- as Thatcher found in Britain... - dave c 13:35:40 07/02/09
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- In Reply to: RE: Does anybody else see a correlation here? posted by castironandtubes on July 02, 2009 at 09:33:41
... relatively poor people will vote for the frauds of "choice" and tax cuts; tax cuts they don't earn enough to get.
The scrabbling for "self reliance" or one more dollar in your pocket is an ugly sight as people choose to have less leverage over working conditions.
In some circumstances, where an economy has stagnated, this can be the painful birth of a new and better day, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
- RE: Does anybody else see a correlation here? - Awe-d-o-file 11:07:11 07/02/09
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- In Reply to: RE: Does anybody else see a correlation here? posted by castironandtubes on July 02, 2009 at 09:33:41
Demographics: More "plain folks" and shittier restaurants such as corporate fast food and all you can stand buffets in the red states vs more urban, health conscious, gym membership types with more income and healthier restaurants in the blue states is a big part of it. How does average age compare between the two?
ET
Question "Authority", the mainstream media sucks - Go Independent and hold BOTH parties accountable instead of just the other guys!
I need music to help forget the reality of today
- It's fascinating... - mkuller 10:21:10 07/02/09
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- In Reply to: RE: Does anybody else see a correlation here? posted by castironandtubes on July 02, 2009 at 09:33:41
...the correlation between the uneducated poor and voting Republican.
There was an article in the SF Chronicle about one of the poorest counties in the state voting strong Republican.
The irony is that the guiding principle of the party is self-reliance and this county takes more state money to pay welfare recipients than any other.
Obesity correlates with being poor and less educated. Fast and processed food are cheaper and easier to find, but are nutrition-poor and colorie-rich.
Two other factors are a sedintay lifestyle - sitting on the couch all day and night playing video games and watching the TV.
And no PE in school.
Edits: 07/02/09
- Yes, Blue states are wealthy states and have fewer obese residents. - Norm 10:02:27 07/02/09
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- In Reply to: RE: Does anybody else see a correlation here? posted by castironandtubes on July 02, 2009 at 09:33:41
It is a spurious relationship between voting Dem. and being obese as wealth explains both voting Dem. and not being obese. Blame fast food outlets. It is curious that the wealthier the state, the more it supports Democratic presidential candidates. This starts only in 1988. I have sought to explain it but so far have failed to get the data.
- RE: Yes, Blue states are wealthy states and have fewer obese residents. - Tom Brennan 14:46:36 07/02/09
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- In Reply to: RE: Yes, Blue states are wealthy states and have fewer obese residents. posted by Norm on July 02, 2009 at 10:02:27
"It is curious that the wealthier the state, the more it supports Democratic presidential candidates."
Not so curious. The wealthier states tend to have a working class that's better educated, higher paid and politically organized and active; stronger unions in other words.
EVERY union member I know voted for Obama and the Democrats, we got the vote out too.
- Yes, but until 1988 many of those states voted Republican. - Norm 17:16:06 07/02/09
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- In Reply to: RE: Yes, Blue states are wealthy states and have fewer obese residents. posted by Tom Brennan on July 02, 2009 at 14:46:36
Someone is obviously voting Democratic in wealthy states more than in poor states. Perhaps it is more wealthy individuals who are altruistic or who are voting on social issues rather than economics. If I ever find the proper data, I will seek to find out what hypothesis is true.
- Yes, but until 1988 many of those states voted Republican. - Norm 17:16:06 07/02/09
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- "This starts only in 1988": well... - dave c 13:41:26 07/02/09
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- In Reply to: RE: Yes, Blue states are wealthy states and have fewer obese residents. posted by Norm on July 02, 2009 at 10:02:27
... as I have said before, I consider that the whole of western politics lurched to the right as soon as Thatcher and Reagan got down to business.
This made many centrists to look at the "left wing" party (ie Democrats) in a better light as their traditional party of choice (right wing = Republicans) sailed off over the edge of Planet Wingnut.
Many of the centre will be quite appalled by the "no such thing as society" attitudes once the glossy façade of "self reliance" or "choice" begins to crack.
- Well, don't forget the conversion of the South to being Rep. & the NE to being Dem. with Reps. rejecting - Norm 17:18:57 07/02/09
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- In Reply to: RE: "This starts only in 1988": well... posted by dave c on July 02, 2009 at 13:41:26
Rockerfeller Reps.
- There is only the illusion of choice...............only the illusion of Freedom - Cleantimestream 14:27:32 07/02/09
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- In Reply to: RE: "This starts only in 1988": well... posted by dave c on July 02, 2009 at 13:41:26
when it becomes to expensive to maintain this illusion ............then Americans will see the brick wall @ the back of the theatre..........of their minds.
"The Sound of One Hand Clapping is Crashing by Design" HKM
- "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." (Goethe).... nt. - feet's too big 04:27:11 07/03/09
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- In Reply to: RE: There is only the illusion of choice...............only the illusion of Freedom posted by Cleantimestream on July 02, 2009 at 14:27:32
NT.
- Looks like the time is here. - Dave Mester 23:45:35 07/02/09
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- In Reply to: RE: There is only the illusion of choice...............only the illusion of Freedom posted by Cleantimestream on July 02, 2009 at 14:27:32
Watch the welfare rolls fill up now, as the corporate state has failed in its illusion-making. And man, did they spend a lot of money.
- There is only the illusion of illusion...............only the chain of Fools - dave c 23:06:30 07/02/09
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- In Reply to: RE: There is only the illusion of choice...............only the illusion of Freedom posted by Cleantimestream on July 02, 2009 at 14:27:32
Only the end of the world as we know it... and we don't care: (please convert to US voltage)
God save the queen her fascist regime
It made you a moron a potential h bomb !
God save the queen she aint no human being
There is no future in englands dreaming
Dont be told what you want dont be told what you need
Theres no future no future no future for you
God save the queen we mean it man (God save Windowleen)
We love our queen God saves (God save... human beings)
God save the queen cos tourists are money
And our figurehead is not what she seems
Oh God save history God save your mad parade
Oh lord God have mercy all crimes are paid
When theres no future how can there be sin
We're the flowers in the dustbin
We're the poison in your human machine
We're the future your future
God save the queen we mean it man
There is no future in englands dreaming
No future for you no future for me
No future no future for you
;-)
- "None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." (Goethe).... nt. - feet's too big 04:27:11 07/03/09
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- Well, don't forget the conversion of the South to being Rep. & the NE to being Dem. with Reps. rejecting - Norm 17:18:57 07/02/09
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- RE: Yes, Blue states are wealthy states and have fewer obese residents. - Tom Brennan 14:46:36 07/02/09
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