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Hello AA!!
This is my first post, and I am needing help understanding the different types of the Shure V15. If my memory hasn't failed me, I think there is a Type V cartridge.
I have a Dual 1219 that I am looking for a V15, but I do not know enough to know which type would be the best combination. I would like to know the differences between the different types, their strong/weak points, what should I be looking for before making a buying decision, and where would I source the cartridge?
I know they are hard to find. The majority of the V15s can be found without a stylus. Would you recommend buying the cartridge and then buy a stylus? Is there another cartridge available that would be as good as the V15?
Any help you can give me will be very much appreciated!
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Several people posted not to get IV.
I owned II, III conical and elliptical, IV, VMR and now have a VxMR.
The IV isn't as bad as people post, and several have used the JICO SAS stylus to good effect.
I think if you can get III with new stylus or VMR with good JICO, you will be happy.
I owned 1009SK, 1218 briefly and have other tables.
Thank you all for your replies, thoughts, and insight.
First of all, my audio system is listed under Inmate Systems.
The trouble is finding a Type III. There's a Type III-LM, not sure what the LM means. For a Type III cartridge and stylus, you're looking at $350 without shipping. As much as I would like to have a Type III, I think it may be time to look at something else.
Right now I have one sled that has an M97xE mounted. I have an extra Denon DL-110 that I may use. Another cartridge I am considering are the Sumiko Pearl. I have read more positive reviews than negative. I am not a Grado fan, but I am open to other choices.
If anyone has experience with Sumiko Pearl, I would like to read your thoughts/impressions.
As good as these were the risk/reward curve is no longer in ones favor IMO. Get something modern. My friend had one on a TT he bought and I said that's a nice cart (Type III) it looked good, nice tip on the stylus but played like crap.
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Here you go....http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_kw=Shure+V-15+VxMR
Over the years I bought them when they were new. Its been a long time now but to be honest the Shure V15 was not my favorite MM cartridge. The V15 III was the best of the breed, IMO, but I never owned or lived with any of the V15 V models. Back in the day, I loved the V15 III and when the V15 IV came out I could not wait to try it out...what a waste of money!
The difference between the V15 III and V15 IV was not subtle.
I owned several ADC XLMs and those were in use in between different Shure V15s, some AKGs and many other cartridges I owned. I tried a lot of cartridges (too many to remember). I was looking for a transparent and dynamic cartridge that could play music well.
If you want to expand your search for a quality cartridge that will work well in that arm you should consider some other cartridges as well.
When it comes to MM cartridges no list is complete without the Grace F9 models or the ADC XLM models. I have heard a number of the Grace F9s and have owned several of the ADC XLMs. My personal favorite high compliance cartridges are the ADC XLM models.
The ADC XLMs are MI cartridges and are some of the most musical high compliance cartridges ever made. The Grace F9 cartridges may not be a perfect fit for a high compliance arm due to their medium compliance, but I had to mention them due to their excellence.
It is hard to find ADC XLMs with original stylii that are usable. The ADC XLM was a very high compliance cartridge and its suspension can fail as well as the usual worn stylus problem.
I doubt that you will find a Shure V15 that will outperform an ADC XLM. The V15 V series may be a worthy contender but personally I would take the XLM and not look back.
Good luck finding a suitable cartridge,
Ed
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across (I think) each of the phono input RCAs. An MF polystyrene of about 200-250 pf will do.
This will flatten the HF resonance. And, if you can hear above 8khz this will be worth doing. (IIRC - another way might be to lower the impedance to about 22 - 25k ohms. )
Owned a V15/III for a long time, bought many replacement styli and then went over to the original Garrott Brothers' parabolic styli and had two of their micro-scanner tips.
IIRC the change to a 47Kohm/450pf total load / a proper two zero-crossing- point alignment / a GB fine line stylus had the same order of improvement.
I forget how the DUAL 1219's 'head-shell?' works but you might be able to get such an alignment with it.
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Tim Bailey
Skeptical Measurer & Audio Scrounger
I case you're getting a little overwhelmed, and if you're determined to get a Shure V15 cartridge, I'll second what Road Warrior said. The Type III is a fine choice.I owned one; I never saw any reason to upgrade to any of the later models. I never heard anything negative said about the Type III, and I never read any bad reviews about it.
With the decoupled counterweight on that Dual 1219, and provided you get a suitable stylus, the Type III will probably track a waffle iron. It's just, to me, it's not really a Shure V15 Type III cartridge without the original Shure stylus in it. *shrug*
Addendum: Don't go out and get a $1000 phono preamp and God-knows-what other crap 'The Absolute Sound' might recommend to go with your cartridge. I can only imagine some of the magical-thinking advice you're going to get about this. Beware.
I used the Type III cartridge with the inputs on my Denon amp and it worked FINE -- smooth performance, nice and quiet. As long as you don't use a Pyle preamp, or something crummy like that, you should be golden.
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Welcome!
Poinzy has already given you good advice that any high compliance cartridge is suitable.
However, without knowing your budget, it is hard to advise. If you like the Shure sound, I would recommend the M97xE and if you want to upgrade the stylus, go to JICO (see link but change search term for N97 SAS..). I have one and like the stock sound (depending on your cables and phono stage loading, some people find it a bit "dull"). The V15VxMR and M97xE have had the frequeuncy response modified to the Shure "Audiophile Curve". Basically the response drops about 5dB between 5kHz to 10kHz then stays approximately flat out to the maximum value specified. The sound can be a little ponderous on bass heavy material, but on acoustic jazz and classical, it is not offensive at all. It is very much a taste thing.
Shure have long since discontinued the V15 models. I personally like the original Type V best. NOS styli should be avoided because the condition of the suspension depends a lot on storage conditions. Shure themselves warn about suspension ageing in their knowledge base.
You will be lucky if they still meet specifications after being kept for say 20 years or more. The bodies are going for "silly" money on Ebay and unless you get a body cheaply, the cost of a good stylus (JICO SAS High Grade type is a superb performer - see link) will add at least an additional USD167 + shipping. I have a Shure V15Type V body and use the JICO HG stylus - it sounds sublime, but for the same money (USD 320+), you could also get a MC cartridge such as the Denon DL301/II or AT150MLX if you want to stick with MM). One warning though - if you can't adjust arm height accurately, I would avoid the SAS or other advanced line contact styli and stick to elliptical styli.
Regards Anthony
"Beauty is Truth, Truth Beauty.." Keats
My personal choice is the V15V MR but the xMR version unless you prefer warmer sound. The cartridge is high compliance but the Dual arm is fairly light and quite good for its time so the combo should work especially with the stylus brush down which acts like a shock absorber(it's not just a cleaning device). Styli are available from JICO in Japan. They do change the sonics to a more modern style but are very good and highly regarded by most V15 enthusiasts.
I think I can get you started, but the subject is vast and I'm sure if you google search, you will find more than you really need!
The V15 series was Shure's assault on the SOTA for high compliance MM cartridge technology. The primary aim was to achieve the highest "trackability" possible at the lowest tracking force possible. Shure equated doing that with making the "best" cartridge. Over the course of more than 20 years, the V15 evolved dramatically. The first of them to become cult items/standard setters, IMHO, was the V15III. It started with an elliptical stylus, and transitioned to a hyperelliptical late in its development. For its time, it sounded fantastic, but some found its rising treble response a bit glaring. The V15IV added the dynamic stabilizer to cope with record warp but kept the V15 house sound. (Some listeners, though, thought it a bit dull on the top end compared with the III.) The V15V came in several flavors. IIRC, Its first iteration had a hyperelliptical stylus attached to beryllium cantilever. The dynamic stabilizer was retained. When the hyperelliptical was replaced with a Microridge stylus the suffix MR was added. Additional improvements (thinner cantilever tube and side deflection protection for the cantilever in addition to the dymamic stabilizer) yielded the last version, the V15VxMR. It wasn't long before the cantilever material became unobtainable and the entire V15V series went off the market. To complicate matters, Shure had a marketing arrangement with Radio Shack under which some V15V models were sold as V15RS cartridges. These appear to be the first version, hyperelliptical stylus/beryllium cantilever.
Hope this helps.
They had a stylus replacement program which I used, uhhh, more than once. Initially a new stylus was $25. When I got my first replacement, it was a HE type, my second replacement was a Microridge! stylus that's still in use to this day when I plop that cartridge on.
Those V15IIIs paired well with the Dual turntables. At various times I had the 1219, 1229, and 1249 all paired with the Type III cartridges.
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Thank you both for your thoughts and insight.
So, which type would be the best combo for the 1219? If I am unable to find a cartridge/stylus, would it be feasible to buy a cartridge and then the stylus. Would any stylus work on any cartridge type?
I'd go with a V15III on the 1219. They frequently pop up either here, AudioGon, or Ebay. Unless NOS, I'd go with a JICO replacement stylus, so no problem buying a body, then the proper stylus. The combination will sing beautifully on the 1219, giving you a very strong taste of what sound was like "back in the day". Styli, by the way, are not generally interchangeable between the V15 types. IIRC, there is a chart showing which styli go with what carts. Again, google is your friend.
I don't have a III on hand. PM me if you're interested in a V15IV which I bought NOS and only put about 100 hours on before mounting a V15VRS on my Grace 707 tonearm. It should work fine on the Dual.
Any high-compliance cartridge would work well with that turntable. I used Shure V15's when I was a kid. My father's the resident Shure expert in my family. He just told me to avoid the V15 Type IV.As for hunting around for aftermarket styluses for cartridges no longer in production, I have to admit I'd have a hard time choosing between that task and having burning bamboo shoots shoved under my fingernails, so I'm probably the wrong guy to ask for stylus recommendations.
Others will, no doubt, be more helpful.
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