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Posted on August 24, 2009 at 01:33:00
unclestu52
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Been reading the Francis Crick's book titled "The Astounding Hypothesis."

Interesting: nerve impulses are triggered by a change in voltage from -50 millivolts to -70 millivolts, and it increases in frequency as the nerve endings are stimulated. Seems that nerve impulses are rather digital in nature, but what is interesting is that the signal jumps across nerve ending through negative voltage.

Wonder if that is why negative ion generators seem to work well? Maybe it lowers that threshold to fire within the listener.

Stu

WARNING!, posted on August 26, 2009 at 11:01:31
caspian@peak.org
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Do NOT use ion generators near speakers. The ionized air greatly speeds the aging and deterioration of both foam and butyl surrounds.

OTOH, if you really want to live dangerously, get some speakers with plasma tweeters. These double as ion generators, and also employ insanely high voltages, operate at intense heat, and emit ozone. You can electrocute yourself, burn your house down, or burn your lungs, but hey . . . they sound wonderful!

RE: negative Ions, posted on August 24, 2009 at 04:29:33
May Belt
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>>> "Seems that nerve impulses are rather digital in nature, but what is interesting is that the signal jumps across nerve ending through negative voltage.

Wonder if that is why negative ion generators seem to work well? Maybe it lowers that threshold to fire within the listener." <<<

Are we REALLY, now, at long last, discussing the concept that it might be us (human beings) being sensitive to what is happening in our environment ??? And NOT the audio signal being affected (by such things as the negative ions) and NOT the acoustic air pressure waves in the room being affected (by such things as the negative ions) ??? But us ?

Regards,
May Belt.

RE: negative Ions, posted on August 25, 2009 at 08:54:55
MMasztal
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As has been posited by the users of the Earthcalm and Acoustic Revive Schumann Resonance generator type devices.
Cogito Ergo Credo

RE: negative Ions, posted on August 26, 2009 at 04:50:54
May Belt
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>>> "As has been posited by the users of the Earthcalm and Acoustic Revive Schumann Resonance generator type devices." <<<

Absolutely. When faced with the effect of devices such as those, and if they are not affecting the audio signal going through the equipment and if they are not affecting the acoustic air pressure waves then all that is left to consider is "the human being, in the room, is being affected."

Thinking it through logically, if the acoustic air pressure waves in the room are not being affected, then the 'sound' information they carry is not being affected, therefore that information is intact when it reaches the ear drum. So, the changes to the 'sound' information and the way it is resolved must be taking place within some part of the hearing mechanism within the human being. If the effect of such as the Schumann resonance device is to allow more of that 'sound' information to be resolved, therefore giving 'better sound', then PRIOR to the Schumann resonance device being introduced into the room, there must have been "something" having an adverse effect - on the human being !!

The Schumann resonance device was originally developed and introduced for people to be able to create a better environment to assist in better health - it was not originally developed to give better sound !! But, obviously, someone, at some time, having such a device in the room from a health point of view suddenly realised that whilstever the Schumann resonance device was in the room, the sound from their audio system was much better !!!

The hostile modern environment and it's adverse effect on the human being (and subsequently on their health) was blamed for the need for the Schumann resonance device in the first place. As soon as people began to realise that this device could also "improve the sound", then it began to be realised that it was allowing the human being to resolve more of the (musical) information available !! So, their thinking had to move away from the conventional (electronic) viewpoint "it must be having an effect on the audio signal" and away from the conventional (acoustic) viewpoint "it must be having an effect on the acoustic air pressure waves" and start to look at it "affecting the human being". And, if the result was beneficial i.e better sound and the Schumann resonance device cannot have been ADDING additional musical information to what was already there, then it must be 'dealing with' an already existing adverse effect - the modern environment - and the adverse effect the modern environment is having on the human being !!!!

The discoveries we made over 25 years ago forced US to seriously consider the concept of "adverse effects in the modern environment having an adverse effect on the human being".

I watch the Schumann resonance device story and how the world of audio deals with it with considerable interest !!

Regards,
May Belt.

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