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cPlay - the open source high-end audio player using ASIO

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Posted on May 5, 2008 at 12:31:58
cics
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cPlay

The open source high-end audio player using ASIO

May 2008

cPlay delivers high quality audio playback using ASIO 2. Playback is achieved using any ASIO compatible soundcard. cPlay is a minimalist audio player using the latest high quality SRC resampler (Best Sinc SNR 145.68db or 121.33db) or SoX (VHQ or HQ). cPlay's design offers state-of-the-art ASIO-only playback and caters for touch screen users. Installation, setup and use is easy. cPlay is built in c/c++ and operates on Windows XP SP2 Professional (32 bit).

FEATURES

  1. Resampling is sourced from LibSampleRate (version 0.1.5) and SoX 14.2.0 under GNU GPL license. LibSampleRate is aka SRC (Secret Rabbit Code) and supersedes the version as used in foobar2000. Best Sinc converter now offers a SNR of 145.68db or 121.33db (versus 97db). SoX VHQ offers better than 170db SNR. Resampling is bypassed when input rate matches output.

  2. Supports Steinberg's excellent ASIO 2 and is backward compatible to prior ASIO versions (as required by ASIO drivers).

  3. Offers high quality 64 bit double precision digital volume control (in 0.5db steps). This can be bypassed.

  4. Playback is achieved through .cue, .wav or .flac files. cPlay loads entire .wav or .flac (decoded) into RAM before starting. Playback is done directly from cPlay's internal buffer. Cue playback requires .cue files as created by EAC (single or multi file standard).

  5. Ensures efficient CPU resource utilization allowing for low specification processors or high levels of upsampling. This means CPUs can be underclocked / undervolted.

  6. Supports up to 3 ASIO soundcards with each having up to 100 output channels.

  7. Advanced optimizations are applied (if available from ASIO driver) during playback.

  8. Best results achieved when using cMP (i.e. cMP²). This allows for low level Windows optimizations. Use cMP release 1.0 final or later as this allows for bypassing RAM load in cMP (set RAM Load in cMP Settings to No) otherwise wav file is RAM loaded twice. cPlay allows for both svchost and lsass to be suspended during playback thus reducing the Windows footprint. Only exception is EMU's ASIO driver which requires both (svchost and lsass) to be operational. Set cMP's Optimize setting to Critical.

  9. Full remote control is achieved with cMP: offering volume control, track navigation, next/previous and stop/eject via (wireless) mouse.

USER MANUAL

Visit cMP² website (http://www.cicsMemoryPlayer.com) for more details and setup.

Screen Shot




GETTING STARTED

Download cPlay's installer here (1.3MB). Installation and startup is straight forward.

If you don't have an ASIO compatible soundcard, use ASIO4ALL. Note that ASIO4ALL does not support channel mapping (use default) and rarely handles above 48k sample rate.

Your feedback will help guide cPlay's future development. Source code (4.1MB) is available via email.

 

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My Tweak 3, posted on November 12, 2011 at 18:15:29
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 It is necessary to remove following folders:
disdn
system (with the file winspool.drv)
x86_Microsoft.Windows.GdiPlus_6595b64144ccf1df_1.0.2600.2180_x-ww_522f9f82
x86_policy.1.0.Microsoft.Windows.GdiPlus_6595b64144ccf1df_x-ww_4e8510ac
x86_policy.5.2.Microsoft.Windows.Networking.Dxmrtp_6595b64144ccf1df_x-ww_362e60dd
x86_policy.5.2.Microsoft.Windows.Networking.Rtcdll_6595b64144ccf1df_x-ww_c7b7206f

...and following files:
ansi.sys
default.LOG
default.sav
Egosys.ico
logoff.exe
pciidex.sys (only from the folder system32!)
ping6.exe
qprocess.exe
qwinsta.exe
regini.exe
rwinsta.exe
SAM.LOG
SECURITY.LOG
software.LOG
software.sav
system.LOG
system.sav
TempKey.LOG
tscon.exe
tsdiscon.exe
tsshutdn.exe
userdiff
userdiff.LOG
usrlogon.cmd
winspool.exe
x86_Microsoft.Windows.GdiPlus_6595b64144ccf1df_1.0.2600.2180_x-ww_522f9f82.cat
x86_Microsoft.Windows.GdiPlus_6595b64144ccf1df_1.0.2600.2180_x-ww_522f9f82.Manifest

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

Oops, posted on November 13, 2011 at 05:27:40
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 Tried these deletions ...mostly config stuff plus pcidex...and it wouldn't boot. I restored all the files and it still would not boot. Back to a prior level via Snapshot.

 

RE: New Tweaks Part 22 (the flick of a mermaid's tail), posted on November 13, 2011 at 07:00:00
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 Tried nopae. Initially liked it...bass, dynamics better, darker overall sonics. Tired of it eventually and went back. But it is closer versus last time. I can see that nopae may be system dependent. Probably worth a try.

 

Some screenshots, posted on November 13, 2011 at 09:27:56
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 Here:
















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http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Some screenshots, posted on November 13, 2011 at 10:10:51
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 Many thanks for that. Not that it matters in the scheme of things but IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, Config.SYS and Autoexec.bat can safely be deleted from C:\.

 

RE: Some screenshots, posted on November 13, 2011 at 11:02:19
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 Thank you. I'll try.

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Oops, posted on November 13, 2011 at 11:12:33
Mihaylov
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 Theo, I do not know what to say. It is strange. I have the feeling that we have different OS :).

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

I agree differing systems probably, posted on November 13, 2011 at 12:32:47
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 But no problem I can always go back to a prior snapshot level

 

RE: My Tweak 3, posted on November 13, 2011 at 12:49:00
theob
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 That is the only conclusion I can think of too (i.e., different xp systems). Not a problem though I always have my prior snapshot level to go back to.

 

No changes allowed within cPLAY when you delete ..., posted on November 13, 2011 at 16:39:01
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 the registry .log and .sav files are deleted.

I was playing around with the two up-samplers; had been trying SOX and had tried to return to SRC and something went wrong: like and on and off sound and impossible to get out. Had to restart; even required resetting BIOS. All was fine after that but I guess to use another one these files must be returned.

I found that one cannot delete WINSPPOL.EXE - the rest were alredy deleted and with the exception of the problem described - no other problems.

I have deleted SXS entirely - a few weeks ago with no ill effects.

Deleted the folders RYELANDS mentioned. All went fine.

Wonder how many of the empty DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS folders can be deleted? Most of them are empty. Will try later this week.

I tried deleting pcidex.sys with no success.

Forgot, too, that without setup.api JULI@ drivers do not load.

Meant to say vga.sys on my previous post; haven't tried yet to remove.

Current WINDOWS size: 41.7 mB with the registry files deleted.

 

RE: My Tweak 3, posted on November 13, 2011 at 17:38:41
theob
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 Rick you said:

'....I tried deleting pcidex.sys with no success.

Forgot, too, that without setup.api JULI@ drivers do not load.

Meant to say vga.sys on my previous post; haven't tried yet to remove...'

Yea I tried pcidex with no luck also. Yes you need setupapi and vga.sys

You deleted the whole config folder? I'm at 47 mb if I delete my config folder which is 16mb I'll be at 31 mb??

Could you use different sample rates when you deleted config?

 

Excuse me for inaccuracy, posted on November 13, 2011 at 17:45:19
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 The file pciidex.sys needs to be removed only from the folder system32.

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: No changes allowed within cPLAY when you delete ..., posted on November 13, 2011 at 18:05:14
Mihaylov
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 - I checked. The files *.log and *sav removed from the folder config do not influence the settings of cPlay - all works fine.
- The remained content of the folder WinSxS is necessary for remote access to cMP2.
- The drivers ASIO of Juli are not defined in cPlay without the file R000000000007.clb therefore do not delete this file!

Rick, what size of the folder config in your OS?


Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

Some more files, posted on November 13, 2011 at 18:48:50
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 which can be removed:

AUTOEXEC.BAT
CONFIG.SYS
IO.SYS
MSDOS.SYS
(thanks to Dave)
R000000000001.clb

If to convert file system of the disk C from NTFS into FAT32 (by means of Acronis) that folder System Volume Information can be removed without restoration at system reboot. (In this case ntfs.sys in the folder Drivers it will be necessary to replace with fastfat.sys).






- How to remove folders СatRoot and CatRoot2 that they were not rebuilt after system reboot?
- How to reduce the registry size?



Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

I hope I did not say I deleted the config folder, posted on November 13, 2011 at 18:49:47
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 no way you would every start with that done!

I hope I said I deleted the SXS folder so all of those deletes with the long names will be long gone (no need to delete when they're gone).

You cannot play with cPLAY if you delete the .log and whatever the other one's name is within config. You have to leave the main ones. There is that one section in DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS, too.

I wonder if all of those most be returned. Maybe only SOFTWARE. I will try tomorrow and see how far one must go.

 

I do not think I deleted registration, posted on November 13, 2011 at 19:00:34
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 but I very well may have.

Thanks for the correction. I will try restoring that first. Tomorrow.

Don't have access to the drive but I believe I remember correctly that without the superfluous registry files I was at 41.7 nB. No more than that.

I figured you had your reasons for retaining SXS due to your network stuff.

Though I thought the other Serge had said you recommended deleting it entirely. I do not remember you saying this directly. I tried it and have had no problems. It is staying out.

I guess your network arrangement allows you to delete WINSPOOL.EXE. My machine would not allow it!.

I do think I am down to the minimum. Other that deleting empty folders and some kind of massive registry deletion (!!!) I think I am as low as I can go.

Does seem there is lots of registry that could be deleted. Much tricker than files deletion.

Wish I could use AUTORUNS. Don't feel like re-installing all of those necessary folders.

 

RE: My Tweak 3, posted on November 14, 2011 at 04:00:56
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 With respect to config....I confused config folder within system32 with config.sys which is a file within windows root. Ok I have that clarified now. But I agree with Rick I believe it was Steppe #22 that said to delete all folders within Windows to leave only system, system32 and fonts. Hence Registration was deleted and it works fine for me but Mihaylov says its needed because ... drivers ASIO of Juli are not defined in cPlay without the file R000000000007.clb (which is in Registration).

We may be at the end of the deletion party and I am convinced of the small variations of XP that seem to be the cause of these inconsistencies of what can/cannot be eliminated.

 

RE: My Tweak 3, posted on November 14, 2011 at 06:06:37
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 I am convinced of the small variations of XP that seem to be the cause of these inconsistencies

Different XP releases, SP levels, mobo drivers, BIOS firmware, soundcard drivers, configurations (e.g. headless v KVM). On my two Atom mobos, many settings that work fine on one do not work at all on the other.

For example, my Fit-PC does not boot if /nopae is present in boot.ini or /fastdetect is set to always off. There are ten or more LAN-related devices I can turn off in DevMgr on my Intel mobo that I cannot turn off on my Fit-PC although the two boards use the same LAN driver.

I suspect it also depends on how many devices one has disabled in DevMgr (cics' list being by no means exhaustive). For example, he rapped me across the knuckles for advocating switching off DMA but I am convinced my systems sound better for it. They're certainly no worse - my guess is that the chipset drivers handle DMA and that the disabled XP device is a default.

In short, the various sets of instructions, batch files and the like are a welcome guide - many thanks to the various authors - but they are not a panacea. They get one most of the way there and there's nothing wrong with that. The rest of it is subject to test with way too many variables for a prescription.

 

Be sure to look at the cMP Fourm - jackwong96 is back ..., posted on November 14, 2011 at 11:14:33
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 and showing us the way for what to do after file deletions and registry changes.

Far more dangerous and no opportunity of going back but this is the next step.

He is the ONE when it comes to these modifications.

After hearing what is possible with file deletions I am ready to give this a try. We are lucky to have him as a guide.

In fact we are a lucky group to have the input from very talented tinkerers. Beyond the realm of amateurs, the tinkerer seeks to improve something just because he HAS to. He is driven by a personal quest for knowledge and insight into how things work and how to make the object of interest better. We are lucky to have these people share their discoveries with us. I know I am not alone in being very grateful.

 

RE: No changes allowed within cPLAY when you delete ..., posted on November 14, 2011 at 11:19:42
Jolida
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 - The drivers ASIO of Juli are not defined in cPlay without the file R000000000007.clb therefore do not delete this file!-

Strange. I have deleted all Registration entries without having issues with cPlay or cMp..
After steppe 22, the sound is Awesome. I don't feel I need to go ahead with anything else. Feels like cMp optimisations are finally complete. The Most critical files influencing the sound along this delete route seemed to be the ones in the Win_SxS folder. Technically the contents of this folder may not have anything to do with the Audio section of a computer, but in Practice, it did...
If one is experiencing a forward or thin sound, it's advisable to experiment with what goes into or out of Win_SxS..

Junaid

 

Registry notes - more stuff you can delete, posted on November 14, 2011 at 18:00:11
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 I have found the registry stuff in DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS can be deleted.

In my machine they were in the NETWORK SERVICES folder.

I have also found the .log files come back so it is not worth deleting them.

 

I'm no Jack Wong, sorry!, posted on November 14, 2011 at 19:34:54
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 Yah, it's great to see him back! I wish he'd post more.

In the meantime, while I am no Jack Wong (to paraphrase Lloyd Benson), I've posted the first set of results from my latest Extreme Juli@ mods over in this thread:





Greg in Mississippi



Everything matters!

 

Maybe not such a good idea, posted on November 14, 2011 at 21:53:48
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 I find I can run AUTORUNS from a host computer with those still in place.

Would this mean without these files AUTORUNS settings are no longer in effect? My guess is yes.

It will work without them, but ...

 

Registry optimizer anyone?, posted on November 15, 2011 at 02:01:21
kclo
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 With all those file, DLL, Registry entry deletions, it suddenly dawned on me that I could do with some Registry cleanup/optimization. After doing just that with CClearner I found the end result quite worthwhile (a denser soundscape is one of the attributes). I wonder if anyone has the same experience? I am at steppe 4 + jolida 2.

KC

 

RE: Please clarify, posted on November 15, 2011 at 05:44:29
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 Hello! I wrote remove the *.nls files, mentioned and discovered by Serge Mihaylov. So the only file not to be touched from His List is 1252.
For reference use my screenshots, please.
Also, make sure you checked the list of my screen fonts. They differ from his (Russian) version.

 

Well, another not so good idea, posted on November 15, 2011 at 09:56:17
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 AUTORUNS led me to think I was modifying the music computer's registry but the stuff I deleted came out of my regular machine.

Hope WINDOWS repair works.

Excitement can lead to disaster!

 

Have you deleted the superfuous registry files yet?, posted on November 15, 2011 at 11:17:23
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 And if so, can you still go back and forth between the upsamplers?

I am not sure if you use them at all.

I had not deleted the REGISTRATION file, which does not contain the file that has been mentioned as necessary for cMP, I do not think my machine ever continued the file ending with "7".

I have not tried going back to my last image and seeing if I can change the up-sampler. I do think I had made the change (from SRC to SOX) after that image had been made.

Just curious ...

Junaid, are you ready to remove components from your MB?

 

a strange phenomenon. Help needed, posted on November 16, 2011 at 10:02:37
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 My cMP2 is actually settled with a complete bold fortune + step 1-16 (jolida batch) + jolida 1-2 + mihaylov 2-3 (jolida batch) + some adjustements for my sound card and my system and some manual deletions.
SQ is very good, my windows folder is about 100 mb and i think it's a good result but I've noted that if I keep stopped (no playing music)my system for 1 or 2 minutes, my PC freeze itself and I need to switch off it from the master switch of PC. I don't know which deletion made is responsible of it.
Can someone help me? Thx in advance!

 

RE: a strange phenomenon. Help needed, posted on November 16, 2011 at 10:11:43
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 I have done steppe's 1-22 and have no problem as you are describing. What was last level you had where this problem did not occur? Reload if you have an image to verify no freeze. Then proceed with additional steps (already taken previously) until you rediscover freeze. When you get the freeze again it will at least isolate a group of files that are suspect.

 

The file 1252 was not in my list for removal!, posted on November 16, 2011 at 17:49:24
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 ;)

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Registry optimizer anyone?, posted on November 16, 2011 at 17:54:23
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 KC,

Very interesting. Does the utility produce a report of what it found and what it did? If so, can you post that... I'd be very interested in seeing it's impact. I'm especially interested in knowing if it removed the registry entries associated with some of the files removed.

TIA!!!

Greg in Mississippi <---Also at Steppe 4 / Jolida 2
Everything matters!

 

RE: Registry optimizer anyone?, posted on November 16, 2011 at 19:49:09
kclo
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 Hi Greg,

In the case of CCleaner, it first does an analysis of your Registry, produce a report (in my case, it had hundreds of entries, and I didn't print it out). Then it would ask if you want to do a backup of the Registry, and then goes ahead to do the work.

No, I did not look deeply into the CCleaner report, (I should have for the sake of science.) With my partition backup and the CCleaner Registry backup, I figured I could always go back if something went wrong or if I don't like the result. Well I do like the result. The sound is now very analog without lost of detail.

Next step I might try a 'deeper' optimizer. CCleaner is considered to be a medium one.

KC

 

RE: a strange phenomenon. Help needed, posted on November 16, 2011 at 22:29:42
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 Check to see if it's not hardware related. I am past steppe 23 with no issues, using the same batch files. I suspect the mouse..

Junaid

 

RE: a strange phenomenon. Help needed, posted on November 17, 2011 at 05:41:27
audiodan@tiscali.it
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 THX for your response to my question.
Freezering concerns only cPlay, mouse ( a wifi wireless model) continue to move on the screen butit is inactive. Now I'll retry step by step to searching for the exact step where freezing appears.
Have you made a mix of steppe' steps with mihaylov' or not?
Now I'll try steppe only without bold fortune ( very effective but poor controllable from an informatic inexpert like me).
Daniele

 

RE: a strange phenomenon. Help needed, posted on November 17, 2011 at 05:47:12
Mihaylov
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 Junaid, what is steppe 23? I know steppe 22.

Serge.
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My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: a strange phenomenon. Help needed, posted on November 17, 2011 at 06:00:35
Jolida
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 Lol. Sorry, that was a typo. I meant steppe 22 :)

Junaid

 

RE: a strange phenomenon. Help needed, posted on November 17, 2011 at 06:03:42
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 While doing Bold Fortune, u need to be careful in it, as one batch file will remove the system folder. So watch out for that. I had to edit his batch in that section, so as to retain the above...

Junaid

 

RE: a strange phenomenon. Help needed, posted on November 17, 2011 at 06:10:33
Jolida
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 And Yes, I have tried a mix of Steppes with Mihaylov's. In fact my batch files are arranged in alphabetical order in the folder, so when I need to start the process from scratch, I get my 2 lists first, then Mihaylov's 3 lists & then the 16 steppes...

Junaid

 

RE: a strange phenomenon. Help needed, posted on November 17, 2011 at 20:09:35
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 I also do not have this problem. I run Steppe 1-16, Jolida 4.5, Bold Fortune through step 9 and Mihaylov 1,2 & 3. I do no touch winsxs folder as I think it destroys the sound. I use autoruns to delete reg entries with missing files. I think that helps stability.
i run only cmp.
Sound is wonderful.

I do get a lock up as you describe when I shut down. always need manual power off.

I would check your asio drivers. just a hunch

 

RE: a strange phenomenon. Help needed, posted on November 18, 2011 at 01:17:20
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 The Win_SxS contents shift the tonal balance. Though the reason for this cannot be technically explained, because some may disagree that it has anything to do with the above. But it sure does. Especially in the Bass & Body of the instruments. As I have mentioned earlier, quite a number of times, it all depends on how a system is set-up, such that one deletion may benefit one, & does quite the opposite to the other. I have always been careful with Just this one folder. It's best to be touched at the End for fine-tuning if necessary....

Junaid

 

Registry Optimization act II, posted on November 18, 2011 at 03:26:02
kclo
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 Encouraged by the improvement after applying CCleaner's Registry cleaning, I want to try further optimization with optimizers that can dig deeper. And I tried 2:

1. Advanced SystemCare. This utility picked up 1300+ error entries mainly related to ActiveX.
2. Free Registry Cleaner which picked up 360+ errors mainly related to deleted/non-existing Netscape and Microsoft DDLs

The overall effect is improved transparency and detail. Recommended.

A side note: After step 1 above, when I rebooted the system into cMP, a blue screen appeared. I thought I went too far and may be I need to do a partition restore. But it turned out it was not the BSOD, but XP decided to go into Registry defragmentation after a much reduced Registry. After taking a few minutes to defrag the Registry, everything is back to normal.

KC

 

The STEPPE BIOS settings are critical, posted on November 18, 2011 at 08:24:41
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 I wonder how many are utilizing these?

If you have not you do not know what is possible with cMP.

Serge is not exaggerating when he says once the EXTREME settings are put into place that 24 hours are needed for the full effect. Not just the first time you do this but EVERY time.

One good thing about that is that it keeps you from making changes and encourages you to just enjoy the sound.

When this setting is first heard it is not ugly but it bears no resemblance to what you will hear the next night. It might even improve further after another day.

The spaciousness is simply astounding. Some records I love but have always dismissed as, at best, average recordings reveal themselves to have more to them than I would have ever believed. I figure what sounded like a confused mess turns out to be puzzle that had yet to be solved by my playback gear.

Of course, the good recordings sound good. Less than great recordings can tell you much about your system. I am not speaking of terrible recordings with ridiculous tonal balance but records that sounded too dense for their own good. Mainly pop/rock records with too much Phil Spector influence.

Since I am stuck in SOX (until I replace what is needed to change back to SRC) I have found it to sound good. I had used it before and thought it aggressive. Maybe now is a good time to re-appraise if you are using the upsamplers.

How many are using the extreme BIOS settings?

 

RE: Registry Optimization act II, posted on November 18, 2011 at 10:16:25
Mihaylov
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 Tell me please what is the size of the folder Config in the System32 folder in your system now.

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

Serge, any chance that these can be used ..., posted on November 18, 2011 at 13:50:58
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 with the music computer SSD attached to a host machine?

Have you tried using these?

Sounds like a great idea, just can't use it on my cMP machine.

 

kclo's regsitry cleaning idea - how to get back to a configuration, posted on November 18, 2011 at 14:19:30
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 that will allow running such a thing?

Has anyone mastered this?

I am assuming explorer, regedit, and reg - but I am sure there is more.

And the question remains - will resoring files be enough or have we passed the point of no return?

Anyone's experience would be appreciated.

 

RE: Serge, any chance that these can be used ..., posted on November 18, 2011 at 14:34:01
Mihaylov
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 Excuse me please but I did not get you Rick.


Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Registry Optimization act II, posted on November 18, 2011 at 15:51:24
kclo
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 Hi Serge,

The size is 48MB. Pls note that I am at steppe 4+ jolida 1 & 2

KC

 

RE: The STEPPE BIOS settings are critical, posted on November 18, 2011 at 16:07:45
kclo
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 Rick,

Though I am not an EXTREME user (at steppe 4 +jolida 2) I agree with you totally on the effect of a good source on 'terrible' recordings.

When I first got my LP version of George Harrison's "All Things Must Pass" (a Phil Spector recording), in my twenties, I played it a coup[e of times and totally shelved it. No way I could tolerate that mess. Only now with the remastered CD, played in a later version of cPlay can I appreciate the greatness of the Spector production. This is now the only post Beatles record that I play regularly.

KC

 

RE: Registry Optimization act II, posted on November 18, 2011 at 16:30:58
Mihaylov
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 Hi Rick! Thanks. It's strange because the size of Config folder in my "classic" (before steps) cMP2 OS is 15.5 MB, after Steppe 16 is 15.2 MB, after My Tweak is 15.1 MB.

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Registry Optimization act II, posted on November 18, 2011 at 16:55:16
kclo
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 I don't know. May be because of the different XPs? My cMP is running on a Home Edition. I just checked my other XP system, a Professional, the config folder is at 121MB.

KC

 

G. Harrison was a good man, posted on November 19, 2011 at 07:04:35
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 I must admit I am not much of a fan of his music, not saying I dislike it in any way, just not fanatical. But I always liked him as a human being. He was an interesting mix; spiritual and level-headed all at once.

In the ANTHOLOGY series interviews you cannot help but love the man.

I agree most of the post-Beatles stuff is disappointing. I still listen to PLASTIC ONO BAND and have a soft spot for MEMORY ALMOST FULL, which I think is the most interesting of P. McCartney's solo work. That it came so late is amazing. Pure pop, pure Paul but somehow not as cloying as most of the other stuff. Has some exquisite moments and plenty of embarrassing ones also!

 

Sonicweld Diverter, posted on November 19, 2011 at 07:28:13
Olive Empithrie
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 Trying to use the Sonicweld Diverter HR (SWD) with cPlay. After uninstalling ASIO4ALL and then installing the SWD driver, cPlay won't run. It says:

"No valid ASIO drivers found!
Player requires at least one ASIO driver to be installed.
If an ASIO driver was installed, its not operational - make sure soundcard is enabled (in hardware device manager)."

The SWD's creator says he can successfully use the Diverter’s ASIO interface with any other player software except cPlay so thinks something is different about cPlay and the way it queries the system for an ASIO driver.

With the SWD being the best USB to SPDIF converter and cPlay the best-sounding Windows software, it would be nice to listen to the combo. Anyone have any advice about the above error message?



 

RE: Sonicweld Diverter, posted on November 19, 2011 at 08:15:30
Ryelands
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 Anyone have any advice about the above error message?

I'm pretty sure that cPlay only works with 32-bit ASIO drivers. If your driver is 24-bit only (as the product's web site seems to suggest), it may well not work.

If I'm right, a short-term fix at least is to use Foobar. I don't find it quite as good as cPlay but others do - it's certainly not a night-and-day difference in a cMP^2 setup.

Edit the the line in:-
C:\Program Files\cics Memory Player\cicsMemoryPlayer.pth that starts CUE_PLAYER so it points to foobar.exe.

I've no idea whether it's a big thing to modify the drivers to overcome the anomaly.

HTH

Dave



 

Has anyone checked services with steppes mods, posted on November 20, 2011 at 00:08:12
Dawnrazor
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 I am only at steppe 2 or 3 but I think something I deleted is needed for Taskkill.

I might not have looked before but now I have the task manager running and I have the lsaa and svchost services set to be killed in cmp.

But when I play music lsaa and svchost still show when playing music. I have it in my head that these used to be disabled by cmp when playing music. IIRC it was a wash in that task kill and cplay showed up and lsaa and svchost disappeared.

Anyhow am I remembering right, and has anyone who has done the more advanced steps looked in the task manager to see if the services are being disabled??

Cut to razor sounding violins

 

RE: Sonicweld Diverter, posted on November 20, 2011 at 04:57:16
Olive Empithrie
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 Thank you for the advice Dave, yes that was a big help. Foobar does indeed work on its own as a player. In my case though, Foobar hangs up when called from cMP; actually, the only player that doesn't freeze when using cMP on my machine -- which is fully tweaked as per the web site (but without the recent series of file deletions) -- is cPlay...

Many thanks again.

 

RE: Has anyone checked services with steppes mods, posted on November 20, 2011 at 21:12:05
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 Lsass & svchost will certainly show up in the Task manager, even if u have set them to be disabled in the cMp settings. A total of 11 processes including Task Manager is what u need to look for when cMp is loaded...

Junaid

 

RE: Has anyone checked services with steppes mods, posted on November 21, 2011 at 03:12:43
Ryelands
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 Lsass & svchost will certainly show up in the Task manager, even if u have set them to be disabled in the cMp settings.

IIRC, Task Manager itself launches svchost and possibly lsass. If Task Manager is disabled, the two processes are indeed suspended when cPlay is launched. But the only way to check that is to invoke Task Manager which . . .

 

RE: Has anyone checked services with steppes mods, posted on November 21, 2011 at 03:23:39
Jolida
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 Exactly..

Junaid

 

The cMP Uncertainty Principle! (nt), posted on November 21, 2011 at 04:56:06
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 .

 

Most of the SERVICES are made moot by file deletions, posted on November 21, 2011 at 08:30:14
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 Once you get to the minimum there is nothing to check. They are gone other than the obvious svchost and lsaas.

 

The modular approach to registry , posted on November 21, 2011 at 08:40:50
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 Coming to the realization that I was not going to be able to use the various registry cleaners or AUTORUNS I decided to try something else.

I made a nLite install disk as miminum as I dared that would still allow AWE, JULI@, and all of the stuff that matters. I used another SSD to install this, did the optimizations, installed JULI@ and cMP stuff, chipset drivers. All of the STEPPE registry modifications. Everything that I had done with my main installation. Make sure you leave in cMP mode before making the registry swap. Nothing bad happens, just nothing. I forgot to do this my first attempt and you just get a blank screen.

When done the registry of this version was half the size of the registry on my MUSIC SSD.

I then replaced the registry of my MUSIC SSD with this registry and it workds. My WINDOWS size is now 36 mB.

I did not get a proper chance to audition since I know that without STEPPE Extreme BIOS implemented there is no reason to get in a hurry to assess sound quality.

Tonight I will get more of a chance to see if this is worth it.

Of course, one cannot leave well enough alone so I will try even more minimal nLite installs and see of I can get it smaller, and hopefully sounding better

 

RE: The modular approach to registry , posted on November 21, 2011 at 08:45:27
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 Did you at least see if it boots/plays cplay?

 

If it did not work I would not have posted!!!, posted on November 21, 2011 at 10:09:07
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 I did not listen for long since the sound one gets with the extreme bios settings (and that is what I was listening to before I made the change) are so important that a comparison could not be made.

SO, it works just fine. The questions is if it is better and that I will get a chance to ponder this evening.

Maybe I made the post confusing by reminding those interested to be sure the registry you transfer has it start in cMP mode. If it is left in XP mode it will not work since that is part of what cMP does - it changes the registry.

 

RE: The modular approach to registry , posted on November 21, 2011 at 13:01:28
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 =My WINDOWS size is now 36 mB.=
and what is size of registry (Config folder)?

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: The modular approach to registry , posted on November 21, 2011 at 13:03:47
kclo
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 Hi Rick,

Did you do the steppe files/ddl deletions before or after the Registry optimization?

It seems to me that you did the Registry optimization before the steppes deletions, and shouldn't it come after to be more effective?

KC

 

This was an experiment (answers to questions), posted on November 21, 2011 at 14:05:32
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 I thought I made it clear but I guess I did not.

The "registry" build -
approx 1/4 size WINDOWS install disk using nLite (I think this can be made smaller and will try smaller)
There is not much of the cMP optimizations to be done with this install but the ones of importance were done - no paging file - all of the SYSTEM/ADVANCED stuff. I did not turn off services because I knew the corresponding files had been deleted from the cMP Build and I do not think these setting through COMPUTER MANAGEMENT affect the registry.
All STEPPE registry changes were made. No need for deleting files since what I want here is the registry and deleting files does not affect the registry (as far as I can tell).
JULI@ installed - cMP software installed with cMP mode implemented.

SO, other than file deletions this is the same build as my cMP Build which is next to impossible to make wide ranging registry changes.

All of the WINDOWS mass I lost was due to this. I was down to 42.4mB and now it around 36mB. The next time I hook the drive up to the HOST computer I will note the config folder's size.

So other than the deleted files & folders this registry build is basically the same as the cMP Build.

In future I will try smaller and smaller nLite builds that still allow JULI@ to be installed and AWE implemented. From playing with it in the past there is a point where you can't. Wish I had taken notes!

Once you get your registry build done (making sure to shutdown while in cMP mode) you make copy these files to a FOLDER you create while connected to another machine and do the same for the files in the cMP Build machine, just to be safe. Then replace the files in your cMP Build with the files from the registry build.

I had already deleted the registry file that is kept in DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS since it is just a compilation of parts of the main files.

The only files I moved were the main files - no need to worry about .sav and .log. I deleted them both but the .log files came back.

All I know is it works. Sounded fine when I got a chance to listen to it last night. As I said, until you have listened to the STEPPE's extreme BIOS and let it burn in for a day or so you do not know how good the machine can sound. Tonight I get to hear if I can hear a difference.

 

Mouse/system freezing, posted on November 22, 2011 at 04:48:00
steppe
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 Hello, this should happen with my tweaks (at times) during tweaks part 14-16. Just reboot and start doing smth as soon as you boot into windows. Proceed to part 18 as soon as possible. If this freeze happens after part 20, it is a different story, and is explained (imho) by the fact, that AWE still works, and cplay doesn't have enough time to empty the paged memory block with part 21 bios settings, that severely shorten the memory module timings. (It sometimes happens when you are playing a song and suddenly click on another. The system hangs. The only remedy I know is to set CMP into load into memory and always to use STOP button).
Serge.

 

RE: a strange phenomenon. Help needed, posted on November 22, 2011 at 05:36:50
riboge
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 I just noticed this subtopic. I have had this phenomenon on and off at various stages of tweaking cMP and even before the steppes. Since no one ever mentioned it I assumed it was related to my diffent system running on a Lenovo laptop though following all cMP recommendations that can be implemented on it. Presently I have down all the steppes, jolidas and mihaylovs and approached their screenshots as closely as possible given that I have a different network adapter, different 'sound card', that is, a Weiss DAC202 via firewire with its needed drivers and dlls as well as the thinkpad trackpad which has it own required set of these, etc., instead of a mouse. Windows folder=120mb. [It has been quite an ordeal ferreting all this out.] I get this freeze often if cPlay stands idle more than a short while. I also get it sometimes playing a long work: it will keep playing from track to track if I don't I stop it, but if I do it won't start again. If I double click another track while it is playing it almost always happens.

The other strange aspect is that it is not itself regular or predictable. Each new state of tweakage in which this happens seems to settle in such that this freezing often becomes less frequent, as if cPlay is 'learning the ropes'.

 

Thanks Fellas nt., posted on November 22, 2011 at 08:06:00
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 d

Cut to razor sounding violins

 

RE: Mouse/system freezing, posted on November 22, 2011 at 10:20:27
audiodan@tiscali.it
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 THX a lot to you, guys.
In this time I've rebuild from scratch a new cMP2, again, and, with no deletions, THIS PHENOMENON SOMETIMES COMPARE THE SAME!
I'm thinking it was caused by some HW problems ( I use a 2100T with GA H67 MA UD2H B3 mobo)integrated with the serge'explication about RAM.
I've seen too that if I came back, after a while when the system is stopped, and I try to charge another folder on cmp shell, everything works with only a slight wait during the operation.
In this way I don't reboot the system. It's just a little boring...
Daniele

 

RE: Mouse/system freezing, posted on November 23, 2011 at 07:25:36
wlowes
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 I have from time to time had similar issues. I run using a Toshiba laptop. It did not seem to make a difference what set of deletions I was using. Usually if I moved quickly using a usb mouse it would freeze. Only way out is forced shutdown.

Recently I have disabled the touchpad in the bios. Turning this off, as well as ensureing the wifi radio is powered off makes a substantial improvement in sound. Similar to turning off unused usb ports.

Try going usb mouse without touchpad. I believe I have not seen this freeze since making this change reqardless of file deletion level.

 

Another registry cleaning success, posted on November 24, 2011 at 20:29:35
wlowes
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 Intrigued by Kclo and Rick's registry posts I took a turn at it with to my ear very good results.
I reloaded an image back when the system was still pretty functional. In my case it was at Steppe7 with Bold Fortune level 9. I installed Kclo's
recommended tool Advanced System Care. I ran all the deep cleaning options. I believe it reported over 5k errors cleaned, and then compressed the registry. I then applied Steppe up to 14. Ran the cleaner and then uninstalled the cleaner. Carried on to apply step16 and Myhalov 1,2&3. Rebooted from another partition and did the folder deletions.
The cmp partition worked without issue.
The SQ in my machine has taken a significant jump. I cannot be fully sure it is all due to the reg optimization as I had made some minor changes to my DAC power supply and it is possible I had not made all the same folder deletions previously. So I'd be interested if anyone else sees this level of change. Basically the imaging is precise in 3d as it never has been before, and the whole thing is very real. It is more or less don't touch it perfect. Definitely taking an image of this one.

 

Somewhat easy way to a 36mB WINDOWS OS, posted on November 24, 2011 at 21:20:40
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 First off, my thanks to Grant (gjwaudio) for his insistence that nLite was the way to go.

My installation has no network and I am using the PS/2 port so I can get rid of the USB stuff. (I delete the USB drivers while connected to another machine at the end of the process)

Make an nLite install disk with the only the following remaining:
DRIVERS
IBM PS/2 TrackPoint (for obvious reasons)
HARDWARE SUPPORT
CPU Intel
Intel PCI/IDE Controller
OPERATING SYSTEM OPTIONS
Certificate Management
Group Policy Mgmt Console
Local Security Settings (this one might be done without. I will try eventually)
Out of Box Experience (if you delete this the machine will not work)
SERVICES
RPC Locator (figure cMP needs this)

Make sure you disable Windows File Protection and Prefetch.
There are other things to do that should be obvious. Look at all of the choices after the main deletion menu. Many are personal taste choices and others disable or eliminate stuff you do not want. Do not rush through here the first time. Think about what you want.

This will result in the fastest WINDOWS install you have ever experienced.

Install the chipset drivers

Implement MINLOGON

Install JULI@ - be sure to go ahead and turn off the undeletable AUDIO CODEC and to check "do not map through this device' and "do not use the mixer".

Implement AWE - when you type in ADMINSITRATORS it will tell you it does not recognize the name. Disregard the warning, cancel out, SAVE and restart.

Install cMP2 software. make sure all is working and check to see if "AWE successful" - if not go through the MMC process again.

Do the optimizations - you will find many of them moot due to this minimal installation.

On my current build I disabled the SMBus Controller in HARDWARE and now it is tricky to restart into STEPPE's BIOS. Next time I will leave this enabled. Anybody know how to RESTART without turning the PS on and off?

Disable the SERVICES. You will notice the list is much smaller and many are already disabled.

Do AUTORUNS. I took a chance (all worked out well) and checked a few of the VIDEO CODECS.

Use the Steppe REGISTRY mods all at once. Junaid's batch files make this quick and easy.

I find it better to delete the files without the batch files with the exception of Junaid's batch file of Mihaylov's last list. After this is done you no longer have access to REG or AUTORUNS. I have had problems with the batch files at times but never with that one. Use one of the lists of files to keep to know what to leave in. You can delete whole swatchs of them pretty quickly between the files you must keep.

I have found it makes no difference in what order the files are deleted. I start at the top of the alphabet and work my way down. I started this on the music machine. You will find the machine will not let you delete some of the files. No big deal, you can get those when you connect the DRIVE to another machine which is the only way to get rid of the last files.

While connected to the cMP machine I did the FOLDERS deletions. I was not able to delete the entire SXS folder but I deleted as much as the machine would let me knowing I could get rid of the FOLDER itself when connected to another machine.

I did restart the machine every forty files or so.

I followed everyone's experience with the FOLDERS, the two Serge's and Junaid's screen shots. Whoever had taken away the most was what I followed.

With this my config FOLDER is a 5.1 mB, my total WINDOWS FOLDER is 36.2 mB.

Been listening to this off and on during the day. Tomorrow will sound better after Serge's Extreme BIOS has had time to settle in.

All in all, this is still quicker, much quicker, than a standard WINDOWS install and just the cMP optimizations.

I do not think it possible to get below this. I am going to try to delete a few files just for the sake of curiosity but I have a feeling I will see only blue screens in trying to go further.

 

Meant to say there is no REGISTRATION folder, posted on November 24, 2011 at 21:24:55
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 with this installation. Took me by surprise.

I have had no problems changing settings within cPLAY with this installation.

I had lost the ability for some reason with the last attempt.

 

RE: Somewhat easy way to a 36mB WINDOWS OS, posted on November 25, 2011 at 06:55:30
theob
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 I take it that there is no way to easily do this from an already 1-22 stepped system. I know Mihaylov gave a way to do it from CMP which I was hoping to do but obviously you cant do the nlite stuff that way. I am currently @ 45 mb windows and it would be great to eliminate another 9mb.

 

All of the reduction is from the REGISTRY, posted on November 25, 2011 at 07:10:04
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 Maybe there are a couple of files less than my last list and this is only becasue they were not there to delete.

Since the REGISTRY is created at installation the only way to get a REGISTRY this small is either to do this or to take a chance of doing this without the file deletion part and copy the registry into your current installation.

Who knows how long it would take to whittle down your current registry to this size and even harder to do would be to know what to delete?

I remembered after posting that nLite does allow one to delete specific files. The problem is you have to type them in; won't allow copying for some bizarre reason. So, I guess the REGISTRY can be made smaller still!

 

Congrats on Leading The nLite Charge !, posted on November 25, 2011 at 08:32:18
gjwAudio
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 Hi Rick

Congratulations on Leading the Charge with nLite !! Your success with the process puts the lie to all previous dire warnings against using nLite for a cMP install. It is very powerful - and therefore great care should be exercised when choosing what to cut out, but the payoff is obviously worth the effort.

The next challenge is to work a registry cleaner into the regimen - to learn at which point in the file deletions you stop it executing. Obviously there will be a point beyond which the cleaner won't run, and files deleted after that will remain orphans in the registry.

With the recent report from KCLO, it seems as though Advanced System Care (ASC) is aggressive enough to clean up the mess left by hundreds of files being deleted.

Your next mission - should you decide to accept it - is to add ASC to your recipe, and compare and contrast SQ between versions with a cleaned/not-cleaned registry.

Thank you once again Rick for your persistence in The Quest !

Cheers,
Grant

That's not a Toy... IT'S A TOOL !!

 

RE: Another registry cleaning success, posted on November 25, 2011 at 10:13:14
Mihaylov
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 Congratulations!
=Basically the imaging is precise in 3d as it never has been before, and the whole thing is very real. It is more or less don't touch it perfect.=
This is very very good.
Excuse me but what is Bold Fortune level 9? All write about it but I don't know nothing :(.

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Another registry cleaning success, posted on November 25, 2011 at 10:30:27
wlowes
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 Bold Fortune is a guy who has developed quite a following writing about how to slim down XP. His site is currently here:
http://www.graphixanstuff.com/Forum/index.php?showforum=68
It appears that for a $15 donation, he will supply his batch files.
I put everything he advocates in level 2 into a bat file. Happy to email you a copy.

 

Respect from me and The Mermaid!, posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:03:35
steppe
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 Hi, Rick! At last I am back here on a regular basis and the first thing I want to do, is to thank you for eNlitening! Also great thanks for ps/2 mouse advice. As I am sitting here playing with my mermaid, she is whispering that Nlite is just the toy we'd been wanting for from the tweaks part8. Now, as we are occupied with smth positively different (soon to be posted), you have found the way to slim things down even more. Beginning to rebuild CMP tomorrow (mouse, you know) with nlite. If you will allow a word of criticism..., you should have written, that we don't need to load service pack and hot fixes. Or, am I wrong?
Serge

 

Lost and LAST registry tweaks, posted on November 25, 2011 at 12:46:24
steppe
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 Hello, everybody! This is the lost part of registry tweaks that are best performed during part 13-15, but you can do it anytime BEFORE part 17 and onwards.
1. Go HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Hardware Profiles\0001\System\CurrentControlSet\Enum\PCI\(Your soundcard name may be different)VEN_1621&DEV_0023&SUBSYS_00231621&REV_00\4&6A4EAF8&0&08F0
open this key and find there your sound card, delete DirectSound.
Perform this step in all sets.
2. Go HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Enum\SW and delete every key inside. You will find there our mortal friends.
Note, that the 7th key from above (sysaudio) or some other (the only one) won't let itself be deleted, so enter it and delete inside, Perform in all sets.
3. Go HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\GroupOrderList and delete:
Antivirus, Encryption, Content Screener, Copy Protection, Physical Quota Management, Quota Management, Security Enhancer,
System Recovery, NetBios Group, Network, Spooler Group, Streams Drivers, Activity Monitor, Compression, Continuous Backup,
Replication, SCSI CDROM class, SCSI Miniport, Content Screener.
Repeat in all sets.
4. Almost in the same place:
Go HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\ServiceGroupOrder
As You open this key, in the window to the right you will see only 2 lines. Doubleclick List,
The dialog that opens will show you almost the same services and groups as in GroupOrderList (see above). Almost the same, but there
is a slight difference. So, Delete:
Antivirus, Encryption, Copy Protection, Security Enhancer, Physical Quota Management, Quota Management, Content Screener, Streams Drivers,
NetBios Group, Spooler Group, Network Provider, Audio Group, SCSI Miniport, SCSI CDROM Class, Compression, Continuous Backup, Replication,
Activity Monitor, Event Log, Local Validation, Scheduler Group, Smart Card Group, Remote Validation.
Perform in all sets.
Serge.
P.S. I had written that tweaks part 15 would be very good, however, nobody confirmed. I think it is because I have forgotten about these registry tweaks in the havoc I had been in.
I AM sorry, folks.
P.P.S. Don't know if these are still relevant after nLite registry swapping.

 

Thanks!, posted on November 25, 2011 at 14:13:21
Mihaylov
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 -

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Somewhat easy way to a 36mB WINDOWS OS, posted on November 25, 2011 at 14:45:45
kclo
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 Hi Rick,

As I am about to build my 'real' server soon (I've been using a linear powered netbook since I started on the cMP trip), your process is going to be a big help. It would be nice if we can see if Registry optimization can fit into the process somewhere.

I had tried nLite once when I built a setup for a friend, but did not had the time to evaluate the result properly; but another friend of mine had been using nLite to good result in his system.

KC

 

RE: Another registry cleaning success, posted on November 25, 2011 at 14:57:04
kclo
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 It is so nice to see another inmate having good result from Registry optimization. I was trying not to oversell the positive benefits in my previous mails as I was really looking for confirmation for what I was hearing.

To me the sound is now very analog, and there is now a delicate subtlety (sorry, don't know how to put it into words) to the whole sonic spectrum.

KC

 

My copy of XP has SP2 on it (and an AUTORUNS suggestion), posted on November 25, 2011 at 17:28:13
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 and I did not think it could be deleted! Did not try. I assumed that if SP2 was on your disk you are stuck with it.

If it can, that is better still.

All credit for my interest in nLite goes to Grant. He was the one who brought it to my attention. After a few false starts I would tell him it was not the way and he amiably disagreed vehemently. He is right as he usually is about audio.

I tried to delete more files with nLite and had no success. If WINDOWS would not load then I would run into trouble elsewhere. I do think there is a little more that can be done with this but after ten CD's I gave up.

Another thing I have discovered while doing a fresh install so I could RESTART reliably (SMBus controller) I found that in AUTORUNS - uncheck everything that relies on a file that you know you are going to delete. I did this within cMP and had no trouble.

Could not live without being able to easily get into STEPPE Extreme BIOS.

 

Still needed two and three, posted on November 25, 2011 at 18:11:18
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 first one made "no sense" in my registry.

 

Fishy secrets Part 1, posted on November 26, 2011 at 01:59:22
steppe
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Hello, everybody! My mermaid gave me something after a long and hard time together. It was a shiny scale, and on its avers was written:
1. Open your boot.ini and add the following: /CLKLVL
Put it somewhere in the middle of the string (before /nopae and after fastdetect..., e.g.) This will stop processor from answering to IRQ requests (constant) from those onboard devices that are designed by old specifications. There is a number of such. Your soundcard IRQ won't be affected.
2. On the revers of the shiny scale I found this advice:
get into bios-M.I.T intelligent tweaker, open ADVANCED VOLTAGE SETTINGS
and set LOAD LINE CALIBRATION to ENABLED (allows to control vdroop [probably voltage DROP]}directly). It will more or less make cpu work at constant voltage without being reduced or increased.
The effect of both tweaks is immediate and grows within a 1-2 hours burn-in.
Serge.

 

I have some ideas for improvement which I will try tomorrow, posted on November 26, 2011 at 07:20:27
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 Already found that going ahead and unchecking as many items in AUTORUNS that correspond with files to be deleted makes a difference.

This, alone, brought my total WINDOWS size to 35mB.

I do not think there is much left to remove but I think there is still something to deleting a few files within nLite; tell it not to load. Mainly stuff like the video and audio codecs and redbook.sys and a few others that do not pop into my head.

I did another build yesterday where I tried the AUTORUNS idea and instead of deleting files in groups I connected the SSD to another computer and did everything at once, all folders and files and the boot.ini file. All started up without incident.

The trick, if you want to use the registry cleaner would be to delete files in groups, becing careful not to delete the files that allow AUTORUNS to work which for me is somewhat mysterious, and then run your registry cleaner. I would do this after the AUTORUNS unchecking. And hope that the registry has not been changed for making changes to the registry!!!

When I was doing my AUTORUNS I unchecked something which allowed the keyboard to work. I need to do another install and pay closer attention. This is what made me do ALL of the file and folder deletions from another machine.

After the next rebuild I will attempt to make a procedure list. I will assume those who do this have some experience with the cMP process. I do not think I would have made a good teacher.

 

After turning off my computer I felt bad that I had not given credit, posted on November 26, 2011 at 07:26:41
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 to the ESSENTIAL MAN of this whole endeavour.

If not for you, Serge, who knows if we would have ever started thicking about this or at best it could have been years down the road. I know it never occurred to me but once you made us aware of your idea I was intrigued and started my computer tinkering with the help of Grant, Mihaylov and Junaid. I have tried to synthesize what I have learned from all of you.

Another thing, the idea of the PS/2 mouse was another of Grant's ideas. I had mentioned this before but think it should be mentioned again.

Thanks to you, especially, and to all, sincerely,

 

That screenshot is confusing, posted on November 26, 2011 at 07:31:05
rickmcinnis@dogwoodfabrics.com
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 Almost twice the Vcore voltage?

DSIABLED when you write ENABLED.

I assume the photo has nothing to do with the trick other than to show where the trick is performed BUT who, following you, would not know and hence, my confusion!!!!

 

RE: Fishy secrets Part 1, posted on November 26, 2011 at 12:50:34
Mihaylov
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 1.=This will stop processor from answering to IRQ requests (constant) from those onboard devices that are designed by old specifications. =
Why you think so?
I have found this:
"/CLKLVL Causes the standard x86 multiprocessor HAL (Halmps.dll) to configure itself for a level-sensitive system clock rather then an edge-triggered clock. Level-sensitive and edge-triggered are terms used to describe hardware interrupt types." CLKLVL = Clock Level.
2. LOAD LINE CALIBRATION is the feature to automatically maintain constant Vcore in overclocking systems when current consumption of CPU is very high. The current consumption of CPU in cMP2 is relatively low so all automatic features should be disabled because they generate pollutions.

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: New Tweaks Part 22 (the flick of a mermaid's tail), posted on November 26, 2011 at 13:16:26
Mihaylov
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 To disable both DEP and PAE:
/noexecute=alwaysoff or /noexecute=alwaysoff /nopae
(Windows XP with SP2)
(These parameter combinations are equivalent.)
See here:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff542275(v=vs.85).aspx

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Does XPLite make registry changes?, posted on November 26, 2011 at 14:27:59
theob
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 Serge I tried restoring these files and amending the CicsMemoryplayer.pth as you indicated and then I just doubleclick on touchscreen and I should get into the registry editor right? But nothing happens I just stay in the cmp screen. Is there something I am doing wrong?

 

RE: Still needed two and three, posted on November 26, 2011 at 15:55:28
theob
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 Did you get a sq pop for 4 assuming you could not do 1,2 or 3?

 

RE: Does XPLite make registry changes?, posted on November 26, 2011 at 16:14:50
Mihaylov
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 That's all right. Now I editing the registry in manual way. I have returned the files aclui.dll, ulib.dll, clb.dll into System32 folder and regedit.exe into Windows folder. Also I have replaced cicsMemoryPlayer.pth in Program Files/cics Memory Player folder with folowing cicsMemoryPlayer.pth:

RIPPER "c:\windows\system32\taskmgr.exe"
CUE_PLAYER #N "c:\program files\cics Play\cicsPlay.exe" %C
LIBRARY_MANAGER "C:\Program Files\dpclat.exe"
OSK "C:\Program Files\cics Memory Player\ahkosk.exe"
PROCESS_EXPLORER "c:\Logon.bat"
EXPLORER_KILL "c:\windows\system32\taskkill.exe" /F /IM explorer.exe
TOUCH_SCREEN "c:\windows\regedit.exe"
PREP_PLAYER
REFRESH "Эверест" ""
.............................

(I use the only button T.Screen in cMP settings interface so do not pay attention to other lines of this file).
And after pushing the button T.Screen the Registry Edit window is appeared. I do not fathom why it is impossible to you. :(

Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

RE: Does XPLite make registry changes?, posted on November 26, 2011 at 16:24:55
theob
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 I put regedit into system32 but in the pth file I wrote

TOUCH_SCREEN "c:\windows\system32\regedit.exe"


That should work shouldn't it?

 

RE: Does XPLite make registry changes?, posted on November 26, 2011 at 16:42:23
Mihaylov
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 Theo, the file regedit.exe don't run from System32 folder or from anywhere apart from Windows folder!


Serge.
http://cmp2-mihaylov.narod.ru/

My cMP2: Windows XP SP2 Ru, GA-H55M-UD2H, i3-530, Corsair CM3X160C9DHX 1GB, system drive - Transcend IDE FLASH MODULE TS2GDOM40V-S FAT32, ESI Juli@, full linear PSU, NAS - WD My Book Live

 

It only shows, posted on November 26, 2011 at 20:46:24
steppe
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 where to make this change. The pic is from manual pdf. It shows the default values. Sorry, if it is confusing
Serge.

 

RE: Does XPLite make registry changes?, posted on November 27, 2011 at 04:22:57
theob
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 I tried it by putting regedit.exe in windows and revised my cicsMemory.pth as you specified...still doesn't work. Oh well probably another difference in our xp files.

 

RE: Fishy secrets Part 1, posted on November 27, 2011 at 04:34:26
theob
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 Ok I am not able to do the load calibration revision (not available on my mobo) I did only the /CLKLVL in the boot file. And while it changed the sonics I'm still not sure I like it. Whenever I shut down my cmp pc and then eventually reboot it reverts bios to 1600 mhz and slower memory timings. So when I rebooted after /CLKLVL it sounded great. When I eventually got back to my 'listening bios levels' which is 840 mhz and faster memory settings it sounded a bit underpowered...soundstage moved closer, bass got sloppier and highs were more midrangey. It sounded a bit voluptuous if I had to give it one word. I will give it a bit more time but if I stay with /CLKLVL I'll probably have to bump up cpu speed. I'm reluctant to go to 1600 mhz always for the risk it may be to cpu heat.

 

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