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OPPO DIDITAL BDP-83SE with enhanced audio

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Posted on November 7, 2009 at 07:31:20
Acesn8s
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 OPPO Digital is about to introduce a special edition of its BDP-83 universal player, modified with 32-bit ESS Sabre DACs on the multi-channel and stereo analog outputs. The product is described in an ESS ad in December's The Absolute Sound, which also contains a "biggest bargain going" review by Chris Martens of the stock version. Unlike the introduction of the base model, OPPO e-mailed me that there will be no limited Early Adoption Program, and that details should be on their website next week.

Pricing has not been announced, but there is informed speculation at the OPPO AVS Forum that the SE will retail for more than the standard model's $500 and less than $1,000.

83SE in DA HOUSE!!!, posted on November 12, 2009 at 14:01:36
Ric Schultz
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 Yup, just took it apart to examine to see what is different. The "new power supply board" is just a minor revision of the old one with a few better Chinese caps and isolated grounding for the analog stage. I had already seen this board in two standard 83s but with slightly different caps, so I thought that this is what I would get.

The output board with 2 ESS Sabre DACs and a bunch of 5532 op amps with the usual Chinese surface mount signal parts and Chinese power supply caps....and some regulation using three 5532s I have yet to figure out. The DACs do run off a separate 48 meg clock. It looks like there are coupling caps in the multichannel outs but none in the 2 channel (DC?). There is a relay (the black thang) on the output of the two channel. I don't know yet whether it is in series with the output or a muting thang. Obviously, this is a way for Oppo to finally make some money off their underpriced 83. I am sure it will be better than a stock 83...but this implementation has lots of room for upgrading which has us modders salivating.

Sometime tomorrow I will A/B it with my own regular Oppo that has only the $60 Mind Blowing Baby Mod(that I am temporarily giving away free). This should be fun. Stay tuned.

Looking forward to your assessment. The Sabre DAC should make a significant difference. (nt)., posted on November 13, 2009 at 09:11:34
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 nt

RE: 83SE in DA HOUSE!!!, posted on November 13, 2009 at 05:40:35
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Could you possibly comment on any bugs you might notice? Audible "tic" sounds in the audio, for instance?

Thank you.
It's Here!, posted on November 9, 2009 at 09:25:54
RadioWonder
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 Buy it now!

How is the power board improved ?, posted on November 9, 2009 at 12:57:07
akltam
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 There is no informaiton on the analog stage except upgraded DAC. Also there is not mentioning of how the power boards are improved.

Can we assume it is still switching power supply with better parts and the best DAC with ordinary op-amps ?

Alan

Assumptions, posted on November 11, 2009 at 07:48:50
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 Can we assume it is still switching power supply with better parts and the best DAC with ordinary op-amps

Until proven otherwise, I would agree.

Regards,
Geoff
That would be a terrible waste of the DAC., posted on November 11, 2009 at 09:24:35
akltam
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 I notice that this new board is still using the electrolytic cap as output for both the dedicated 2 channel and the 8 channel.

If only you replace those electrolytic cap with film cap ...etc and you really had a player 5 - 10 times the price. Unfortunatly finding the space to put those new caps will be a problem.

Alan

Film caps can be had in small sizes., posted on November 19, 2009 at 11:49:12
orpheus
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 It is unlikely that the coupling cap needs to be more than 2.2uf, depending on the DC output of the DAC (if there is any). You might have trouble putting in a teflon cap, but polystyrene, polypropylene and polyester caps could probably fit without trouble (again, depending on how many uf you need). Even a film smd cap should work better than an electrolytic as an output cap.

My friend should have gotten his oppo SE today. Hopefully he will let me crack the hood and take some pictures.

Best,
Aaron.
Is ANYBODY making Sabre32 DAC with SS discrete output stage?, posted on November 8, 2009 at 19:19:15
Jon L
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 Personally, that's what I'm waiting for.

I suppose ModWright's current Oppo mods (with Crystal DAC) will become Sabre32 Oppo mods by default when Oppo SE comes out, and this uses discrete output stage.

Twisted Pear Audio's Sabre32 "Counterpoint" discrete output module has been in "Beta" stage forEver it seems like.

The upcoming Eastern Electric's Sabre32 DAC does have selectable tube output stage and Op-amp SS output, but still no discrete SS stage.

EVS will continue to mod Oppo SE, I presume, but still no discrete output stage, I don't believe.

RE: Is ANYBODY making Sabre32 DAC with SS discrete output stage?, posted on November 9, 2009 at 17:54:09
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 Almost every solid state class A or A/B power amp in existence (not class D) uses discrete circuits....they all sound different....from two dimensional grainy to holographic real. So using a discrete output stage is no guarantee of sound quality.

I do use a monolythic device as our main output stage. However, it is not a traditional op amp with super amounts of feedback (put any op amp number here, like a 627 or 4562 or 8620 or whatever). This device is a super high current high speed amplifier, used only once in high end audio in an over $10,000 preamp. This device does not sound like an op amp nor does it have any sound that I can hear. This device implemented with full dual mono power supplies sounds so much more 3D, analog, beautiful, extended, and dynamic than even the best op amps I have heard....and I have heard most every one of them.

Even having the worlds best sounding output stage in something does not get you great sound.....in a player there are five main areas that ALL need to be addressed for great sound: Power supplies (all of them), output stages, clock, transport and esoteric mods. I spend an hour just modding the transport in the Oppo and the difference is startling in analog out, digital out and HDMI out for sound and picture.

What is meant be modding the transport ?, posted on November 9, 2009 at 18:15:05
akltam
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 What can you mod on a transport ? Chaning caps ? chips ?

Alan

Sabre32 with discrete output, posted on November 8, 2009 at 21:41:15
Jon L
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 Wyred 4 Sound has apparently announced an upcoming Sabre32 DAC with discrete output stage and "24/192 USB input"..

All the details............., posted on November 8, 2009 at 08:25:50
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 will be announced tomorrow, Monday, November on the Oppo site. Undoubtedly, the new one will be the answer to the prayers of some but fall short for others. All I can say is that, when I used a prototype board of these DACs with ordinary opamp outputs, it was remarkably good.

See also NuForce.

Kal

RE: All the details............., posted on November 9, 2009 at 12:53:00
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 So you are saying the 83 SE comes with ordinary op-amps ?

Can you share what is it ?

Alan

I am not saying anything............., posted on November 9, 2009 at 13:52:27
Kal Rubinson
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 until I get my hands on one. At the moment, your interpretation of the available information is as good as mine.

Kal
if you want to follow the thread, posted on November 8, 2009 at 07:41:01
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 that's going to get the most attention, it's on AVS Forum and a link is below. However...

Rule #1 -- Everything oppo does is ideal.
Rule #2 -- If oppo does something that is not ideal, see Rule #1.

If you're not a frequent AVS reader or, more importantly, an AVS oppo thread reader, understand that anything anti-oppo or pro-audiophile (ironic, given the topic of this thread on AA) is frowned upon and discouraged. In these threads, there are oppo beta testers and oppo shills (a few are both) who tend to steer any non-conformists to the door. For example, Ric's comment (post #78), while spot on, is sure to raise the blood pressure of "the oppo gang". So before you go there, you may first want to take a deep

Updated DAC chip by itself is not sufficient for better audio, posted on November 8, 2009 at 02:22:03
akltam
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 Let me make it clear, I like my OPPO 83 very much. (it is a good platform for mod).

The OPPO 83 is using the CS4398 which is already a very high end dac. Unfortunately (I should not use the word Unfortunately because it is not supposed to be an elite class model) the supporting electronics is not audiophile grade.

I open up my OPPO 83 and find the following regarding the dedicated 2 channel output:

- The direct couple audio output capacitor is an electrolytic cap 100uf 16v by jpcon TK series. (YMMV due to different time of manufacturing). This is probably a 1 cent (USD) component when buy in bulk. (if you simply replace this by a quality ac cap, you have an instance USD 1K player quality in audio performance.

(just a side note, OPPO is very clever to include a 100p bypass cap with this electrolytic cap and this improves the quality already).

- The OPPO 83 is using the NE5532 op-amp as buffer. This is more or less standard op-amp used in general level AV players. If you get rid of this by a non op-amp discrete buffer or upgrade to a better spec opamp such as OPA2604 or AD8620, you have a high class player at hand.

- The OPPO 83 is using a switching power supply. Most high end player use linear power supply. Again if you can replace the power supply for the dac board, you will have a very good player.

Since I have no information on how the audio is implemented in this SE model, I cannot comment what kind of improvement is expected.

What I am saying is that the full ability of the current 83 is not realised. If the SE model stick with the similar support electronics, I would not expect to see great improvement in audio even with new DACs.

On the other hand, if they do improve on all areas, it will be much more expensive than USD 1K. (but as a consumer, I hope I am wrong).

Alan






Low volume, posted on November 8, 2009 at 19:56:38
Robert C. Lang
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 I just noticed your post below from about a week ago on low volume results with the OPPO 83. I employ a passive linestage with a EMM Labs combo multi-channel player. I have long considered purchasing an OPPO for Blu-Ray and DVD-A. What is the the output voltage (for single ended) of the OPPO 83? What is the input voltage of your amp?

Thanks.





Robert C. Lang
RE: Low volume, posted on November 9, 2009 at 07:29:46
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 OPPO is fine for cd and sacd.

My post is only referring to the Blu ray disk Surround Sound mixed down by the player through the Dedicated 2 channel output. (I have not tested surround sound mixed down from a DVD disk).

The blu ray disk that led me to discover this is the 'Transformer'. The first one.

OPPO support replied that this is a normal behavior for surround sound mixed down by the player itself.

Note that all other disk such as CD, DAD and SACD are normal. (I do not have any DVD-A disk). I suspect DVD-A disk is normal too.

If you have to rely on the mixed down by the player through the dedicated 2 channel ouput for the blu ray. (i.e. that are those blu ray disks without a stereo track itself). then you need to rethink.

Sinc we are talking a mix down from the surround sound track, I don't know how to test this as I do not have tools to create surround sound test track.

My pre-amp has a gain less than 5.

Alan






Link: Chris Martens - Editor, Playback - playback.avguide.com, posted on November 8, 2009 at 21:27:56
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 slightly higher than normal voltage [2.3V] maximum analog output levels (Oppo says many audiophiles perceive that 2.3V maximum outputs sound better that more common 2.0V maximum outputs).

Chris Martens - Editor, Playback - playback.avguide.com


Regards,
Geoff
RE: Link: Chris Martens - Editor, Playback - playback.avguide.com, posted on November 8, 2009 at 21:56:10
Robert C. Lang
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 Thank you. Theoretically, I should be fine with an Oppo driving my amps without an active pre. It will be interesting to see if modified Oppos significantly alter output voltage.

Robert C. Lang
bdp-83SE, Nuforce, Ayre, Lexicon, Theta, posted on November 10, 2009 at 13:35:01
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 Robert - not to belabor this or find reasons to delay your purchase, but in addition to the Oppo BDP-83SE, there is also to be the Nuforce Version of the SE, which is not yet out, but is to be a further refinement of the SE done with full cooperation with Oppo. Then, there is to be an Ayre version of the BDP-83, and also a Theta Digital version, in addition to the already announced Lexicon Version. All these are done with Oppo's blessing. I have never seen this kind of thing happen in audio/video before(except maybe the early Philips/Magnavox CD player), but it is a strong endorsement of the basic machine itself by quite a few pretty respectable industry types.

Now, with your analog signal path, I would think Lexicon and Theta would be of no interest. But, the Nuforce or Ayre version might be better still for analog than the plain SE. How much so, we will not know until someone credible hears and reports on them. I believe that the Nuforce mod can simply be done to a BDP-83 SE, because the upgrade price includes the -83 to -83SE upgrade plus Nuforce's own additional enhancements. Details on all these are obviously sketchy. It is not known whteher the Ayre will be sold as a mod, like the Nuforce, or as a finished machine only. Probably, only the latter, but you never know.

Obviously, there are also the small modders, too. But, that is less of a known quantity, with potential warranty issues, etc. No disrespect intended.

I'm with you on this, posted on November 11, 2009 at 11:38:48
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 I was thinking of buying the BDP-83SE, but now seriously considering the NuForce.

RE: bdp-83SE, Nuforce, Ayre, Lexicon, Theta, posted on November 10, 2009 at 14:07:27
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 Thanks for the info. I had seen the Nuforce future offering. This (and the others might be worth the wait, although I would like to move on this calendar year.

Of course, multi-channel is key. I'm wary because most of these mods will take a perfectly capable two channel/multi-channel machine and then castrate it down to a two-cchannel retro. I hope Oppo will take measures to not allow this to happen

Robert C. Lang
RE: bdp-83SE, Nuforce, Ayre, Lexicon, Theta, posted on November 10, 2009 at 15:33:01
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 I think your fears are off the mark. Oppo's SE is clearly aiming to improve Mch as well as stereo audio quality. The Nuforce starts with that (separate Sabre DACs for both stereo and Mch in the SE) and improves from there. I think everybody else will have the same idea, because there is a clear market niche all are focused on: Blu-ray with top quality analog audio. And, Blu-ray is first and foremost a hi rez Mch medium in audio terms. SACD and DVD-A/V are a bonus for many.

It is hard for me to imagine anyone, certainly no audiophile, buying the Denon or Marantz universal players with bloated prices at this point, although the mysterious $3,500 Lexicon revamp of the BDP-83 approaches that level. It would not surprise me if the Ayre did not also approach the Denon's price. The Theta-reworked BDP-83 is slated to be about the same $4500 as the Denon.

Of course, none of this matters much to me. I am quite happy with Mch HDMI and my stock BDP-83, which is a substantial improvement over the Oppo 980 I had been using for 18 months or so for SACD and the occasional video. Now, Blu-ray is stunning on the BDP-83, probably unequaled. DVD video is as good as it gets. And, SACD is as good, better in fact than I have ever heard it; not to say there may not be better still, such as your own Meitner/Placette combo.

I am a huge Oppo fan boy, at this point. The company in mid-recession, no less, is really becoming a legend and selling their new player like hotcakes. As I said once before, if they can continue to offer the performance they do for the price they charge, they might rule the world some day. Very clever, these Chinese.

It would not surprise me if the Ayre did not also approach the Denon's price., posted on November 10, 2009 at 17:20:25
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 It will exceed Denon's price substantially. OTOH, it is not a clone of the Oppo in the same sense that the SE or NuForce versions are.

Kal

RE: bdp-83SE, Nuforce, Ayre, Lexicon, Theta, posted on November 10, 2009 at 17:11:43
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Another thing I will be on the look out for is that the surround channels (C, LR, RR) are not given short shrift to the stereo channels. They should be equal in every way to the audio quality and build quality of the left and right channels. I have seen at least one mod that, in fact, did not disable surround channels, but these channels did not benefit from the upgrades given to the two stereo channels. The audio topology and build quality for all channels should be completely identical (not just dacs).

Your are fortunate that Mch HDMI is above the hi-rez fray.

Robert C. Lang
RE: bdp-83SE, Nuforce, Ayre, Lexicon, Theta, posted on November 11, 2009 at 08:17:52
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 Oppo's architecture is to use an 8-channel DAC for the Mch side and a separate stereo DAC for a dedicated stereo output - a total of 10 outputs. The stereo may be slightly purer, but one should use only the 8 Mch outputs for Mch hookup, not mixing the 2 dedicated stereo. It is doubtful there is any difference between the 8 Mch outputs in terms of quality. I would expect Nuforce to continue that.

RE: Link: Chris Martens - Editor, Playback - playback.avguide.com, posted on November 9, 2009 at 13:23:50
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 Robert - Unless Oppo/Nuforce is replacing the internal volume control in the SE version, it's not a good idea to use the Oppo directly into an amp using only its internal digital volume control. It's a simple digital affair that truncates least significant bits with a corresponding loss of low level detail. Oppo's BDP-83 recommendation is not to use the control at a setting below 80.

So, I would check that out with Oppo/Nuforce and if it has not changed in the 83SE, be prepared to route it through your Placette attenuators for volume control.

RE: Link: Chris Martens - Editor, Playback - playback.avguide.com, posted on November 9, 2009 at 18:00:04
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 FYI, I offer an analog volume control in the Oppo directly before the output stage. This volume control adds nothing in series with the signal and only a switch and resistor between the phases when in use. This is the most transparent volume control possible. This 6 position switch is mounted on the back of the Oppo and has 6db of attenuation for each position. This way you can set the basic level with the analog attenuator and use the digital volume control via the remote to trim the level down a few db if needed. This way there is no loss of bits and running an amp direct this way will sound better than Placette or anything.....super transparent.....also our output stage will drive headphones directly this way too.

Absolutely, posted on November 9, 2009 at 14:50:25
Robert C. Lang
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 ***be prepared to route it through your Placette attenuators for
volume control.***

That would be the only way I would do it. Sorry that I confused the issue a bit. I had a concern when about a week ago Alan mentioned that he had "low volume" issues with his 83. This prompted me to ask about the output voltage of the 83 as well as the input sensitivity of his amp. At the time it sounded like he may have been using a passive line stage (like me) and that the 83 was outputting lower than the normal 2 volts (single ended) or his amps had input sensitivity close to 2 volts or greater (like some of the amps on the Nuforce website [some of which would work poorly with a passive line stage].

As it turned out I had not read Alan's post closely enough and it was a false alarm. Alan only had the low volume issue with a stereo mix down from the surround sound track by the player through the "dedicated 2 channel output". Otherwise, there is no volume issues with discrete two channel and discrete multi-channel mixes.

My Placette will accomodate 3 multi-channel analog sources (including the EMM Labs hook up), so I have room for expansion. The Placette does a great job and no way would I bypass it.

Robert C. Lang
RE: Absolutely, posted on November 9, 2009 at 18:38:11
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 Sounds like you are all set, Robert. The SE is definitely the way to go, unless you want to spend $4,500 for a Denon or $6,000 for a Marantz in Universal machines or $2,200 for a Pioneer Blu-ray/DVD. Those might have slightly better analog than the SE Oppo for your Blu-ray viewing pleasure. But, I doubt Blu-ray will make much of a dent vs. SACD's via your Meitner in your leisure time allocation.

RE: Updated DAC chip by itself is not sufficient for better audio, posted on November 8, 2009 at 07:23:41
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 Have you performed any of the mods... if so what were the results?
Everything matters, don't forget to tweak your placebos!
RE: Updated DAC chip by itself is not sufficient for better audio, posted on November 9, 2009 at 07:53:45
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 Yes, I have performed some mod. But I am planning to go back for more.

The mods are along those lines I mentioned.

- Output cap mod. I replaced the output cap to Wima. It was a big change to the good side. The problem is that you may not have too much space for those more exotic cap. The oPPO 83 does not have too much height.

- Output stage: This is under planning. I am thinking to go for upgrading the op-amp first and then possibly removing it all together with output transformers. I read that some professional modder has done this already with output tx.


- Power supply. The capacitors used on the switching power supply are at best industrial type. (many axcon, jpcon and not even standard nichicon). I have upgraded them to Panasonic and Nipon chemicon low ESR type. I also upgraded the voltage rectifier to those very fast and soft recovery types. The first stage rectifiers are those IN4xxx ones and they are upgraded by MUR. To my surprise, the original rectifiers after the transformers are HER203 type which is already fast and soft recovery types. But those caps, urh! I first don't believe upgrading the cap at the first stage right after rectification but before the switching will make differences. But I was wrong. I added a screw type BHC 220uf 500V there. That gives me the biggest improvement when modding the power supply. After all these I will consider building a linear power supply for it some time later down the track and see if it does make differences.

I also upgraded those power cap on the DAC board as well.

Other mod include hardware mod for the all code for DVD and Bluray.

The mod is not over yet.

Alan



RE: OPPO DIDITAL BDP-83SE with enhanced audio, posted on November 7, 2009 at 17:07:02
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Check Oppo website Monday and following.Oppo Digital

Sabre DAC

Hopefully some strong lower priced competition for the Sony 5400, posted on November 7, 2009 at 11:26:48
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 Maybe even better sounding?
If the high-end could get lower priced...it might help with SACD...hopefully it's not too late..


Rick
It's all about the music!
"until they are clearance priced -TELARC any memories?", posted on November 7, 2009 at 15:32:16
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 Much of what is sold on the SACD format is overpriced to me, due to it's content...there are almost NO titles I would/have boughten during the past couple years...I am not a huge fan of Classical music, and as such, to me SACD is pretty much Dead.
I don't see SACD surviving much longer if they don't spread back out into other genres...just my opinion....

It's already been 10 years since SACD 1st was offered to the public.
During this time period, it has very well been shown that the "masses" don't want to spend much $$ for music..as look to what is happening to the CD format...

The less expensive/highest quality players will be the only way this format can be saved..and I doubt that will do it anyways, since CD has lost such a market itself.

I never said that the 5400 was overpriced, I said it would be nice to get lower priced competition...


Rick


It's all about the music!
RE: Hopefully some strong lower priced competition for the Sony 5400, posted on November 7, 2009 at 13:51:22
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 A bit of long term thought might be called for? Is constantly looking for
cheaper products(including listing the cheapest places to get SACDs at least for now)
wise in the long term? Does any one really think the Sony 5400 is overpriced?? Who first gave us SACD? My early Sony players listed
for $5,000 and $3,500. I also own the 5400 and the OPPO, both upgraded.
Where can most people go and see and listen to both and perhaps return
them the next day if not happy? Where we might be headed is ????? We are
not even spending those savings on all the SACDs we really want until
they are clearance priced -TELARC any memories? Expensive and cheap are
simply relative.... Comments?

RE: Hopefully some strong lower priced competition for the Sony 5400, posted on November 7, 2009 at 12:08:35
Acesn8s
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 During the eight months since the original BDP-83 thread opened at AVS Forum there have been over twenty-four thousand (yes, 24,000) posts. A number have been by videophiles getting their first exposure to SACD through the OPPO; typically, they purchase DSOTM or somesuch and then seek advice on where to obtain more high rez discs.

The original Sony single layer disc model was a disaster. Perhaps this back door approach will rekindle the spark we felt back in 2001-2003.

RE: Hopefully some strong lower priced competition for the Sony 5400, posted on November 7, 2009 at 12:18:46
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 And for the SACD crowd, an exposure to all that BR has to offer.


Rick
It's all about the music!
I hope..., posted on November 7, 2009 at 08:11:47
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 ... they will have a trade-up problem :)

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