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Why are Siltech cables sooooo expensive?

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Posted on June 21, 2010 at 06:17:53
Jagdeep
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I would love to try'em but...they cost so much !
Do they bring significant improvements to the audio chain?

Advise appreciated

 

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RE: Why are Siltech cables sooooo expensive?, posted on June 21, 2010 at 07:33:41
jimmyjames
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Cables prices in the high end have no bearing on reality or normal cost accounting models. Siltech has their fans. I am not one of them. After waiting 2 months for one of their $1000 cables. I got something that looked like it was put together and terminated in somebody's basement and it made my ears bleed. It went back to the dealer. There used to be some mumbo jumbo out there about how they got started and silver impurities in copper or vice versa. Whatever. You could probably audition some from the Cable Company if you really wanted to or some other on line etailer with the brand. I have done both of those things many times in the past and it saved me tons of money.

 

RE: Why are Siltech cables sooooo expensive?, posted on June 21, 2010 at 07:48:59
oldmkvi
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I second the Cable Co. I bought Monster Sigma 2000, and Sigma Retro Gold at half price.

 

Cable Compant, posted on June 21, 2010 at 09:38:26
Jagdeep
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Thanks guys.
I've bought stuff from CC before.
I'm in far far away land (Singapore) and loaners are a nono.

Looks like I'll have to pass on trying Siltech.

Cheers
Jag

 

RE: Why are Siltech cables sooooo expensive?, posted on June 21, 2010 at 10:00:49
becketma@yahoo.com
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Because "people" are afraid to buy the "wrong" cable and use price as an indicator of "quality".

Remember, for some people, spending $1K is like buying going to BurgerKing.

Best from Tucson
Bob
"He (R.M. Nixon) was a foul caricature of himself, a man with no soul, no inner convictions, with the integrity of a hyena, and the style of a poison toad." H. S. Thompson

 

Because some people are willing to pay for them., posted on June 21, 2010 at 11:38:50
Al Sekela
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Outrageous prices are part of the luxury goods market definition. There is no more point in worrying about cables you can't afford than worrying about luxury watches, automobiles, and designer clothes.

To find out if such cables really do have superior performance, you would have to find a rich audiophile, who owned some, willing to experiment with your system. The manufacturer's marketing gobledygook can be safely ignored, as their pricing confirms their strategy.

 

RE: Why are Siltech cables sooooo expensive?, posted on June 21, 2010 at 13:13:09
Bar81
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I tried the top of the line Siltech ICs and SCs and they were very far from neutral. However, if you are looking for warmth and sweetness they should be on the short list.

 

Absolutely true, posted on June 21, 2010 at 19:03:10
Mike K
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And if they aren't selling well enough, RAISE the price!

MK

 

And that's why they're all so rich and so successful, posted on June 22, 2010 at 12:45:15
Sordidman
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Preying on poor helpless, bamboozled, audiophiles....




"Asylums with doors open wide,
Where people had paid to see inside,
For entertainment they watch his body twist
Behind his eyes he says, 'I still exist.'"

 

I've been thru a lot of cables, posted on June 23, 2010 at 12:29:12
jimmyjames
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over the years and I personally do not think you are missing anything. But, I know how it is when you have an itch to do, buy or try something and you can't for whatever reason. I usually head off to a pub instead.

 

RE: Why are Siltech cables sooooo expensive?, posted on June 25, 2010 at 04:43:43
Gerry E.
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IIRC, one of the members of the Hong Kong Tube Audio Club (HKTAC) cut open an expensive Siltech cable and discovered cheap wire inside a very fancy outer jacket! IF that's true, what a scam!

Gerry

 

RE: Why are Siltech cables sooooo expensive?, posted on June 25, 2010 at 13:15:54
Crazy Dave
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There are lots of counterfeit Siltech cables out there from China. Are you sure he was disecting a real Siltech?

Dave

 

RE: Why are Siltech cables sooooo expensive?, posted on June 26, 2010 at 10:29:38
Dr.Phil
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It cost a lot due to good marketing. We value what we perceive to be worth the money spent. You could make a beautifully built cable, with the best fittings and trim and charge $24,000 and if marketed correctly to those who could afford them they be worth the $$$$.

Sonically our they worth it that type of money no and I have spend some serious money on cables after a certain point your splitting hairs or really your idea of what you like to hear.

Your passing a signal no more or less, I know design can make a difference, but once done right then what? Change the name, change the fittings, use more expensive parts to justify cost, but will they sound better?

I had one power cord that I tripped on and the end pulled loose at the male plug, so I had to take the plug off and when I looked at the cable was just good copper, not much to look at to be honest, this power cord cost $600.00.

So I know what your friend means when he said cheap wire, the most expensive part of that power cords was the end connectors which were Wattgates.






PJB

 

RE: Why are Siltech cables sooooo expensive?, posted on June 26, 2010 at 10:39:29
Dr.Phil
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They play into the audiophile fears that something is always better, and if you pay more, it has to be better.

I been in this for 30 years, and I played that game, worried all the time of what I should upgrade next and if I do god will speak. Well I found that is not true, all I did was chase my tail and spend money year over year.

I had great systems, then ruined it, then had to start over. Now when I get the itch I go to a audio store and listen, come home and say no need to upgrade.

In reality for me now to upgrade I would not have the funds to do so in this age off ultra high-end costs. So I worked with what I have and man it sounds great.

I improve my room and that made more of a difference than any piece of gear did. I purchased several sets of tubes and by switching them I can alter the sound more that any cable could.

I am now waiting for some Bremer 12ax7, so once I receive them I will try them in place of my Tele's and see if they work with my McIntosg C2300 tube preamp.

Small costs can give you huge returns without having to keep buying new gear. Only thing I might buy at some point is a pair of Quad speakers one brand I have liked but never owned.
PJB

 

RE: Why are Siltech cables sooooo expensive?, posted on June 27, 2010 at 19:58:03
Gerry E.
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"There are lots of counterfeit Siltech cables out there from China. Are you sure he was disecting a real Siltech?"

After I posted my message, I thought someone might bring this up. The "dissection" happened quite a few years ago. I would guess as many as 10. I think this was before the counterfeit cables started showing up. Of course anything is possible.

Gerry

 

RE: Why are Siltech cables sooooo expensive?, posted on June 27, 2010 at 22:17:32
becketma@yahoo.com
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If you have access to a the peer review journal "Nature" you'll find a decades old article "Prospect Theory" by Kanahaman and Traversky showing a Sigmoid curve response to risk.

Plus it seems as if consumers sometimes use price as an indicator of quality, especially when the outcome of a purchase cannot be ascertained a head of time.

Best from Tucson
Bob
"He (R.M. Nixon) was a foul caricature of himself, a man with no soul, no inner convictions, with the integrity of a hyena, and the style of a poison toad." H. S. Thompson

 

RE: Why are Siltech cables sooooo expensive?, posted on June 28, 2010 at 09:46:08
Dr.Phil
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Read that.

The physiological make up of us is very easy moved into direction by what we hear or read over and over becomes truth, be it truthful or not. You see it in current politics, a lot towards Obama and his past, his religion, his name etc.

It is easier too follow than to become informative of the facts, so today 30 second sound bites become all the facts some need to make up their opinion on a subject. Where real scholars will tell you "you never stop learning" and of course your opinion and beliefs change with the added knowledge and experience.

In audio for many years reviewers held sway as being the guru's and the their reviews that implied was something is always better, I remember the knock on ARC was why buy it in a few months they will make another version that is superior to the one I just purchased and the reviewer would say so, so you buy version a,b,c etc.

So as the hobby grew the myths became fact, and during the peak years audiophiles were always look for something better even when they just purchased a new piece of gear, the guy at my store would always take me back to listen to a system that was x-amount of $$$$ more, and I go wow! Then I started planing on how to afford that system.

Then the second reinforcement came from the audio review magazines that this new product was so much better than the old model X. So chasing the tail started. I knew philes who went through systems like socks, it was never good enough, they learned to look for what was wrong, they wanted to find a flaw be it real or not.

They change the gear, call me and say I never heard nothing like this, 6 months later system in flux again.

Some gear today is a work of art visually, but that does not mean it will sonically sound better then a piece of gear where its exterior is not built to such high artistic standards which really added very little to the sound quality. But if that buyer values the sound with those ultra looks well he is right to spend is income on it, he or she perceives its value.

In the end, you have two different buyers, one like most of us has to really watch how we spend our money, then the other buyer who can afford 6 figure systems.

Cables makers knew they be in a no lose position, because very cable will react differently to any component that is attached to. The outcome is an unkown.

This is not to say some did not really research how cable designs impacts the signal, but at some point they figured it out, then where to?, we have to stay in business, well good marketing, making them much more expensive, thus the perception that cost equals quality.

Then the small hobbyist started making cables and selling them. One look at Audiogon and you will see many cables makers besides the major players.

I have no issues with cable makers or electronics manufactures for that matter, but the cable makers have slid a lot of spin in as fact, but some things have and will improve as time marches on as far as electronics goes, but there is no holy grail, work with a system and built it to what you enjoy hearing, or what you feel is correct reproduction.

How many pictures I see of good gear setup wrong, with no room treatments, speakers pushed into corners or against furniture to just fit them into a room, I always say why spend that type of money then to that with the gear. They never hearing what they paid for.

The bigger issue also is most of us are not electronic engineers, so our knowledge is limited to trial and error (gaining experience), and reading reviews. So we have to depend on those we feel know more than us. We have no facts to combat their claims.

I read once when someone who really did have a degree and posted some facts and the anger and backlash against them was unreal by those who bought into the myths and just closed their minds and did not want their beliefs challenged or threatened.

The Pengea power cord is a good point at $79.00 some felt it was as good as anything they owned costing much more. No can't be! Its rubbish worse than a stock cord! The other extreme would be the its the best power cord in the world.

Well in some system it could sound better on a piece of gear better than the $3,000 one did, or it could add to a system by just replacing the one one power cord a certain piece of gear. You just don't know till you try it. That is a fact.

Once your system gets so good any change will be noticeable if you have an ear for it. I get the same unknown results when I switch out a pair of vacuum tubes to another brand, I never know what to expect as far if I will like it or not, and the way I do judge now is not to prejudge anything because you never know.

Example.

The PS Audio AC12 one guy wrote it was awful on this CD player, on mine this is where it works he best. Go figure. I like it better there than on the amp. The amp is where most say it works the best!

Telefunkens might be the cats meow in one system and so so in another. So when others ask what the best 12AX7, I would say it depends on your system, on mine this is what I like, my opinion carries not more weight than that.

But today with the internet the information is out there to find, but 20-30 years ago we had limited information sources, mostly from the review magazines and their advertisers. The knowledge we gained back then set up our beliefs on audio and gear.

Audio is a great hobby, but at some point stop looking and enjoy what you have. 99% of the people in the USA don't have what we have invested in a audio system, that makes us special, and we all love music of various forms, which also makes us special.

We shall pass this way but once!



PJB

 

RE: Why are Siltech cables sooooo expensive?, posted on June 28, 2010 at 14:51:27
Crazy Dave
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I have only been aware of this recently, but I do not know how long it has been going on. A quick internet seach found references as far back as 2004.

Dave

 

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