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In Reply to: RE: ADC Pritchard wood tonearm currently running on ebay... posted by Mr Blue Sky on February 10, 2017 at 02:52:20
The message posted in this link is insulting as well as revolting. However I admit that I in part am to blame for originally placing the ad in an excellent category. I should have been more careful. The tonearm was bought about 15 years ago to a previous audiophile who used it regularly. I never set up this tonearm. Now that I am older I cannot do a restoration process. The previous buyer had a full refund from me, with no objection from me whatsoever. However upon closer inspection there is no water damage and no warping in the arm. The bearings apparently do need some cleaning as all the metal parts and in fact the whole tonearm is almost 60 years old. Moreover the play noticed on that junction on the headshell is from age. What was he expecting audiophile grade stuff and ready to play? He was pissed off because he did not want to spend so much money on it. So inconsiderate! The arm is so rare that it took me a long time to find one in any shape. It should definitely be restored as my new ad stated but once this is done it can sing again with very high compliance cartridges such as Peter Pritchard originally designed. I pride myself in being honest with integrity as my feedback in Ebay shows and am an appreciative audiophile with concerns to collectors but I cannot tarnish my integrity and cannot permit this kind of vicious manifestation shown to me be as acceptable. The new owner will get a respectable rare vintage product for a cheap price, not perfect but good and once restored capable of good things. Hope this is clear now to the reader viewing this.
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Then why not simply disclose the fact that the arm is damaged? Your current ad hints at the facts, but all it does is theoretically protect you from another return while also failing completely as an honest depiction of the actual condition of the item. I have seen the arm and my friend still has the photos! Must I get them from him and clog up the bandwidth on this site by posting them in order to expose you? I told my friend that he should leave you negative feedback, but he refuses. Not his style to punish people in that manner. I might have done differently.FACTS:
Your original ad for this arm states: "Beautiful!", "Excellent condition." Photographs of the item depict all in detail, but the cracked area and the side of the arm with the ding in the wood mysteriously remain undocumented. Interesting.Here is the original ad:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ADC-Pritchard-Wood-tonearm-Extra-rare-Beautiful-/272532485181?ul_noapp=true&nma=true&si=zf7xPKNI6J8JjrMD86NuBygXd30%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557While the previous auction that my friend won was running, he contacted you and asked:
"Can I assume the bearings rotate silky smooth with no dead spots? Also, is there any wiggle play in the headshell or does it connect firmly? Thank you!"
You replied: "All looks good. Well taken care of."This was blatantly dishonest. He specifically asked you about the play in the headshell and you dodged directly answering the question while implying that all was well. Very sneaky and very seedy!
If you attempt to deny any portion of what I have said here, I will obtain a screen capture of that correspondence as well as the photos of the arm and post them here for all to see. All I am asking is that you be honest about the items that you're selling. Why wouldn't you be? Why make someone's life more difficult? Turntable builders and enthusiasts are a relatively small community. Many of us are not extremely wealthy and are humble hobbyists with a passion for music. Give us a break.
Edits: 02/11/17
Wow!
-Wendell
I have read gibberish many times before but never anything quite as convoluted as that.
So you never used the arm? You just bought it to sell it?
Mr. Blue Sky is doing the users of this forum a favor. That is what a community does - warn each other of pitfalls.
Just what is it you are doing? Other than exposing yourself to more ridicule than if you had kept your fingers away from the keyboard.
This is your new copy:
"ADC MODEL 40 PRITCHARD WOOD TONEARM
Classic and unusual vintage wood tonearm designed by the late Peter Pritchard of Audio Dynamics Corporation. A fine vintage tonearm specifically made to handle his high compliance cartridges.
In good condition. However please note that there are some spots in the aged wood as well as some discoloration on the metal. The arm comes with original plug-in headshell, interconnects and mounting platform. Only thing missing is antiskating weight compensator which can be obtained readily from other types of tonearm with a string attachment, otherwise complete.
This is a very rare and unusually hard arm to obtain in any condition. I have also listed separately an extra plug-in headshell on a separate auction.
Please note absolutely no refunds given on this item since this is specifically a collectable piece and its performance is not guaranteed since it is more than 50 years old now. No warranties of any sort given. The new owner should restore it for optimum performance if this is needed in any way."
-- You single out this point:
"please note that there are some spots in the aged wood as well as some discoloration on the metal". And only this and the fact that the arm is missing a part that you claim isn't difficult to source.
This practically implies that the discoloration thing is the only known defect.
You finish at the bottom with what amounts to a standard disclaimer on any older vintage gear.. fair enough.. but zero mention of play with the headshell.. which could very well render the thing unusable forever.. and the bigger question is as the poster above noted.. who saw the thing is: IS IT indeed CRACKED or split?
The fact that you initially listed it as "Excellent" wounds your credibility as a seller enough that your use of the words "insulting.. revolting.. vicious.." i.e., false indignation don't mean a thing.
And the 40 year old thing doesn't mean shit. People sell FR, Otofon, Zeta, Technics, SME arms of that vintage or older and they still are obligated to be truthful about its condition. Especially with something as precise as a tonearm.
I get that bearings will need love on any arm of this age.. but is there an issue with the HEADSHELL and is it the wand CRACKED?
I'd trust a member of our community who's handled the thing over you and your one time ramble to clear your eBay reputation.
Yes, it is indeed cracked. We inspected it with a 20x jeweler's loupe as well to see that it was definitely, indeed, a crack and not just grain in the wood. He told the seller this and the seller was aware of it before he relisted the arm. The arm was back up and running on ebay before he had even received it back or refunded my friend's money, which I personally thought was pretty cheesy. My friend contacted him and asked for an immediate refund since tracking information had been submitted and the arm was already up for auction again. The seller refused and made him wait until the arm arrived. So the submitted tracking info was good enough to re-sell the arm, but not good enough to refund my friend's money. Another thing worth mentioning is that this guy's packing job was pathetic. Zero effort whatsoever to protect a $200 purchase, box barely larger than the arm itself. When my friend returned it, he repacked it, double boxed for safety. Seller didn't even thank him. If you look at the first photo in the auction listing and magnify the area right in front of the counterweight, you can see the crack/split in the wood on the top of the arm tube. Again, I can also see if I can get the pictures from my friend and post them here if you all would like to see them in detail.
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