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In Reply to: RE: Those who still use moving magnets probably don't have any experience with low-out moving coils. posted by John Elison on September 28, 2015 at 13:59:06
I try not to make up stuff out of thin air.
"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
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You must obviously have a different opinion. That's okay! You are allowed your own opinion. It's really not a problem. However, I am also allowed my opinion and I don't believe there is a single person on this forum who has compared the sound of MM cartridges until they found one that sounds like a Denon DL-301II. Of course, I could be wrong. Anything's possible. ;-)
Only LOMC currently in my "stable" is the selfsame Denon DL 301 II. I also have a Soundsmith Zephyr, Grace F9E, and Shure/Jico V15VxMR -- all MM/MI types -- on separate JMW armtubes, and 3 more on SME III armtubes. if I want to hear any "real" LOMCs I can always visit my audiobuddies. But I haven't heard one I like well enough to buy. And it ain't the money :-)
Hi Dave,
I'm so happy you are enjoying your high-output cartridges. I know what you mean about the DL-301II. I moved on from that one many years ago.
Of course, you have to have a topnotch phono stage for low-output cartridges. I also discovered that many years ago. Otherwise, you can't appreciate the superior sound quality of low-output moving coils.
Best regards,
John Elison
Yeah, John, my Aesthetix Rhea phonostage is such a loser. A mere 10 tubes, 3 inputs adjustable from the remote, only $4K or so, don't know why I've hung on to it for so many years, Or the Aesthetix Calypso it plays into :-)
Well, you also have to have a topnotch cartridge. Your DL-301II is not exactly state-of-the-art. Try a Denon DL-S1 or an Audio Technica ART7. These are two of the very best low-output moving coils available. I have a friend with a VPI HRX turntable with 12-inch 3D tonearm and an ART7 cartridge. He uses an E.A.R. 864 phono preamp and his system is one of the best sounding vinyl rigs I've ever heard. He also owns a DL-S1 cartridge as do I, and that one sounds awfully good, too.
Since money is no object for you, why don't you buy both of those cartridges and see if they don't change your mind about low-output moving coils.
Best regards,
John Elison
But thanks anyway.
This is an interesting exchange. I wish I could offer a resolution to the argument, but can't. My phono stage is a cj TEA2max (i.e. meets John's criteria for electronics), and I have a Cadenza Black, which I hope all will agree is a very good LOMC cartridge; and Shure V15mr, 2M Black, and AT150ANV, which I hope all will agree are all very good MM cartridges. I love 'em all. And every one of them has strengths and weaknesses.
And out of yur MM/MIs, which one would you say sounds closest to your Denon?
I wish I had a good answer. All of them appeal to me and I take turn playing favorites. The MI Soundsmith Zephyr is currently top dog but it won't be long before I have a hankering to hear the others, all of which sound more alike than different to me. They sound like music, unlike the typical LOMC that sounds to me like ... sound. All that detail ... yuck.
Need I say to the LOMC fanciers, YMMV/IMHO, etc., etc.
Oh, I agree with your new reply.
It's just not what you wrote in your original reply.
I don't see data to support the notion that MM users don't have any experience with LOMC. It's certainly not true of me.
Cheers!
"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
Maybe you're the only one! ;-)
Don't get your feathers ruffled.
Feathers in fine shape, thank you.
Wanna bet I'm not the only one?
"If people don't want to come, nothing will stop them" - Sol Hurok
> Wanna bet I'm not the only one?
No! I'll take your word for it. ;-)
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