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Posted on July 30, 2012 at 10:25:06
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How are the Madisounds coming along?

 

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just got back from vacation, posted on August 1, 2012 at 04:24:33
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They are all glued and the internal wiring done. Today I either suck it up and hack at them with a router to round the edges or take it to a woodworking friend to do the work for me. Images of shredded bits of plywood from the edge holds me back from trying it myself.

Then it's a staining with teak to cherry wood coloring, a bit of sanding and a poly finish. I hope to have this bit done by the weekend.

Finally attaching the drivers and taking them for a spin hopefully as early as Saturday. I'm told they should break in 200+ (?) hours so thinking of putting them face to face, wiring one speaker out of phase, and letting them run on pink noise from between FM stations for the week.

 

RE: just got back from vacation, posted on August 1, 2012 at 09:46:59
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If I can't talk you out of using goopethane, at least use this one. Not as plasticky looking.

 

I'm open to suggestion, posted on August 1, 2012 at 11:46:07
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just have an almost full can of poly sitting on the shelf at home. If I have to buy stain, I can buy that stuff too....

 

RE: Suggestions with pix, posted on August 1, 2012 at 20:24:59
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Birch is a close-grained wood and may not take oil based stain well. The wipe on poly will give you a natural, somewhat amber-hued finish with no blotching worries. My bitch with poly is that it's not repairable and the glossy stuff looks so unreal.

I do all my speakers with just Amber shellac or Watco natural which darkens the wood, then shellac or varnish as a topcoat.

Do you want to make a 1/2" or more roundover on those plywood edges? Could look good and interesting with so many tight plies. Not that difficult really and minor errors easily touched up with a bit of 220 grit paper.

Just keep the router base flat on the panel and let the bit do the work going counter clockwise. With plywood there's no end grain/long grain direction to bother with. Have at it.

Walnut with Watco natural then Bullseye Amber Shellac cut 50/50 with denatured alcohol for a 1 1/2 pound cut and wiped on





Walnut with just Amber Shellac



 

RE: Suggestions with pix, posted on August 1, 2012 at 23:58:19
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I'm inclined to go amber shellac, nothing else, maybe two to four coats with a sanding between?

 

RE: Suggestions with pix, posted on August 2, 2012 at 04:51:08
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From an article by Jeff Jewett:

"Shellac can be applied by practically any method -- brushing, padding, or spraying. My favorite method is padding, which many woodworkers may not have heard of. This technique takes advantage of shellac's rapid drying and allows the finisher to apply a finish in a much shorter time than varnish, polyurethane or oil finishes. It works best on flat surfaces, and in a nutshell, here's how it's done. Use a 2 lb. cut shellac and some padding cloth, which is available from finishing suppliers as trace cloth or French polishing cloth. It should be as lint-free as possible. Do not use cotton T-shirt type cloth or cheesecloth.

Cut a piece of cloth roughly 10"-12" square. Fold it up into a pad so that there are no creases on the bottom. Pour about 1 ounce of alcohol on the cloth and work the alcohol into the cloth. Then take a squirt bottle of shellac and dispense approximately one ounce of shellac into the pad. Starting at the top of the board, bring the pad down on the surface like an airplane coming in for a landing, then lift it slowly off the board at the edge like taking off. Repeat this motion in stripes down the board. When you get to the bottom, the shellac that you put on the top will be dry enough to wipe again. Keep doing this until the surface is tacky and the pad starts to stick. Between wipes, pad the edges. The trick to this is to apply light coats of shellac by keeping the pad moist, not dripping wet. (If you can squeeze shellac from the pad it's too wet). When finished with padding, store the pad in a jar with a tight cap and re-use it. If this is the first application on new wood, the shellac should penetrate quickly and be dry enough to scuff-sand with 320 stearated sandpaper to remove the raised fibers in about an hour. Repeat the same process as above until the pad starts to stick. Let this application dry overnight and then scuff sand with 320 grit stearated sandpaper and then steel wool with maroon synthetic steel wool or 000 regular steel-wool. Repeat the padding application one more time and let it dry overnight. Then rub the finish out with 0000 steel wool, using wax thinned with mineral spirits as a lubricant. After the wax dries to a haze, wipe the excess wax off with a soft cotton cloth. This leaves a very mellow, hand-rubbed satin finish."

You want to build-up the finish by repeating the wiping on 3 or more times on the bare wood then waiting an hour and sanding very lightly using a hard sanding block just to level the finish. Wipe the residue with a micro-fiber cloth and apply another coat and sand. 3 or 4 reps should give you a good finish. I do a final pass with a fresh cheesecloth dampened with denatured alcohol only barely touching the wood, really using only the alcohol vapor to subtly blend the shellac.

Next day thoroughly wet a chunk of 0000 steel wool in mineral spirits and apply a good paste wax like Minwax which is easy to find. Buff it out before it completely hazes and done.

Easy to find Zinsser Bulls-eye Amber is a 3 pound cut. Just dilute it 50/50 for a 1 1/2 lb. cut, perfect for wiping. Get a Mason jar, the kind for canning to store your pad during the finishing and after. Pads keep for months in one.

Here's an amplifier base in Padauk after 12 coats of shellac by wiping:




 

delayed from health issues with my mother, posted on August 10, 2012 at 15:06:30
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but I hope to get the routing done this Sunday.

I am thinking amber shellac and nothing but. I'm OK with the wood being on the lighter side and the youtubes I've seen show amber shellac producing a pretty result. I was going to go with the clear sealcoat stuff for the low wax properties but then I thought, why bother, just shellac the guys up with amber and be done with it.

 

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