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OK Dual 1019 cosmetics are fine but it is going to need some work to really be a decent player. That said what would you put into it $$$$$$ and what is your thought on the TT.
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This was my first turntable as well. It was in the walnut tapered United Audio base and equipped with a Shure M44E cartridge. It served me well for over 15 years.Sim
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First, I totally endorse Dual 1019s as one of the finest auto stackers; especially for 45s and 78s. Don't forget that 45s were designed for stacking; with their label area thicker than the grooved area....
Headshell/cartridge carrier problems arise when the springy contacts and headshell connections oxidize. Clean and no probs for another few years....
Now for the headliner. Any auto table should work if you "simulate" a record playing; even without any AC power supplied. So, when you are at a flea market, try this. Put your hand on the platter and spin it, continuing any cycle the player might be in the middle of completing. Keep spinning the platter, assuring the cycle is complete. If nothing happens after a few spins, it might be okay to then try the auto function. Pretend you are stacking a record or two if the player is a stacker. Swing the steady bar over the imaginary discs. Now, switch to start mode and spin the platter. If there is any record "drop" sensor, manually switch it(Garrards and V-Ms need this done to continue their auto cycle). Keep spinning the platter and the table should move the arm and drop to begin "playing" all by itself. Holding the arm, keep the spinning going manually and now move the arm to the end of the record area. The table should magically lift the arm, swing it away and drop to rest; plus shut itself off, if you keep spinning the platter.
If any auto function does not work right, the mechanism will, more than likely need disassembly, lubing then reassembly by an experienced table techie...likely to cost $100. or more. We are talking total disassembly, service then reassembly. Current values of working 1019s stateside usually do not exceed $200. for a good worker. There is no such thing as a $450. Dual 1019 in the USA unless you have a good imagination. There is also no such thing as a $450. Dual 1219 stateside, yet....
http://vinylnirvana.com/vintage-turntables-for-sale/dual-1019-turntable-fully-serviced-solid-walnut-plinth-475-plus-shipping/Maybe it's a mirage.
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"We should look beyond the measurements." ~ From 'Engineering for Poetry Majors, 3rd Edition'
"Show me on the doll where the bad math touched you." ~ Vinyl Cop
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Plinth was $200+ guys...
The other "guy's" estimate was off by more than a factor of 2. My upward estimate for the price of a fully refurbed 1019 was actually a little low, as it turned out, and I provided documented proof, unlike the other guy, who was just spouting off.These efforts to show that I was wildly wrong, or that I was imagining things, look both comical and pathetic.
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"We should look beyond the measurements." ~ From 'Engineering for Poetry Majors, 3rd Edition'
"Show me on the doll where the bad math touched you." ~ Vinyl Cop
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It is not your imagination that I challenge; at all...It is the crazy prices asked by imaginative sellers.
How long will a $450. Dual 1019 stay for sale ?
The beauty of this hobby is everyone does not like the same things. One member loves direct drive, for me I love the 1219 idler drive. I sold one back in February and had seller's remorse. I contacted Bill at Fix My Dual and had him to build another one.
The 12X9 series has been said to be some of Dual's best turntables. The 1019's platter is a couple inches smaller than the 1219. An LP will overhang by a couple inches.
Bill is a wonderful guy and great to do business with. He's a country boy, very down to earth. He has the largest parts inventory for Dual turntables in the US. He is also a wood worker by trade and makes his own plinths. The dustcovers are specifically made for him. He is a one man operation who does great work. I would highly recommend anyone who is looking for any Dual turntable to contact him.
If I did not have two quartz-locked direct drive Technics (both are 78/45/33 capable) in my studio, I'd be happy using a Dual on a daily basis. In fact, I do own a Dual 1219, a 1229Q and an Elac Miracord and will not get rid of them. I have put many hours on all three of them and they're very capable performers. That said, I would not put a lot of time, effort and money into refurbishing a 'basket case' Dual.
Here's an example of a Dr. Dual-refurbished Dual 1019. This isn't an endorsement. I'm just sayin'. http://doctordual.ca
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"We should look beyond the measurements." ~ From 'Engineering for Poetry Majors, 3rd Edition'
"Show me on the doll where the bad math touched you." ~ Vinyl Cop
The Dual 1019 was my first turntable when I was in the 9th grade. Sounded pretty damn good with the Shure M55E(?) when new. I wouldn't put a lot of money into it now, though, the arm and headshell can be troublesome on older Duals. I've worked on a few Duals the last few years. The best sounding one was a 1219 with the auto mechanism removed and a Linn Basic arm installed. I couldn't get rid of the noise/hum until I removed the Dual arm. Even rewiring didn't improve it. The headshell had some grounding issues as well.
My experience is different than Poinzy's, I thought the idler drive was the best part of the 1019. If you can get it going with some minor adjustments and some lube here and there, it's worth the effort.
TR
... as I still have it and just might want to restore it.
Later Gator,
Dave
I've had Duals serviced by a Dual specialist in Canada. Others have successfully refurbished and serviced their own Duals. There isn't a pat answer to your question about worthwhile investment.I'm guessing, completely refurbed, the 1019 isn't worth more than $450. I know a professional recording engineer who uses the 1019 for audio restoration projects. But he has his own tech who maintains the turntable.
The nicest thing about the turntable: the extremely nimble tonearm. The worst thing about the turntable: the thoroughly outdated idler-wheel drive.
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"We should look beyond the measurements." ~ From 'Engineering for Poetry Majors, 3rd Edition'
"Show me on the doll where the bad math touched you." ~ Vinyl Cop
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I respectfully disagree. The idler wheel technology is the best thing about the Dual. Not quite a Lenco, but my Dual definitely has that rhythmic, propulsive drive and slam that you don't motice is missing from most even mid level expensive belt drives until you hear a properly operating idler. Contact Bill and fixmydual. He can put a 1019 into perfect shape for you. The money you spend on the table and refurb could not buy you anythingnew half as fun to listen to.
Glad you like your idler wheel turntable. I don't know what "propulsive drive" and "slam" are. I know what rumble is, because I measure it with sophisticated equipment.
Belt drive and direct drive beat idler-wheel drive in the rumble department by a significant margin, all else being equal.
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"We should look beyond the measurements." ~ From 'Engineering for Poetry Majors, 3rd Edition'
"Show me on the doll where the bad math touched you." ~ Vinyl Cop
I know what drive and slam are, are, and what music is, because I listen with my ears.
That's great. Like I said, have fun with your turntable.
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"We should look beyond the measurements." ~ From 'Engineering for Poetry Majors, 3rd Edition'
"Show me on the doll where the bad math touched you." ~ Vinyl Cop
WEll looks like unless I run into someone near by the table is not worth investing money in. What a disapointment. But I thank you all for your help this is a very knowledgable and helpful forum.
Much appreciated of your time and experience
I find the highly complex Dual automatic idler-wheel turntables really aggravating, especially when it comes to looking for lubes and spare parts. Anti-skating cams can simply split with age. I've replaced a couple of those, but it isn't fun, especially with a benign tremor.:oYou can knock things out of adjustment just by moving the turntables around, I find, even when there is otherwise nothing wrong with the units.
The nearest competent Dual specialist in "my area" is 180 miles away, in Canada. The other guy is in Iowa ("FixMyDual"? I can't remember). "Dr. Dual", in Canada, told me to my face that he doesn't like to ship Dual turntables because stuff gets knocked out of adjustment so easily. So even an experienced tech has noticed the stability problems.
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"We should look beyond the measurements." ~ From 'Engineering for Poetry Majors, 3rd Edition'
"Show me on the doll where the bad math touched you." ~ Vinyl Cop
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I've spent some effort and money into mine, I'm glad I did, it sounds great. Sorta good that people talk them down, it keeps them affordable.
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