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Posted on May 15, 2012 at 04:23:51
Pjay
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 Couple of questions. I have a Sony DVP-9000ES and honestly it is one of the best sounding CD/SACD players I have heard. But it has a couple of quirks that bug me I won't bore you with. So the question is if someone here has heard the new Oppo SACD everyone likes and if you have heard both. The second question is how I can get a sample of the Oppo to listen to in my own system to do my own comparison? I don't think any of the Oppo stores offer a return on this item. I am in the NoVa/DC area if anyone has an Oppo they would not mind sharing.

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RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 15, 2012 at 06:52:23
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 I recently bought the Oppo 93EU to compare with my Sony X5400ES & Sony 1000ES. I find the Sony's via HDMI into a Sony AV receiver DA5400ES much better. However the Oppo is very good value as a Universal player in the US $499 not so good value in the UK.£499.Both the mch SACD & Blu-Ray sound are best with the Sony combo perhaps they are a better match both having HATS for lowest jitter. I also prefer the Sony video picture easier to watch than the Oppo whilst the latter has received rave reviews for its picture quality. I never believe any review I always try for myself. I was able to get a full refund from the Oppo retailer.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 15, 2012 at 07:49:06
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 See Kal Rubinson's reviews in Stereophile for a comparison of the Oppo and Sony xa5400es players. If I remember correctly, via analog cables the Oppo BDP-95 was slightly better.

To try a player, go to Oppodigital.com and order one direct. You have 30 days to return the player for a full refund, but you will have to pay shipping both ways. You can buy from Music Direct with the same return policy.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 15, 2012 at 07:59:33
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 How do you get video from the audio only Sony?
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RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 15, 2012 at 08:47:52
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 The Video comes from the Sony 1000ES which has excellent Blu-Ray sound & video, I should have said combos, but I thought this would be obvious.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 15, 2012 at 09:25:36
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 crutchfield has a 60 return period with no restocking and a 7.00 return label. I have one but its not going back but I am also keeping m,y SA8004

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 15, 2012 at 10:11:58
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 Sorry. Missed the 1000es mention
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RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 15, 2012 at 10:25:06
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 I have a Sony DVP-S9000ES, XA5400ES, and Oppo BDP-93. Both the XA5400ES and BDP-93 sound a bit better than the older DVP-S9000ES. The sound of the X5400ES and BDP-93 differs a bit, but neither is better. Given the BDP-93 is super with Blu-ray and does HDCD processing, it's in the music/HT system, the 5400ES in the living room system. The music/HT system uses a Cary 11a processor with Proceed Amp 2s and 3; the living room system uses a Proceed PAV/PDSD pre/pro with an Amp 2. Speakers are KEF 104.2s, four KEF 102s, and a pair of Velodyne HGS-15s with an SMS-1 in the music/HT system, four KEF 102.2s and an HGS-10 in the living room.

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RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 15, 2012 at 11:53:08
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 I did have a Sony 9000ES IMO overated both by Stereophile & HFN &RR, I was misled by both reviews and bought it unheard from a discount retailer only because I could not find a retailer able to demonstrate it. I sold it on with a big loss and unfortunately Nagraboy who I sold it to found it failed just over a year later and was unable to get it repaired, I do agree the 5400ES sounds better than the 9000ES and is far easier to operate. Furthermore the Sony XA5400ES sounds its best as I have posted many times previously when connected to the Sony DA5400ES AV receiver (UK) version, via HDMI then it is better than the Oppo 93 which in turn is no where near as good especially with Blu-Ray audio as the Sony 1000ES.

 

thanks! nt, posted on May 15, 2012 at 16:55:48
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RE: thanks! nt, posted on May 16, 2012 at 04:47:10
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 What a audio jumble

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 16, 2012 at 11:03:52
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 Disbeliever,

I believe the OP was referring to the Sony DVP-S9000ES that plays DVDs, CDs, and SACDs, rather than the 9000ES that was nudged off Sony's CD/SACD throne by the XA5400ES.

db

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 16, 2012 at 12:20:13
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 I should have been more clear. Is it worth buying an oppo-95 or keep the sony DVP-9000ES.

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RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 16, 2012 at 22:09:32
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 Get an Oppo! order it direct from them, you have a 30 day window to return it! Those Sabre Dac's are no joke.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 30, 2012 at 01:38:42
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 OPPO Digital Chooses ESS’s Sabre 32bit Reference Audio DAC For Its Flagship BDP-95 Universal Audiophile 3D Blu-ray Player and the Accuphase PRECISION MDSD DIGITAL PROCESSOR DC-901 uses sixteen MDS type D/A converters driven in parallel. Each channel uses two Hyperstream™ DAC chips (ES9018) in parallel.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 30, 2012 at 11:13:54
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 I could only Imagine the sound of 16 Sabre's per channel! The 95 has a configuration in its setup (FL/FR option) to stack 8 per channel and the difference is not subtle to say the least. This thing still leaves me dumb founded at its scale on heavy weight Classical cresendos (especially Sacd,hirez files and rebook)I haven't found todate a passage to make it stumble.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 31, 2012 at 06:11:18
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 If using HDMI the Oppo's sabre DAC's are of no consequence as the 93 & 95 both sound the same and I find inferior to Sony XA5400Es & Sony BDP-1000ES

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 31, 2012 at 06:23:31
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 Of course if you want to have the benefits of the sabre DAC's you have to use the analog outputs. If you are using a HDMI output you have to know the limitations and that is why for example Accuphase does not use a HDMI output in their SACD/CD players.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 31, 2012 at 06:26:14
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 HDMI has no limitations especially if utilising HATS

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 31, 2012 at 06:39:40
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 Kal Rubinson mentioned that Sony have made a mistake by implementing HATS in their equipment. For high-end audio I do not take HDMI very seriously.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 31, 2012 at 07:03:30
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 You can not take Kal seriously on HATS , he admits not having heard it implemented on the Sony combo XA5400Es/DA6400ES US version DA5400ES omits HATS. An aquaintance recently bought your favorite Accuphase amp and did not like the sound, sold it on after a fortnight. Most High End is a total con IMO.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 31, 2012 at 07:09:39
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 I think Kal Rubinson will disagree with your opions and so do I with your comments on Accuphase. For your information the Accuphase amplifier needs a break in time of about a thousand hours (three months) to get the best sound according to the Accuphase retailer W&W Audio in Enschede. Enrich life through technlogy is the Accuphase philosophy.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 31, 2012 at 07:19:45
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 Lets wait for his reply. Sterophile stupid policy is not to review receivers. Accuphase is over engineered & overpriced with old fashion Virtually Useless meters.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 31, 2012 at 07:23:19
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 Disbeliever, are you pinging Kal Rubinson seriously?

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 31, 2012 at 07:31:52
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 I am not pinging Kal , just advising what he has already posted, which you must have missed, he has said several times that he has not heard the Sony receiver(and has rebuked me for implying that he had) which you would need to do to evaluate HATS properly, it can be switched on/off on the receivers but not on the player the combo is excellent both for sound and value. Never heard of a 1000 hour break in time required for an amplifier. However I did give the Marantz SA7-S1 player a 750 hour break in, before getting shot of it, what a waste of valuable time.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 31, 2012 at 07:47:28
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 Did you know that at Accuphase their are people who listen every day to resistors, capacitors from various suppliers to select to best components to get the right Accuphase sound. For me Sony phased out.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on May 31, 2012 at 23:59:42
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 Rolls Royce has the flying lady. Seems to me very old fashioned but it is British styling.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on June 1, 2012 at 00:27:23
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What is the relevance of your last post ? anyway the Huns own Rolls Royce due to the sheer stupidity of British Governments.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on June 1, 2012 at 00:47:53
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 The SABRE32 Reference ES9018 from ESS Technology is the world’s best performing 32-bit audio DAC solution targeted for high-end consumer applications and professional studio equipment. Accuphase and OPPO have made the right choice.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on June 1, 2012 at 01:51:46
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Unnecessary if you use HDMI cheaper & better scares the pants off the High End con merchants

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on June 1, 2012 at 02:04:47
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 HDMI is just a low cost consumer digital interface and that has nothing to do with the high-end Sabre audio DACs used in the OPPO and Accuphase equipment.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on June 4, 2012 at 07:15:39
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HDMI is an excellent low cost digital interface, when used with Oppo the more expensive Sabre DACs used in the 95 are not required as both will sound the same.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on June 4, 2012 at 10:39:43
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 How do you figure that? To be fair, is there an Ess Sabre on the other end of the signal with a similar configuration? If not, then no it will not sound the same, and shouldn't take an all out balls to the wall setup to hear it!

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on June 5, 2012 at 06:27:04
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 "HDMI is an excellent low cost digital interface, when used with Oppo the more expensive Sabre DACs used in the 95 are not required as both will sound the same"

This makes no sense at all.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on June 5, 2012 at 23:47:45
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 Sorry, should be the Oppo 93 & 95 will sound the same, when using HDMI despite the fact that the more expensive 95 has the Sabre DACS.

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on June 6, 2012 at 02:20:32
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 Kal Rubinson wrote:

"Reviewers and consumers were not flocking to HATS, so Sony has axed it from all current products. It is gone, and I think if it had been as great as the hype, it would still be around."

That was not the problem with HATS which, like similar "audio rate control" schemes, worked well. The problem is/was that each of them was proprietary so that a Sony player would not work with a Pioneer AVR and vice versa . The corollary, of course, is that still other manufacturers would not include any ARC scheme because they had to choose their compatibility.

A great example of how the lack of an industry standard cost us a useful feature.

Kal

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on June 6, 2012 at 05:17:38
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 Unusally for Kal I find his HATS post quite contradictory & silly. First he says if it had been as good as the hype, it would still be around.Then he finishes off by saying, how a lack of an Industry standard cost us a useful feature.He surely means both HATS & ARC and he has never heard HATS fully implemented on a Sony combo(has posted never listened to a Sony receiver) yet says HATS works well ?because Stereophile will not review AR receivers prefering overpriced not as good pre-pros Integra/Onkyo. The Sony combo is great,real High End sound without the high cost.The post IMO is nonsense.Further more I find a Sony player far better than an Oppo 93 which has very poor BD sound compared to that from the Sony BDP-1000 ES

 

RE: Oppo vs Sony, posted on June 6, 2012 at 05:30:57
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 Sony introduced his proprietary HATS and Pioneer his PQLS. There is no industry standard for an audio rate control protocol.

 

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