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Jriver setup to get better sound

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Posted on July 28, 2012 at 12:31:41
Dawnrazor
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I have been playing with the free old version of jriver (16) and dlna.

It works. But in comparing to cplay on the same computer with the same file cplay is better sounding...clearer and more effortless. This was just on the general use w7 computer and my inexpensive headphone rig and an informal comparison where I could pause either player and play the same section of the same song right after each other. It was pretty clear which sounded better.

Cplay was of course with asio and jriver was using wasapi (event style wouldnt work.

I had jriver setup for memory playback and had minimized so things. But are there any things I should definitely do in the setting that I might have missed? Especially ones that can make it clearer and less veiled? Or is that just the network dlna reality?

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WASAPI Event Style wouldn't work, posted on July 28, 2012 at 20:15:18
JeffH
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what bit depth were you using? 16 or 24? Did you match is with your DAC?

 

RE: WASAPI Event Style wouldn't work, posted on July 28, 2012 at 21:24:52
Dawnrazor
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Hey Jeff

Iirc it was set for 32 bit

Jriver gave a message that it should be set for 24. So I said ok and it set it to 24

All kinds of static and clicks. Not your normal dropouts, didn't sound like music

Reset and same thing

What could be the issue??

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update, posted on July 28, 2012 at 22:19:02
Dawnrazor
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I got it to work. I think the issue was that I had cplay running at the same time.

Asio can do that but usually you are lockout in the program. Here you seem to just get static.

Thanks.

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RE: DAC with USB capabilities and built in high quality Preamp, posted on July 29, 2012 at 05:14:54
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FYI JRiver MC 17 is a significant improvement over 16 possibly because the volume control works in 24 bit mode.

 

JRiver 17, posted on July 29, 2012 at 05:16:54
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I forgot to change the subject line!

 

RE: Jriver setup to get better sound, posted on July 29, 2012 at 09:10:44
Roseval
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Looks like you are using both for local playback.
In this case you can simply disable DLNA.

Cplay is ASIO only, for a fair comparison use ASIO in JRiver as well (17 supports ASIO, forgot if 16 does as well)

WASAPI must be used with “Open device for Exclusive access” checked otherwise you are listening to the Win mixer.

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RE: Jriver setup to get better sound, posted on July 29, 2012 at 15:22:03
Dawnrazor
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Hey V,

Actually the dlna is a must. The whole reason I am even messing with jriver is to be able to move everything to another room but still control.

Long story but it has to do with trying to fit the system in a common space. The monitor and mouse have to go for that to be viable. So dlna is the way I think.

Yeah I agree that asio would be a fair test but I have been hearing about how great wasapi is on w7 and if I used asio I couldnt switch between players for my informal test.

Anyhow I dont think I am going down the dlna path since the software is kind of buggy it seems and the "add to que" mentality is frustrating if you dont have a need for playlists....or if you would like advanced control like fast forward.


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RE: DAC with USB capabilities and built in high quality Preamp, posted on July 29, 2012 at 15:25:03
Dawnrazor
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Thanks Bob,

That is great info and something I wasnt aware of.

Are there andy settings I should look at? Any way to ditch the browser stuff and video playback stuff???



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RE: Jriver setup to get better sound, posted on July 29, 2012 at 23:33:11
soundchekk
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You should at least give Fidelizer a try. That might get you closer to cplay.

There are some more minor things that could be done.

Running DLNA you're opening another can of worms.

 

ASIO vs. Windows access to a Sound Card, posted on July 31, 2012 at 07:07:52
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The driver for a sound card determines what happens when ASIO and the Windows stack try to play at the same time. I used to believe that when one application was using a device via ASIO that all other access was locked out, but this proved not to be the case, at least with the 64 bit Juli@ driver. Instead there is mixing and (I believe) sample rate conversion by Windows if it is using a different sample rate than ASIO. With my Mytek Stereo192-DSD DAC there are more complex possibilities, e.g. ASIO can be running the DAC in DSD mode while Windows is trying to run it in PCM. I have no idea what is going on with these drivers, nor do I really care. I just take care not to run both of them at the same time.

Tony Lauck

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DLNA gapless, posted on July 31, 2012 at 07:14:06
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Be sure and test your DLNA playback for gapless (See Linked thread.)

Tony Lauck

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JRMC, posted on July 31, 2012 at 07:15:28
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I haven't tried changing anything. I just play music and it works very well especially with Windows 7 64bit into my Empirical Audio Overdrive DAC.

 

DIdnt work with elyric and Jriver, posted on July 31, 2012 at 07:58:02
Dawnrazor
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I dont have much content that needs to be gapless and well I dont care too much if there is a gap for the content that needs gapless.

Heck sometimes I would kill for the whole album to play! Often I select it and only the 1st song plays.

Anyhow given how flakey dlna has been I can see where gapless playback HAS to be at the bottom of the list.

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