.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ole32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\oleaut32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\regedit.exe *
C:\WINDOWS\system32\rpcrt4.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\shell32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\shimeng.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\shlwapi.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ulib.dll *
C:\WINDOWS\system32\user32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\userenv.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\uxtheme.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\version.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winmm.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctype.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\locale.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\sortkey.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\sorttbls.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\unicode.nls

Only a few of the above (marked with a *) had been removed with the steppes, so they need to be temporarily restored. If u plan to delete them back after tweaking the registry, then just write down the names of those u had restored.
Also i am enclosing a few other important sets of files needed for the working of other essential tasks like :-

Notepad:-

C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9\comctl32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winspool.drv
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winmm.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\version.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\uxtheme.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\userenv.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\user32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\unicode.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\sorttbls.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\sortkey.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\shlwapi.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\shimeng.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\shell32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\rpcrt4.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\oleaut32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ole32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\notepad.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\msvcrt.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\msacm32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\locale.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\kernel32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\gdi32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctype.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\comdlg32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\advapi32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\AppPatch\acgenral.dll


Process Explorer :-

D:\ProcessExplorer\procexp.exe
C:\WINDOWS\WinSxS\x86_Microsoft.Windows.Common-Controls_6595b64144ccf1df_6.0.2600.2180_x-ww_a84f1ff9\comctl32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\Temp\Perflib_Perfdata_2bc.dat
C:\WINDOWS\system32\xpsp2res.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wtsapi32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ws2help.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ws2_32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wldap32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wintrust.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winsta.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wininet.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wbem\wbemprox.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wbem\wbemcomn.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\version.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\uxtheme.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\userenv.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\user32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\unicode.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\sorttbls.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\sortkey.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\shlwapi.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\shgina.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\shell32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\shdocvw.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\setupapi.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\secur32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\samlib.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\rpcrt4.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\riched32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\riched20.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\psapi.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\powrprof.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\oleaut32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ole32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\odbcint.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\odbc32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntshrui.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntlanman.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntdll.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\netui1.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\netui0.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\netrap.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\netapi32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\msvcrt.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\msgina.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\msasn1.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\mpr.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\locale.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\linkinfo.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\kernel32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\iphlpapi.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\imagehlp.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\gdi32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\dbghelp.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctype.nls
C:\WINDOWS\system32\cscui.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\cscdll.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\cryptui.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\crypt32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\credui.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\comres.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\comdlg32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\clbcatq.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\browseui.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\atl.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\apphelp.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\advapi32.dll
C:\WINDOWS\system32\aclui.dll
C:\WINDOWS\Registration\R000000000014.clb


Another very important task, that will be of use throughout our Modification route, is Registry mechanic. I will post a list of files needed for it to work...

Junaid

 

RE: one more question, posted on December 2, 2011 at 01:27:27
steppe
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 Junaid! I am so outdated in all things network, that I only know what skype is. No, I don't have one and no camera, sorry.
Serge.

 

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