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Hi All - have been searching for an answer and not sure I have found it.
I have a TD-124 with the normal platter (not the non-magnetic one). There is a bunch of information about Decca cartridges and the negative effect of using them on TD-124s with my platter.
Does anyone have specific experience for a Decca London? I am told it has a less strong magnetic pull - do I risk it on my TD-124? Do I stand a chance if I add an additional platter mat to add distance?
Really want to try a Decca but don;t want to damage it in the process.
Any guidance is much appreciated.
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I used a Decca Mk V on a steel platter TD-124 back in the late 1970s, with no problems whatsoever. There was some magnetic attraction between the platter and the Decca but all that was required was a slight adjustment in tracking force. The sound was glorious. The Decca and Thorens were a great combination sonically. Prior to the Mk V, I had a Decca 4RC but I can't recall whether I ever tried it on the Thorens.
Thanks Salectric - much appreciated.
Tasker...with so many very good cartridges, why would you want to sign up for problems??
Sure it is a PITA, but there are a few things that it does soooo well. It is like a lover that drives you nuts during the day, but when night falls it sends you to the moon :). Ok sometimes, but when it does it is exhilarating.
dee
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True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
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As I remember, the best sound I ever heard was many, many years ago
Decca on a Linn, into Audio Research preamp and amp, into Infinity Servo Static 1A speakers. Wonderful!!
I was given one, and i use it on an Technics SL1000 at times. it is the most dynamic cartridge i ever heard. but It sometimes just refuses to track things :). but when it tracks a record things just materialize :)....it can provide incredible surprises. Could i live with it forever and never have LOMC in my system, absolutely no. Would i be poorer not having experienced it,...absolutely.
dee
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True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
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Thanks Penguin,
And this is why I want to try it - there is just so much folklore out there about the Decca magic, wanted to try it.
Same happened when I first got the TD-124 - and it has been magic ever since.
Forgot how good it is. Till it will get on my nerves 😳
True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
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Mine looks like that and, even after a trip to Warren Gregoire, sounds kinda tinny and emphasizes surface noise (mounted on a damped JMW 10.5i armtube FWIW). I stuck some rope caulk (Mortite) on it, which helped a lot, but honestly it can't hold a candle to my Grace F9E among other carts. It does have its plusses, but to me the negatives outweigh them.
Maybe it does not like the VPI :) Mine does not sound tinny at all, as a matter of fact quite robust on the EPA 250. Not a champ on depth resolution, soundstage is quite wide, not as high as some of my other carts. Height is a thing with my speakers, If you ever heard the soundlabs you know what i mean. Some things are full height and some things may be squashed in height, this is sorta in between :)With the SP-10 loosing its annoying habit of not keeping speed once in a while, it is quite pleasant till it is not :) (thanks to Bill Thalmann) ....once it looses contact with the groove...forget it :) I will play it a bit longer....
dee
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True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
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Edits: 05/02/15
In fact he told me when I bought the cart from him that my arm would be pretty much ideal for my Decca (Super Gold Mk. VII) since these carts sound best in damped unipivot arms"Tinny" is overstating the case. I can't find the right word. Suffice to say that the Mortite pretty much fixed the problem. Maybe it caused another one. Incidentally, I have never had tracking problems with this cart except on warped records but can't find my way to liking it for long, though I've tried often enough. It probably needs a new owner.
Edits: 05/02/15
Some things are fine, some things are just horrid. It skips on records that my other cartridges sail through without a hiccup. High modulation will cause it to collapses into a distorted mess :)...but when it works it s nice. It is the most dynamic cartridge i ever heard by far, things can be explosive jump at you from nowhere.
The bass is not even, it is lumpy and sometimes uncontrolled but very lively as well. Not the most neutral cartridge for classical , Fun on rock, great on Jazz, and unbelievable on percussions, On piano it gets the attack but fails on the decay. It is really a mixed bag. there are days i marvel at it, and then there are days when i just had enough and put in a LOMC and say ah yeah, i understand :)....
dee
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True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
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#thumbsup - nice
Looking forward to the experience.
Good question :-) Seems kinda like a special scotch - has to be enjoyed at least once.
but not on TD 124...One thing for sure it is a low rider. And it has magnetic poles on the bottom. look at the pictures on the link provided. You will be fine if you measure the tracking force on the record surface. I would use a thicker mat. the pull force has a quadratic relation with distance. With a thin mat you may have rather large changes in VTF with different record thickness. If you use a 5mm delrin or other thick mat the variance is additive to the 5 mm that you already have.
dee
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True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
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Thanks Penguin - I have spent a ton of time in that thread - up to page 65 no :-).
The point around mat thickness is interesting and an angle I am trying to pursue. There is a logical limitation to the space I can add based on the spindle length. My Jelco arm has a good bit of vertical movement capability so that won;t be an issue. But the magic seems to be in determining how much space I need to add.
As suggested, I will measure VTF at record level - I McGyver'ed a way to do this on my existing setup which only adds 1mm above record surface.
It was also my understanding that magnetic pull decreased dramatically as distance was increased - just was not sure mathematically how real that was.
As you see from the discussion it is quite non linear with distance :)
dee
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True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country.
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Thanks PAR, this helps.
The information I have been digging up has been all over the map, but I think it is more of an issue for the earlier Decca cartridges and not as prevalent an issue for the London series, as you have mentioned.
Much appreciated.
I used a Decca blue in an International arm on a TD-124 for some years during the 1970s without problems. I can't guarantee it will be OK for everyone but that was my experience.
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