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Peavy scorpions. Has anybody considered them seriously?

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Posted on August 1, 2012 at 09:43:20
amnesiac
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I know very little about the actual specs of speakers. Only the basics to get me by. These interest me because they are cheap and efficient.
Presently I cannot find a fr plot on them.

What perplexes me about these is they are well efficient and yet they have a qts of .6 to .8 depending on the model and yet they are all over 99 db!.

I thought to get a qts that high you need to have a heavy cone and therefore lower efficiency.

What could they be adapted for audiologically speaking here.

qts to high for horns?

What about ppsl mid bass?

Or perhaps they might be best in open baffle pp middbass. They seem like such a special driver for the price it seems like a driver worth trying.

 

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No reason to consider, posted on August 1, 2012 at 18:09:18
badman
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Peavey and others like them are not to be trusted, on the spec sheet. Anything with a name rather than a number for the driver, pretty much fits into that bucket.



Bass is supposed to sound big. 6.5" is not a woofer size.


 

RE: No reason to consider, posted on August 1, 2012 at 21:57:15
amnesiac
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I guess if something is too good to be true ......

 

RE: No reason to consider, posted on August 2, 2012 at 03:35:14
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"Anything with a name rather than a number for the driver, pretty much fits into that bucket."


Oddly enough the same is largely true for cars.

 

They indeed have a number, posted on August 2, 2012 at 14:20:48
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Scorpion is the series. S-12825 is the most popular. It was the driver for this mid-bass horn. They will supply the Thiele-Small parameters if requested, or it may be online.

 

Well, I've seen a number of threads on "Black Widow" , posted on August 2, 2012 at 21:11:04
badman
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and other peavey schlock, that didn't have specs, or didn't live up to specs. I just don't trust it.



Bass is supposed to sound big. 6.5" is not a woofer size.


 

Black Widows have numbers too, posted on August 3, 2012 at 08:54:59
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My mistake. Black wWidows are the driver for MB2 that I referenced. I thought they were Scorpions.

Again, the name is marketing hype. But Thiele-Small parameters are available for the various Black Widow model numbers.

 

I don't know that I'd trust them, posted on August 3, 2012 at 10:26:46
badman
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Too good to be true, as said. 99dB and .7ish qts or something like that?

Maybe 99dB on-axis at 2kHz where there's a breakup peak....

Are you really this trusting?

There's PLENTY of overstated numbers in loudspeaker drivers.



Bass is supposed to sound big. 6.5" is not a woofer size.


 

RE: Peavey Scorpion Speaker Akin To Mesa/Boogie MC90, posted on August 3, 2012 at 15:58:09
FRG7SWL
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Gear Page's V-Type finds Peavey's Scorpion handles power like an Electro Voice, whilst voiced like Celestion's GT-100 (tight bass & slightly recessed mids). Similar to Mesa/Boogie's MC-90 driver; although MC-90s are "only" 90 watts (tis personal preference in Peavey Transformer 112 over stock Blue Marvel). On Telecaster.com, Dacious utilized "a pair in 2-way 12" P.A. cabs & they take 200 watts a side with crystal clarity & show no signs of distress". He found them similar in sound quality to E.V. Eliminator cabs, with 97% efficiency. Scorpion Ultras were stock drivers in Peavey's Triumph 120 combo amp, which was Peavey's answer to Mesa Rectifiers. Tele.com's Deaf Eddie noted 'twas Peavey-badged CTS speakers which gave Peavey speakers in general a bad rap. Transformer designer John Fera uses a Peavey Sheffield 1230 in his 112, with Weber Beam blocker, for live gigs. 73s para Sactown !!!

 

RE: They indeed have a number, posted on August 4, 2012 at 07:58:21
amnesiac
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Thanks Alpha but I am over it if I cant trust the specs. I think there would be better 100$ drivers out there. BTW I starting gutting that bogen amp out for a stereo SE amp. The half fried output was the deciding factor. I guess I will keep the output in case I find another to compare the dcr reading against and use then if they still match. I hope I didn't miss a reply from you. I haven't been in my email since then.

 

RE: Peavey Scorpion Speaker Akin To Mesa/Boogie MC90, posted on August 6, 2012 at 06:17:05
amnesiac
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I am not a guitar guy but its nice to know they are made in usa and not china and yet still affordable. Thats what usa needs. More good affordable local made products that bring back the once known fact that usa built meant quality you could count on!

 

Just the Facts, posted on August 8, 2012 at 20:41:00
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1st and up front: I work at Peavey Electronics Corp.
Senior Project Engineer,
Transducer Engineering Dept.

The Peavey Scorpion speaker was originally designed as a high power MI speaker for guitar, keyboards, etc.

The 10" and 12" models are still primarily aimed at that market. The 15", especially the SP-15825, has been fitted with a Kevlar loaded cone, and so is much more linear than it used to be years ago. It has a very linear suspension system, and good response out to reasonably high frequencies.

Currently used in the SP-5 Sound Reinforcement speaker, it has a honest sensitivity of approx. 98 dB.

Specs and other info can be had at:
http://peavey.com/catalog/Transducer_Catalog.pdf
see page 10

Another potential choice for use in a high sensitivity speaker system would be some of the BW models, these handle more power (less power compression at lower power levels, and generally have more cone travel for a given level of distortion.)

Recommended models to check out:
1508-8 SPS page 7
1208-8 SPS page 11


For subwoofers, the 18" or 15" Low Rider models can be a good bang for the buck sub driver. Pages 2 and 3.
95 dB in the bass, and 800W power handling, 9.6mm Xmax (this is one way, not 2 times Xmax as is often published by other vendors)
They don't need huge boxes either.





Jon Risch

 

Here's a Peavey horn for y'all, posted on August 10, 2012 at 06:58:47
Joe Roberts
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This CH-9040-2 looks potentially awesome. Have not found much info on it nor have I ever seen one for sale, but it looks highly promising from visual clues.

It's from the Architectural Acoustics catalog, cinema section.

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RE: Here's a Peavey horn for y'all, posted on August 10, 2012 at 07:39:42
Horn Speaker Dan
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Looks interesting Joe, I wonder if we can assume it is a 2" entrance form the part number? I am curious how big that horn is, could it be a JBL knockoff?

 

RE: Here's a Peavey horn for y'all, posted on August 10, 2012 at 08:18:33
Joe Roberts
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I think it is pretty big. 400hz.

Moray James (I think) told me about it on DiyA. I believe it is a tractrix design.

I'm looking for good 2" horns to try with some Renkus drivers, so if it were 2" that would make it even more desirable to me at the moment.

I don't think there are many of these floating around though. It may even be discontinued. It is in the catalog but searches on Peavey home and Architectural Acoustics division sites on the model number do not turn up anything.

People who have actually tried Peavey CH-1 and CH-2 horns say they are quite good. It is easy to snob out on Peavey as popularly priced PA gear, but there is surely some good stuff in the catalog if we pick and choose.
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RE: Here's a Peavey horn for y'all, posted on August 10, 2012 at 08:43:16
Horn Speaker Dan
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I wonder if it is a Hughes design?
The klipsch K-402 is a good 2" horn, but very difficult to find. I have some EAW horns off the HK-294 system that sound great, but they are the smaller format and I tend to like the polar control of the larger horns.

 

RE: Here's a Peavey horn for y'all, posted on August 10, 2012 at 10:20:53
Joe Roberts
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Just checked the book and it is listed with the 2" 44XT driver, so probably a two incher.
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RE: Here's a Peavey horn for y'all, posted on August 10, 2012 at 13:25:15
Horn Speaker Dan
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I talked with Peavey, they still make them, but are proud of them--about $800.00 ea. Any experience with the DDS horns? It looks like they have a few larger horns that may be fun.

 

RE: Here's a Peavey horn for y'all, posted on August 10, 2012 at 18:03:34
Joe Roberts
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800 skins each? Yikes! That's some expensive plastic!

I'd bet they'll go for a lot less used, if they ever sold any...
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