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Hello,
Has anyone here had experience with the PTP Solid12 turntable? It's a table based on a re-worked Lenco L75. I'm curious to know how good the speed stability is, basically, does it take a while to warm up, the the speed drift over time, etc.
Also, would love to hear your impressions overall on the table.
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My TD124 took about 3 minutes to stabilize from cold, but my Lenco was stable within 10 seconds or less.
Hi,
If you're worried about speed, I saw this vid recently.. He did use add-ons for his diy Lenco from Phoenix Eng.. I never heard or tried these products myself personally, so just passing along info.. YMMV.
A sample track demo of his set up:
http://youtu.be/T7WEJj5n_7k
The Phoenix Eagle and tach are a great addition to any turntable, works well with my Lenco.
My Lenco takes about two revolutions to get to exact speed with the Eagle, even from dead cold.
Make sure you tell whoever you buy the Eagle from you are using a Lenco motor...you will need the 25-watt model.
Hi,
I actually have a TD-124 for around sixteen years now. It's been in storage for five years and most likely the main bearing is now damaged since there was an accident on the platter when we were moving stuff.. There's no feedback yet if any TD-124 users tried the Eagle 25W psu, but I need to spruce up the table first and repair any possible damage done. The prob though is I can't really do much extensive diy anymore due to my health thing, so I'd have to find a local who could do a really good overhaul after I get to move out from condo living.
Anyway, I might also consider a full PTP deck when funds allow, most likely with the Roadrunner tach and Eagle 25W psu.
Some designers though like Charles Hansen (Ayre) eschew DDS, since he believes it creates more problems by polluting the ac lines with out of band noise compared to a fully analog supply, even with all the attenuation via ferrite chokes and other passive methods. But maybe Phoenix's implementation is an exception to the norm..
Presumably you've read this?
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
Yup, as well as the new review in this month's Stereophile.
you should buy one to audition and report back! Seems to be a solid deal. You've got a (semi-) idler, so you know you're on to a good thing, no?
If I didn't have my 401, I'd be interested in hearing a PTP.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
I use L75 components on a PTP top plate mounted in a 65-lb slate slab. I've replaced the Lenco bearing with a much more robust after-market bearing, but I use the OEM idler arm, idler wheel, and (dampened) platter, and of course the OEM motor. Speed stability is a strong suit of any good idler design. That is essentially a non-issue with my turntable. I don't know what you mean by "warm-up". It takes about 5 seconds (my guesstimate) to come up to speed from a dead stop. This is the least expensive of my 5 turntables, but it is in constant use. A great buy, IMO. I think the Solid12 uses a Corian plinth, as compared to my slate one. Whether Corian works as well as slate is the only aspect of the Solid12 of which I have no experience.
The PTP turntable uses a Lenco motor which the designer rebuilds, adjusts, etc. I would expect no need for "warmup" with the PTP.
With my own Lenco/PTP I don't hesitate to listen to the first record of the day, don't think about warming anything except the seat in my chair.
(Obviously, I do warm up the electronics.)
Most idlers I know, Garrard 301/401, Thorens TD124, the motor takes a while to warm up and stabilize in speed. I was assuming the case was the same with the Lenco motors.
Not had that warm up experience with the 401 I have or the 301 I used to have. But they had been thoroughly service, I grant you.
Big J
"... only a very few individuals understand as yet that personal salvation is a contradiction in terms."
I've never used either a Garrard 301 (had one for restoration but sold it) or a Thorens TD124, so I cannot comment on their need for warm-up, except to say that I don't know why it would be. The TD124 is not a "pure" idler, because it uses a belt to drive the idler wheel, i.e., the motor drives a belt. Thus it could be subject to some of the issues associated with belt-drive. Perhaps someone else could comment; there are a few owners of each of those two tt's hereabouts.
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