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RE: bombs in Tehran

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In Reply to: RE: bombs in Tehran posted by tomservo on June 20, 2009 at 08:23:30

well to compare bush cheney , to Obama,we will compare in four yrs,then we will see, but lets give Obama a chance,you just gotta love fox ,hannity,i mean really where do they find these people.He will do what he can to get us out o the shithole bush put us in,people act like Obama should have the USA problems fixed in 100 days the way he's nitpicked on by the right.at least we know what he's up to compare that to cheney running bushs shenanigans from his little closed off bunker world.And now that he doesnt know when to shutup justifies how lost this guy really is.Pretty sad in a good way.

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"problems fixed in 100 days " Now that is funny - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 09:46:29 06/20/09 (27)
Obama has increased our deficit and will continue to do so. He is and will continue to outspend every President in history.

Back to what I said is "funny". It's funny to hear Obama and his administration always blame failure on the previous one. He never accepts responsibility. He asked for the job, but always seems to manage to point out that he didn't create the problems we're dealing with.

He wasn't hired to finger point. He was hired to solve. After four months on the job, it's high time the new employee stopped making excuses and started living up to his resume.
- He answers to others.........merely a finger puppet like his predecessor .....................~NT - Cleantimestream 12:31:16 06/20/09 (0)
  ~!
  "The Sound of One Hand Clapping is Crashing by Design" HKM
- RE: "problems fixed in 100 days " Now that is funny - jimmycj 11:08:15 06/20/09 (6)
  And bush cheney were supposed to lead the country ,how did that work out for you,good i suppose.
  - RE: "problems fixed in 100 days " Now that is funny - tomservo 11:35:46 06/20/09 (0)
    Yeah, i wonder how different things would have been W/O 911.
  - Well, I don't think it worked poorly like you do - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 11:26:07 06/20/09 (4)
    We enjoyed a great economy for 7 out of 8 years. 9/11 wasn't Bush or Cheney's fault, and in retrospect they handled it pretty well. You probably think invading Iraq was a bad idea, and I wouldn't disagree with you, but I'm not sure I agree with you either. If they establish a real Democracy there and the people can enjoy a better system of government than what's going on in Iran right now, then you would have to call it a good idea. Interest rates dropped enough to help stimulate a responsible economy, and instead of Democratic Senators and Congressmen and Women heeding the advice about reform of Fannie and Freddie from Republicans, they said those two institutions were just fine.
    
    I see Obama fooled you too.
    - you're slipprier than a barrel of eels - dave c 14:50:20 06/20/09 (3)
      Nice how you want to have the invasion of Iraq both ways...
      The concerted attacks from the usual suspects is a chorus of empty vessels I am afraid.
      - Now Dave I am sure the vessels have rudders.................. - Cleantimestream 08:23:24 06/21/09 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: you're slipprier than a barrel of eels posted by dave c on June 20, 2009 at 14:50:20
        
        some refuse to simply steer their thinking to catch the wind................some still believe they can sail directly into the wind without tack................{read effort to learn for tack}
        "The Sound of One Hand Clapping is Crashing by Design" HKM
        
        If anyonew thinks Bush?cheney did well after 9/11, then I cannot figure what "bad" would be - dave c 13:31:40 06/21/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Now Dave I am sure the vessels have rudders.................. posted by Cleantimestream on June 21, 2009 at 08:23:24
        
        Oh, I know.... ANYTHING a Democrat president did.
        Of course, it's so obvious when you see it, the logic precise, the insight devastating.
        In this leaked photo, we see J-PM fine tuning his system using that brilliance:
        
        RE: If anyonew thinks Bush?cheney did well after 9/11, then I cannot figure what "bad" would be - tomservo 13:43:24 06/21/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: If anyonew thinks Bush?cheney did well after 9/11, then I cannot figure what "bad" would be posted by dave c on June 21, 2009 at 13:31:40
        
        Now there is a blast from the past, i can still hear "Oh Magoo...you've done it again ark ark "
        
        Jim Backus was priceless in "its a mad mad mad world" also if you know that movie and a convincing Ahoy polloi in Gilligan's Island. A Funny man.
- "After four months on the job...." - Wendell Narrod 10:19:54 06/20/09 (18)
  If he does nothing else, at least Americans don't need to cringe with embarrassment any time he opens his mouth to speak. That's a vast improvement over the previous occupant. Time will tell if he can have any accomplishments of significance. If he does, he'll win again. If he doesn't, he won't. I can live with that.
  
  -Wendell
  - RE: "After four months on the job...." - tomservo 11:42:23 06/20/09 (1)
    He is an excellent speaker to be sure but remember "the eloquence in presentation has no bearing at all on the validity of what is said"
    In fact at least historically, the best scoundrels the world has seen were persuasive speakers.
    In the case of Obama, i am concerned that after posturing as a peace oriented candidate, the inverse of Bush, that now he has expanded military spending, has adopted Bushes Time table and then added to it and appears to be expanding our involvement in other places.
    Distressing to is now his supporters who would be incandescent with rage if Bush did the same things, now "see" reasons for it all, pretty funny.
    - "the best scoundrels the world has seen were persuasive speakers": so you had better than Bush? - dave c 21:18:28 06/20/09 (0)
      Shame you couldn't get him into power.
  - That is such crap - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 10:38:38 06/20/09 (15)
    The Americans that cringed when George Bush spoke were the same Americans that said he stole the first election, that he lied to the country, who was responsible for levees breaking in New Orleans and doesn't care about black people, who greedily digest Michael Moore propaganda films, who despise Southern accents and ethnic accents, who first bought into Global Cooling and then Global Warming and who now call it Climate Change.....
    
    You know....Liberals.
    - RE: You know....Liberals. - cdb 14:42:44 06/20/09 (0)
      I'd suggest that the those labels - Lib & Conservative - are pretty much null and void. Gone with the wind like much of the straight party ticket voters.
      
      The times are too Interesting, complex, and challenging. Too many people listening to talk radio to make their opinions for them.
      
      I doubt there's even a certified decription anymore of what L and C mean these days.
    - Intelligent response. - Wendell Narrod 10:42:28 06/20/09 (13)
      I'm a Southerner. I don't believe he stole the 2000 election. I voted for him in 2004. He did lie to the country. His response to New Orleans was pathetic. Your knee-jerk response is the "crap" in this exchange.
      
      -Wendell
      - I'm a Northener - J-PMatt@Comcast.Net 11:18:26 06/20/09 (12)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Intelligent response. posted by Wendell Narrod on June 20, 2009 at 10:42:28
        
        I recognize poor speaking skills when I hear them, and George Bush was not a poor speaker. Did he mispronounce things sometimes? Yes. Did he get mind farts like the "Fool me once" episode? Sure he did. But to suggest that you voted for his re-election and at the same time tell me that his speech made you cringe....I don't get it.
        
        Also, I don't get why you insist on calling yourself a Liberal. It seems you split your ticket and you have mentioned more than trwice on this forum that you consider yourself fiscally conservative. Wanting equal rights and what you call rights over your own body doesn't make you a Liberal. Actually, you're closer to Dick Cheney politically than anyone else I can think of. And that is not an insult, by the way.
        
        I apologize for saying your post was crap. I should have just said it was not accurate.
        
        "you're closer to Dick Cheney politically than anyone else I can think of. And that is not an insult": haha nt - dave c 15:13:59 06/20/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I'm a Northener posted by J-PMatt@Comcast.Net on June 20, 2009 at 11:18:26
        
        bleep
        
        I have watched him slobber drunk during Q&A with Press {you tube} - Cleantimestream 12:47:26 06/20/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I'm a Northener posted by J-PMatt@Comcast.Net on June 20, 2009 at 11:18:26
        
        ~!
        "The Sound of One Hand Clapping is Crashing by Design" HKM
        
        You are simply not accurate. :-) - Wendell Narrod 11:31:16 06/20/09 (9)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I'm a Northener posted by J-PMatt@Comcast.Net on June 20, 2009 at 11:18:26
        
        He could deliver a speech quite well. He could not speak off the cuff at all. He was an embarrassment to all but apologists.
        
        I believe liberals are more open to different options than conservatives. That's why I consider myself a philosophical liberal. I support social justice for all and I don't want religion anywhere in my government. I see little difference between radical and fundamentalist christians and muslims. I support abortion rights and gay rights including marriage.
        
        I find being compared to Cheney as a below the belt insult. I consider him evil incarnate and, when VP, the most dangerous man in our government.
        
        Fiscally, I don't think we should ever pass a budget with a deficit. It won't happen as long as the current system exists. Special interests are simply too powerful.
        
        -Wendell
        
        Ah but Wendell............................ - Cleantimestream 12:45:31 06/20/09 (8)
        
        In Reply to: RE: You are simply not accurate. :-) posted by Wendell Narrod on June 20, 2009 at 11:31:16
        
        The real power behind the throne.......... Cheney carried more weight than Bush...........a Vice President {whom has no power in government save for breaking ties} that ordered the Air force to stand down during 9/11 .............while supposedly 19 Arab men hijack 4 jets armed with boxcutters, knives, chemical weapons and masks smuggled on board fly around unhindered in US airspace for 87 minutes. Right there is a conspiracy theory................. The greatest air force on the planet helpless for 87 minutes in their own airspace................ridiculous.
        Just as surely as one investigates the firemen whom were on site {now all dead} clearly stating they heard bomb explosions. {I heard bomb explosions in one taped episode of that ongoing tragedy}. Nevermind building 7 going down @ 5:30 that same day with witnesses CLEARLY stating they heard multiple explosions {if was only one I would consider natural gas leak}.
        "The Sound of One Hand Clapping is Crashing by Design" HKM
        
        They're everywhere...they're everywhere! - Wendell Narrod 12:54:21 06/20/09 (7)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Ah but Wendell............................ posted by Cleantimestream on June 20, 2009 at 12:45:31
        
        You need to sell your conspiracy theories elsewhere. I'm not buying and find them too ridiculous to even discuss. I know you can't resist so I will let you have the last word. Bye....
        
        -Wendell
        
        RE: "Bye." - cdb 14:30:23 06/20/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: They're everywhere...they're everywhere! posted by Wendell Narrod on June 20, 2009 at 12:54:21
        
        Well, that took several attempts to walk out the door.
        
        Sometimes, I just can't help myself. - Wendell Narrod 14:53:14 06/20/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: "Bye." posted by cdb on June 20, 2009 at 14:30:23
        
        :-)
        
        -Wendell
        
        Contempt prior to investigation will Keep a man in everlasting ignorance......~NT - Cleantimestream 13:03:27 06/20/09 (4)
        
        In Reply to: RE: They're everywhere...they're everywhere! posted by Wendell Narrod on June 20, 2009 at 12:54:21
        
        NT
        "The Sound of One Hand Clapping is Crashing by Design" HKM
        
        Is this Clark Johnsen?! - Wendell Narrod 13:07:45 06/20/09 (3)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Contempt prior to investigation will Keep a man in everlasting ignorance......~NT posted by Cleantimestream on June 20, 2009 at 13:03:27
        
        It sure sounds like his line of bulls**t. Go away, oh wise one. Go spread your gospel to the gullible and socially stunted.
        
        -Wendell
        
        SEE! More contempt! and your Ignorance.. died in 1903.... Brilliant political theorist Herbert Spencer - Cleantimestream 13:10:54 06/20/09 (2)
        
        In Reply to: RE: Is this Clark Johnsen?! posted by Wendell Narrod on June 20, 2009 at 13:07:45
        
        ~!
        "The Sound of One Hand Clapping is Crashing by Design" HKM
        
        I do have contempt for misfits that spout all the conspiracy crap. - Wendell Narrod 13:14:41 06/20/09 (1)
        
        In Reply to: RE: SEE! More contempt! and your Ignorance.. died in 1903.... Brilliant political theorist Herbert Spencer posted by Cleantimestream on June 20, 2009 at 13:10:54
        
        Give me another quote.
        
        -Wendell
        
        one quote from a former President - Cleantimestream 14:06:37 06/20/09 (0)
        
        In Reply to: RE: I do have contempt for misfits that spout all the conspiracy crap. posted by Wendell Narrod on June 20, 2009 at 13:14:41
        
        "Some of the biggest men in the United States....are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. they know there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive that they had better not speak above their breaths when they speak in condemnation of it "- Woodrow Wilson
        "The Sound of One Hand Clapping is Crashing by Design" HKM

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