 
|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
|
|
Audio Asylum Thread Printer Get a view of an entire thread on one page |
For Sale Ads |
71.50.200.200
In Reply to: RE: I hope you're done listening to that nonsense... posted by EdAInWestOC on September 23, 2007 at 06:37:04
Although I think every person in the world is one in some parameter.
Perfection is a wonderful quest if you possess the patience to do so. For most people, "really fucking good" (from this point on referred to as RFG) is enough. Turning a fifteen minute per side (+/-) experience into a 20 minute per side experience is not my cup of tea.
But we need perfectionists to assure that those who feel RFG is good enough have someone watching where that watching is of GREAT importance, the manufacturing of the LP. Sadly, those records you obsess over have not, in many, many instances, been processed with that level of perfection. Unless, of course, you never listen to anything but audiophile approved LPs.
Placing limits on anything is dangerous; placing limits that remove choices is just plain wrong.
But what do I know, I'm an obsessive/compulsive. But not when it concerns anything outside of the music. RFG is good enough for me.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
There is more medicine in a single song than any hospital.
Follow Ups:
I'm really not VTA obsessive but more of a casual user of the adjustment. I do try to get it right if I am recording to CDR but for the most part I can give a slight nudge to the VTAF before cueing the LP and that is my limit of obsession.
The real reason for my post was the passionate claims made around here by people who won't go that extra step. My point was if someone was going to make a claim about this or that pressing being great/garbage then it would be a touch more honest if they actually made that extra effort and really leveled the playing field.
There are numerous disingenuous posts about LPs being too bloated or too thin and I suspect that for the most part a fair VTA adjustment would change the results. If someone is going to make an authorative statement should we expect less?
Ed
We don't shush around here!
Life is analog...digital is just samples thereof
Can you tame the highs or lows with VTA, of course, but if they're way off, no amount of VTA adjustment will save them.
It doesn't take state of the art equipment to reveal the really great records. The same records I've raved about since I first got into this obby with a TD160 and a B&K preamp with a Van Alstine Dyna 120 amp, sounded great with my Marantz integrated and the Thorens, or the VPI HW19 Mk. 1 with the B&K and Van Alstine.
Yes, more information can be dug from the grooves with paying strict attention to every detail. I just want to hear music issuing forth from my gear...well recorded, fabulous, not so well recorded? Well that's fabulous many times, too. More info and better sound over all with strict attention to VTA is work I don't have time for, I need to listen to more records.
The point I'm trying to make is that obsessiveness is important to the obsessive. AND, that in certain situations, such as your quest for a great CDR, it's fine.
For me, however, I can't say I don't get obsessive with VTA from time to time. As I wrote earlier, I just get to a point where I say "the hell with it, play another record, Mike."
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
There is more medicine in a single song than any hospital.
maintain the fact that a one stop no adjustment VTA approach (either by choice or by limit of the gear) limits the enjoyment of the user. A lot of LPs are fairly close in the way they are mastered. From what I've read that is the way the mastering engineer wants it to be. The mass audience won't want to fool around with VTA or any such nonsense. They just want to stick the LP on and enjoy the music.
Such is the way it should be but there are very real exceptions. I'm not talking about just missing a little of this or that but a real incompatible nature and its not that the music isn't there to be enjoyed, it just requires the extra step.
Back in 1982 a tonearm was on the market for a short period of time. The tonearm was the LOCI and the manufacturer went through a good deal of work comparing LPs from different manufacturers. They published those findings with the appropriate settings on their tonearm's VTA adjustment so the end user could enjoy what they owned to that nth degree (link below...just for laughs).
While that might be a bit much for your average user and I don't even go through all the pains normally it is worth noting that the potential exists that we aren't hearing everything that there is to be had. Considering the nature of the inmates here and their willingness to spend thousands on a system it is somewhat inconsistent to ignore the VTA adjustment thing. I mean we spend thousands and then short change ourselves. It is human.
Ed
We don't shush around here!
Life is analog...digital is just samples thereof
But I do it occasionally, not so much with the Dyna, it doesn't seem to react too much to any change...but the Win sure does!
But even then I don't do it very often at all.
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
There is more medicine in a single song than any hospital.
As many know I sold my original SOTA Comet / Alpha Genesis 1000II MC combo and went digital because of my compulsive nature. I was always adjusting the VTA and spent more time doing that than listening to music.
After dialing it in "perfectly" the first few times getting maximum Goosebumps and soaking in all the magically beautiful music I was hooked! After that no LP ever sounded "correct" and I was always going "up", "down", "up", "down" again and again. I would seem I would get close going one way and then overshoot and then back the other direction. It was driving me perfectly mad. I got so depressed with the whole affair I sold my turntable and all my LPs as I could get about 80% of the sound with HDCD's and they always sounded the same.
Well this time I promised myself NO VTA obsessiveness , I have left my Music Hall mmf-5 at the factory VTA setting. If I ever use a different brand of cartridge I will set it once and forget it, I hope! I am scarred to try another brand of cartridge through.
I love my LPs and I just want to play them, not twiddle with my turntable.
"Music is love"
Teresa
| FAQ |
Post a Message! |
Forgot Password? |
|
||||||||||||||
|
||||||||||||||
This post is made possible by the generous support of people like you and our sponsors:
Top of Page ]
[ Contact Us ]
[ Support/Wish List ]
[ Copyright © 2013, Audio Asylum, all rights reserved ]
[ Take5 ]
