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In Reply to: RE: Hmm, not persuasive to me. posted by Rick W on November 29, 2015 at 11:29:54
I think the greatest advantage of the Eagle over the SDS is its ability to be controlled by the RoadRunner tachometer in order to maintain accurate platter speed. To me, that constitutes a substantial advantage. Next to that, the only other major advantage is cost. The Eagle and RoadRunner combination represents a cost savings of $641 compared to the much more expensive SDS. Based on those two advantages alone, I don't understand why anyone would be promoting VPI's SDS over the Phoenix Engineering components. However, to each his own!
Best regards,
John Elison
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I have to agree that the CLEAR advantage of the Eagle over the SDS is the cost and the ability to hook up the roadrunner for constant correct speed management. Do VPI tables run at accurate speeds? Absolutely. Do they drift over time due to belt wear, movement of stand alone motor from platter, bearing wear, etc.? YES. Does the Roadrunner/Eagle combo control all of that? YES. Fantastic product.
that cost difference would sway me -- assuming the Phoenix products work as well with my SAMA as an SDS would.
Both the Phoeinx and the SDS are great products. The $ difference between the two is considerable, but VPI has been in business for 40 plus years, therefore, they will be around to support the SDS for many years to come. The audio business is a real tough business and the survival rate is difficult. Something to consider.
This argument is often used, but how important is it really for a system that costs only $759. The warranty will protect you against manufacturing defects and without any defects, most electronic components usually last a very long time. Therefore, even if the component breaks 10-years from now, it will probably be more cost effective to buy a new one rather than have it repaired.
How many audio components have you had to repair over the years? I have probably spent one hundred thousand dollars on stereo equipment over the years and I've never had to pay to have a component repaired. The very few components I've owned that have failed all failed during their warranty period. Therefore, I don't think your argument holds the slightest bit of weight for something that costs only $759.
Best regards,
John Elison
The fact is that a lot of money is spent in the repair of audio gear. Some repairs are normal wear and tear, and others are components that failed out of warranty after only a few years of use. I know a lot of DIY'ers who can pull off simple repairs that save them good money. But the repair of a digital speed controller? Nope, that's going back to the manufacturer.
I'm a dealer for both products, and both products are fine. VPI has more years in business than Phoenix has months, but VPI had to start somewhere too. I wish Phoenix much success.
I find these devices interesting. In the case of VPI, their controller works well but does no monitoring of speed.. Phoenix does, but they can't correct an error, they can only compensate after the error.
"Hope is a good thing. Maybe, the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."
Good point. But you also have to consider the age of the SDS, IIRC it's pushing 20 years and the parts used in 20 year old designs have a way of going obsolete.
One of their customers just got bit by this on his PLC controller which might only be 5 years older than the SDS:
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